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[[xenharmonic/MOSScales|MOS scales]] are formed from a segment of the [[xenharmonic/periods and generators|generator-chain]], or genchain. The first note in the genchain is the tonic of the 1st mode, the 2nd note is the tonic of the 2nd mode, etc., somewhat analogous to harmonica positions. | [[xenharmonic/MOSScales|MOS scales]] are formed from a segment of the [[xenharmonic/periods and generators|generator-chain]], or genchain. The first note in the genchain is the tonic of the 1st mode, the 2nd note is the tonic of the 2nd mode, etc., somewhat analogous to harmonica positions. | ||
For example, here are all the modes of Meantone [7], using ~3/2 as the generator: | For example, here are all the modes of [[Meantone]] [7], using ~3/2 as the generator: | ||
|| old scale name || new scale name || sL pattern || example on white keys || genchain || | || old scale name || new scale name || sL pattern || example on white keys || genchain || | ||
|| Lydian || 1st Meantone [7] || LLLs LLs || F G A B C D E F || __**F**__ C G D A E B || | || Lydian || 1st Meantone [7] || LLLs LLs || F G A B C D E F || __**F**__ C G D A E B || | ||
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|| Locrian || 7th Meantone [7] || sLLs LLL || C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C || Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ || | || Locrian || 7th Meantone [7] || sLLs LLL || C Db Eb F Gb Ab Bb C || Gb Db Ab Eb Bb F __**C**__ || | ||
The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below in " | The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below in "Rationale"). **__Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive__.** There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see the critique of UDP at the bottom of this page. | ||
Pentatonic meantone scales: | Pentatonic meantone scales: | ||
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Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using [[xenharmonic/ups and downs notation|ups and downs notation]]. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale. | [[Porcupine]] [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using [[xenharmonic/ups and downs notation|ups and downs notation]]. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale. | ||
|| scale name || sL pattern || example in C || genchain || | || scale name || sL pattern || example in C || genchain || | ||
|| 1st Porcupine [7] || ssss ssL || C Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb C || __**C**__ Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb || | || 1st Porcupine [7] || ssss ssL || C Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb C || __**C**__ Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb || | ||
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F --- C --- G --- D --- A --- E --- B | F --- C --- G --- D --- A --- E --- B | ||
But if the period is a half-octave, the genweb has vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. For example, Srutal [10] might look like this: | But if the period is a half-octave, the genweb has vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. For example, [[Diaschismic family|Srutal]] [10] might look like this: | ||
F^3 --- C^4 --- G^4 --- D^5 --- A^5 | F^3 --- C^4 --- G^4 --- D^5 --- A^5 | ||
C3 ---- G3 ----- D4 ---- A4 ---- E5 | C3 ---- G3 ----- D4 ---- A4 ---- E5 | ||
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The Diminished [8] scale has only two modes. The period is a quarter-octave = 300¢. The generator is ~3/2. There are four very short genchains. | The [[Octatonic scale|Diminished]] [8] scale has only two modes. The period is a quarter-octave = 300¢. The generator is ~3/2. There are four very short genchains. | ||
Gb^^ ----- Db^^ | Gb^^ ----- Db^^ | ||
Eb^ ------- Bb^ | Eb^ ------- Bb^ | ||
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There are only two Blackwood [10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is a just 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. The lattice can be expressed using a 3\5 period Using ups and downs as before with each genchain at a different "height": | There are only two [[Blackwood]] [10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is a just 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. The lattice can be expressed using a 3\5 period Using ups and downs as before with each genchain at a different "height": | ||
E^^ ------- G#^^ | E^^ ------- G#^^ | ||
D^ -------- F#^ | D^ -------- F#^ | ||
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**__Why not number the modes in the order they occur in the scale?__** | **__Why not number the modes in the order they occur in the scale?__** | ||
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__**Why make an exception for 3/2 vs 4/3 as the generator?**__ | __**Why make an exception for 3/2 vs 4/3 as the generator?**__ | ||
There are centuries of established thought that the fifth, not the fourth, generates the pythagorean, meantone and well tempered scales, as these quotes show (emphasis | There are centuries of established thought that the fifth, not the fourth, generates the pythagorean, meantone and well tempered scales, as these quotes show (emphasis added): | ||
