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The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons. **__Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive__.** This is necessary to keep the same generator for different MOS's of the same [[Regular Temperaments|temperament]], which guarantees that the smaller MOS will always be a subset of the larger MOS. | The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons. **__Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive__.** This is necessary to keep the same generator for different MOS's of the same [[Regular Temperaments|temperament]], which guarantees that the smaller MOS will always be a subset of the larger MOS. | ||
For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3. Because 5 fifths take one down a semitone, not up, the generator is chroma-negative, and the modes proceed from flatter to sharper. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = | For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3. Because 5 fifths take one down a semitone, not up, the generator is chroma-negative, and the modes proceed from flatter to sharper. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = C D F G A C is a subset of C 2nd Meantone [7] = C D E F G A B C. | ||
For more on the disadvantages of chroma-positive generators, see [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?|Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?]] | For more on the disadvantages of chroma-positive generators, see [[http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?|Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?]] | ||
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Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using [[xenharmonic/ups and downs notation|ups and downs notation]]. | Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using [[xenharmonic/ups and downs notation|ups and downs notation]]. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale. | ||
Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale. | |||
|| scale name || Ls pattern || example in C || genchain || | || scale name || Ls pattern || example in C || genchain || | ||
|| 1st Porcupine [7] || ssss ssL || C Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb C || __**C**__ Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb || | || 1st Porcupine [7] || ssss ssL || C Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb C || __**C**__ Dv Eb^ F Gv Ab^ Bb || | ||
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==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-MODMOS scales]]**__MODMOS scales__**== | ==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-MODMOS scales]]**__MODMOS scales__**== | ||
[[MODMOS Scales|MODMOS]] scales are named as chromatic alterations of a MOS scale, similar to UDP notation. "#" means raised by L-s. For //some-temperament-name//[N], "#" means moved N steps on the genchain, forwards if the generator is chroma-positive, otherwise backwards. | |||
The ascending melodic minor scale is 5th Meantone [7] #6 #7. MODMOS names are ambiguous. This scale could also be written as 2nd Meantone [7] b3 (major scale with a minor 3rd), or as 4th Meantone [7] #7 (dorian with a major 7th). | The ascending melodic minor scale is 5th Meantone [7] #6 #7. MODMOS names are ambiguous. This scale could also be written as 2nd Meantone [7] b3 (major scale with a minor 3rd), or as 4th Meantone [7] #7 (dorian with a major 7th). | ||
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7th Meantone [7] #6 #7: C D Eb F Gb Ab Bb C | 7th Meantone [7] #6 #7: C D Eb F Gb Ab Bb C | ||
A pentatonic scale like C D E G A# is written 1st Meantone [5] #6 | A pentatonic scale like C D E G A# is written 1st Meantone [5] #6. Scale degrees are heptatonic not pentatonic (#6 not #5) because while the scale is pentatonic, the notation uses 7 letters and is inherently heptatonic. If the scale were written H J K L #M, one would use #5. | ||
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==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-Non-MOS scales]]** | ==[[#How to name rank-2 scales-Non-MOS scales]]**__Rank-2 scales that are neither MOS nor MODMOS__**== | ||
One category are scales with too many or too few notes to be MOS. If they have an unbroken genchain, they could be named Meantone [6], Meantone [8], etc. However chromatic modifications create genchains with gaps that are very difficult to name. Instead, these scales are named as altered MOS scales, using "add" and "no" to add or subtract notes, analogous to altered jazz chords. As with MODMOS scales, there is often more than one name for a scale/mode. | |||
Reserving the //name//[//number//] format for only MOS and MODMOS scales has the advantage of identifying what scale sizes can be MOS in unfamiliar temperaments. For example, Porcupine [8] is MOS but Porcupine [9] isn't. Writing Porcupine [9] as an altered Porcupine [8] indicates this. | |||
|| scale || genchain || name || | |||
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|| C D E F F# G A B C || F __**C**__ G D A E B F# || C 2nd Meantone [7] add #4 || | |||
||= " ||= " || C 1st Meantone [7] add b4 || | |||
|| C D E F F# G A Bb C || Bb F __**C**__ G D A E * F# || C 3rd Meantone [7] add #4 || | |||
|| A B C D D# E F G# A || F C * D __**A**__ E B * * G# D# || A 5th Meantone [7] #7 add #4 || | |||