"Pythagorean tuning is a tuning of the syntonic temperament in which the <span class="mw-redirect">generator</span> is the ratio __**<span class="mw-redirect">3:2</span>**__ (i.e., the untempered perfect __**fifth**__)." -- [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning|en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning]] | "Pythagorean tuning is a tuning of the syntonic temperament in which the <span class="mw-redirect">generator</span> is the ratio __**<span class="mw-redirect">3:2</span>**__ (i.e., the untempered perfect __**fifth**__)." -- [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning|en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning]] | ||
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"The term "well temperament" or "good temperament" usually means some sort of <span class="new">irregular temperament</span> in which the tempered __**fifths**__ are of different sizes." -- [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament|en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament]] | "The term "well temperament" or "good temperament" usually means some sort of <span class="new">irregular temperament</span> in which the tempered __**fifths**__ are of different sizes." -- [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament|en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament]] | ||
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". To choose 4/3 over 3/2 merely for the sake of consistency would be pointless. Unlike a __wise__ consistency, it wouldn't reduce memorization, because | "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds". To choose 4/3 over 3/2 merely for the sake of consistency would be pointless. Unlike a __wise__ consistency, it wouldn't reduce memorization, because it's well known that the generator is historically 3/2. | ||
__**Then why not always choose the larger of the two generators?**__ | __**Then why not always choose the larger of the two generators?**__ | ||
Interval arithmetic is easier with smaller intervals. It's easier to add up stacked 2nds than stacked 7ths. Also, when the generator is a 2nd, the genchain is often identical to the scale, simplifying mode numbering. (See Porcupine [7] above.) | |||
**__Why not always choose the chroma-positive generator?__** | **__Why not always choose the chroma-positive generator?__** | ||
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<!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:19 --><strong>Mode numbers</strong> provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Modal%20UDP%20notation">Modal UDP notation</a>, it starts with the convention of using <em>some-temperament-name</em> [<em>some-number</em>] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely.<br /> | <!-- ws:end:WikiTextTocRule:19 --><strong>Mode numbers</strong> provide a way to name MOS, MODMOS and even non-MOS rank-2 scales and modes systematically. Like <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Modal%20UDP%20notation">Modal UDP notation</a>, it starts with the convention of using <em>some-temperament-name</em> [<em>some-number</em>] to create a generator-chain, and adds a way to number each mode uniquely.<br /> | ||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/MOSScales">MOS scales</a> are formed from a segment of the <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/periods%20and%20generators">generator-chain</a>, or genchain. The first note in the genchain is the tonic of the 1st mode, the 2nd note is the tonic of the 2nd mode, etc., somewhat analogous to harmonica positions.<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/MOSScales">MOS scales</a> are formed from a segment of the <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/periods%20and%20generators">generator-chain</a>, or genchain. The first note in the genchain is the tonic of the 1st mode, the 2nd note is the tonic of the 2nd mode, etc., somewhat analogous to harmonica positions.<br /> | ||
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For example, here are all the modes of Meantone [7], using ~3/2 as the generator:<br /> | For example, here are all the modes of <a class="wiki_link" href="/Meantone">Meantone</a> [7], using ~3/2 as the generator:<br /> | ||
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The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below in &quot; | The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons (see below in &quot;Rationale&quot;). <strong><u>Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive</u>.</strong> There are several disadvantages of only using chroma-positive generators, see the critique of UDP at the bottom of this page.<br /> | ||
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Pentatonic meantone scales:<br /> | Pentatonic meantone scales:<br /> | ||
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Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ups%20and%20downs%20notation">ups and downs notation</a>. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale.<br /> | <a class="wiki_link" href="/Porcupine">Porcupine</a> [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ups%20and%20downs%20notation">ups and downs notation</a>. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale.<br /> | ||
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F --- C --- G --- D --- A --- E --- B<br /> | F --- C --- G --- D --- A --- E --- B<br /> | ||