|| A B C D D# E G# A || C * D __**A**__ E B * * G# D# || A 5th Meantone [7] #7 add #4 no6 || | |||
|| nonotonic: || || || | |||
|| A B C# D D# E F# G G# A || G D __**A**__ E B F# C# G# D# || A 3rd Meantone [7] add #4, #7 || | |||
||= " ||= " || A 2nd Meantone [7] add #4, b7 || | |||
||= " ||= " || A 1st Meantone [7] add b4, b7 || | |||
|| A B C D D# E F G G# A || F C G D __**A**__ E B * * G# D# || A 5th Meantone [7] add #4, #7 || | |||
|| hexatonic: || || || | |||
|| F G A C D E F || __**F**__ C G D A E || F 2nd Meantone [7] no4 || | |||
||= " ||= " || F 1st Meantone [7] no4 || | |||
|| G A C D E F# G || C __**G**__ D A E * F# || G 2nd Meantone [7] no3 || | |||
|| pentatonic: || || || | |||
|| F G A C E F || __**F**__ C G * A E || F 2nd Meantone [7] no4 no6 || | |||
||= " ||= " || F 1st Meantone [7] no4 no6 || | |||
|| A B C E F A || F C * * __**A**__ E B || A 5th Meantone [7] no4 no7 || | |||
In the 2nd example, "add b4" means add a 4th flattened relative to the Lydian mode's 4th, not the perfect 4th. | |||
The pentatonic scales could be notated as Meantone [5], but this would be more awkward. The last two examples would be "F 1st Meantone [5] no5 add b6" and "A 3rd Meantone [5] no4 no7 add #5, #2". | |||
A Bb B D E Gb G A | |||
Gb * * * Bb * * G D A E B | |||
A 5th g[7] no3 no6 add b2, b7 | |||
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D# A# E# || | D# A# E# || | ||
|| Meantone[19] in 31edo ||= 3/2 || C G D A E B F# C# | || Meantone[19] in 31edo ||= 3/2 || C G D A E B F# C# | ||
G# D# A# E# B# | G# D# A# E# B# | ||
FxCx Gx Dx Ax Ex ||= 3/2 || C G D A E B F# C# G# | |||
D# A# E# B# Fx Cx Gx | D# A# E# B# Fx Cx Gx | ||
Dx Ax Ex || | Dx Ax Ex || | ||
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||< Meantone [12] if generator > 700¢ || C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# ||= C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# || | ||< Meantone [12] if generator > 700¢ || C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# ||= C G D A E B F# C# G# D# A# E# || | ||
An even larger problem is that the notation is overly tuning-dependent. Meantone [12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone [12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth [12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant [12] ambiguous. For example "Dominant 8|3" could mean either "4th Dominant[12]" or "9th Dominant [12]". Something similar happens with Meantone [19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone [19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot [7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore [5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it. | An even larger problem is that the notation is overly tuning-dependent. Meantone [12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone [12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth [12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant [12] ambiguous. For example "Dominant 8|3" could mean either "4th Dominant [12]" or "9th Dominant [12]". Something similar happens with Meantone [19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone [19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot [7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore [5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it. | ||
Other problems with UDP are more of a taste issue. The most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). For example, to determine that Meantone 5|1 is heptatonic, one must add the 5, the 1 and the omitted 1. If the number of notes is indicated with brackets, e.g. Meantone [7] 5|1, then three numbers are used where only two are needed. And fractional-period temperaments, e.g. Shrutal [10] 6|2(2), use four numbers where only two are needed. Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented. | Other problems with UDP are more of a taste issue. The most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). For example, to determine that Meantone 5|1 is heptatonic, one must add the 5, the 1 and the omitted 1. If the number of notes is indicated with brackets, e.g. Meantone [7] 5|1, then three numbers are used where only two are needed. And fractional-period temperaments, e.g. Shrutal [10] 6|2(2), use four numbers where only two are needed. Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering|zero-based counting]] and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented. | ||
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The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons. <strong><u>Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive</u>.</strong> This is necessary to keep the same generator for different MOS's of the same <a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments">temperament</a>, which guarantees that the smaller MOS will always be a subset of the larger MOS.<br /> | The octave inverse of a generator is also a generator. To avoid ambiguity in mode numbers, the smaller of the two generators is chosen. An exception is made for 3/2, which is preferred over 4/3 for historical reasons. <strong><u>Unlike modal UDP notation, the generator isn't always chroma-positive</u>.</strong> This is necessary to keep the same generator for different MOS's of the same <a class="wiki_link" href="/Regular%20Temperaments">temperament</a>, which guarantees that the smaller MOS will always be a subset of the larger MOS.<br /> | ||