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But if the period is a half-octave, the genweb has vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. For example, Srutal [10] might look like this:<br /> | But if the period is a half-octave, the genweb has vertical half-octaves, which octave-reduces to two parallel genchains. Temperaments with third-octave periods reduce to a triple-genchain, and so forth. For example, <a class="wiki_link" href="/Diaschismic%20family">Srutal</a> [10] might look like this:<br /> | ||
F^3 --- C^4 --- G^4 --- D^5 --- A^5<br /> | F^3 --- C^4 --- G^4 --- D^5 --- A^5<br /> | ||
C3 ---- G3 ----- D4 ---- A4 ---- E5<br /> | C3 ---- G3 ----- D4 ---- A4 ---- E5<br /> | ||
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The Diminished [8] scale has only two modes. The period is a quarter-octave = 300¢. The generator is ~3/2. There are four very short genchains.<br /> | The <a class="wiki_link" href="/Octatonic%20scale">Diminished</a> [8] scale has only two modes. The period is a quarter-octave = 300¢. The generator is ~3/2. There are four very short genchains.<br /> | ||
Gb^^ ----- Db^^<br /> | Gb^^ ----- Db^^<br /> | ||
Eb^ ------- Bb^<br /> | Eb^ ------- Bb^<br /> | ||
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There are only two Blackwood [10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is a just 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. The lattice can be expressed using a 3\5 period Using ups and downs as before with each genchain at a different &quot;height&quot;:<br /> | There are only two <a class="wiki_link" href="/Blackwood">Blackwood</a> [10] modes. The period is a fifth-octave = 240¢. The generator is a just 5/4 = 386¢. L = 146¢ and s = 94¢. The lattice can be expressed using a 3\5 period Using ups and downs as before with each genchain at a different &quot;height&quot;:<br /> | ||
E^^ ------- G#^^<br /> | E^^ ------- G#^^<br /> | ||
D^ -------- F#^<br /> | D^ -------- F#^<br /> | ||
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<strong><u>Why not number the modes in the order they occur in the scale?</u></strong><br /> | <strong><u>Why not number the modes in the order they occur in the scale?</u></strong><br /> | ||
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<u><strong>Why make an exception for 3/2 vs 4/3 as the generator?</strong></u><br /> | <u><strong>Why make an exception for 3/2 vs 4/3 as the generator?</strong></u><br /> | ||
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There are centuries of established thought that the fifth, not the fourth, generates the pythagorean, meantone and well tempered scales, as these quotes show (emphasis | There are centuries of established thought that the fifth, not the fourth, generates the pythagorean, meantone and well tempered scales, as these quotes show (emphasis added):<br /> | ||
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&quot;Pythagorean tuning is a tuning of the syntonic temperament in which the <span class="mw-redirect">generator</span> is the ratio <u><strong><span class="mw-redirect">3:2</span></strong></u> (i.e., the untempered perfect <u><strong>fifth</strong></u>).&quot; -- <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning</a><br /> | &quot;Pythagorean tuning is a tuning of the syntonic temperament in which the <span class="mw-redirect">generator</span> is the ratio <u><strong><span class="mw-redirect">3:2</span></strong></u> (i.e., the untempered perfect <u><strong>fifth</strong></u>).&quot; -- <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning</a><br /> | ||
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&quot;The term &quot;well temperament&quot; or &quot;good temperament&quot; usually means some sort of <span class="new">irregular temperament</span> in which the tempered <u><strong>fifths</strong></u> are of different sizes.&quot; -- <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament</a><br /> | &quot;The term &quot;well temperament&quot; or &quot;good temperament&quot; usually means some sort of <span class="new">irregular temperament</span> in which the tempered <u><strong>fifths</strong></u> are of different sizes.&quot; -- <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament" rel="nofollow">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Well_temperament</a><br /> | ||
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&quot;A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds&quot;. To choose 4/3 over 3/2 merely for the sake of consistency would be pointless. Unlike a <u>wise</u> consistency, it wouldn't reduce memorization, because | &quot;A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds&quot;. To choose 4/3 over 3/2 merely for the sake of consistency would be pointless. Unlike a <u>wise</u> consistency, it wouldn't reduce memorization, because it's well known that the generator is historically 3/2.<br /> | ||
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<u><strong>Then why not always choose the larger of the two generators?</strong></u><br /> | <u><strong>Then why not always choose the larger of the two generators?</strong></u><br /> | ||
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Interval arithmetic is easier with smaller intervals. It's easier to add up stacked 2nds than stacked 7ths. Also, when the generator is a 2nd, the genchain is often identical to the scale, simplifying mode numbering. (See Porcupine [7] above.)<br /> | |||
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<strong><u>Why not always choose the chroma-positive generator?</u></strong><br /> | <strong><u>Why not always choose the chroma-positive generator?</u></strong><br /> |