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For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3. Because 5 fifths take one down a semitone, not up, the generator is chroma-negative, and the modes proceed from flatter to sharper. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = | For example, Meantone [5] is generated by 3/2, not 4/3. Because 5 fifths take one down a semitone, not up, the generator is chroma-negative, and the modes proceed from flatter to sharper. Because Meantone [5] and Meantone [7] have the same generator, C 2nd Meantone [5] = C D F G A C is a subset of C 2nd Meantone [7] = C D E F G A B C.<br /> | ||
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For more on the disadvantages of chroma-positive generators, see <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?" rel="nofollow">Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?</a><br /> | For more on the disadvantages of chroma-positive generators, see <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/Kite%20Giedraitis%20method-Explanation%20/%20Rationale-Why%20not%20just%20use%20UDP%20notation?" rel="nofollow">Explanation / Rationale-Why not just use UDP notation?</a><br /> | ||
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Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ups%20and%20downs%20notation">ups and downs notation</a>. | Porcupine [7] modes in 22edo (generator = 2nd = ~10/9 = 3\22, L = 4\22, s = 3\22), using <a class="wiki_link" href="http://xenharmonic.wikispaces.com/ups%20and%20downs%20notation">ups and downs notation</a>. Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale.<br /> | ||
Because the generator is a 2nd, the genchain resembles the scale.<br /> | |||
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<a class="wiki_link" href="/MODMOS%20Scales">MODMOS</a> scales are named as chromatic alterations of a MOS scale, similar to UDP notation. &quot;#&quot; means raised by L-s. For <em>some-temperament-name</em>[N], &quot;#&quot; means moved N steps on the genchain, forwards if the generator is chroma-positive, otherwise backwards.<br /> | |||
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The ascending melodic minor scale is 5th Meantone [7] #6 #7. MODMOS names are ambiguous. This scale could also be written as 2nd Meantone [7] b3 (major scale with a minor 3rd), or as 4th Meantone [7] #7 (dorian with a major 7th).<br /> | The ascending melodic minor scale is 5th Meantone [7] #6 #7. MODMOS names are ambiguous. This scale could also be written as 2nd Meantone [7] b3 (major scale with a minor 3rd), or as 4th Meantone [7] #7 (dorian with a major 7th).<br /> | ||
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A pentatonic scale like C D E G A# is written 1st Meantone [5] #6 | A pentatonic scale like C D E G A# is written 1st Meantone [5] #6. Scale degrees are heptatonic not pentatonic (#6 not #5) because while the scale is pentatonic, the notation uses 7 letters and is inherently heptatonic. If the scale were written H J K L #M, one would use #5.<br /> | ||
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One category are scales with too many or too few notes to be MOS. If they have an unbroken genchain, they could be named Meantone [6], Meantone [8], etc. However chromatic modifications create genchains with gaps that are very difficult to name. Instead, these scales are named as altered MOS scales, using &quot;add&quot; and &quot;no&quot; to add or subtract notes, analogous to altered jazz chords. As with MODMOS scales, there is often more than one name for a scale/mode. <br /> | |||
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Reserving the <em>name</em>[<em>number</em>] format for only MOS and MODMOS scales has the advantage of identifying what scale sizes can be MOS in unfamiliar temperaments. For example, Porcupine [8] is MOS but Porcupine [9] isn't. Writing Porcupine [9] as an altered Porcupine [8] indicates this.<br /> | |||
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<td><br /> | <td>A 5th Meantone [7] #7 add #4 no6<br /> | ||
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<td> | <td>nonotonic:<br /> | ||
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<td>A 3rd Meantone [7] add #4, #7<br /> | |||
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<td>A 2nd Meantone [7] add #4, b7<br /> | |||
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<td>A 1st Meantone [7] add b4, b7<br /> | |||
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<td>A 5th Meantone [7] add #4, #7<br /> | <td>A 5th Meantone [7] add #4, #7<br /> | ||
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<td>hexatonic:<br /> | |||
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<td>F 2nd Meantone [7] no4<br /> | <td>F 2nd Meantone [7] no4<br /> | ||
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<td>F 1st Meantone [7] no4<br /> | |||
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<td>G 2nd Meantone [7] no3<br /> | |||
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<td>pentatonic:<br /> | |||
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<td> | <td>F 2nd Meantone [7] no4 no6<br /> | ||
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In the 2nd example, &quot;add b4&quot; means add a 4th flattened relative to the Lydian mode's 4th, not the perfect 4th.<br /> | In the 2nd example, &quot;add b4&quot; means add a 4th flattened relative to the Lydian mode's 4th, not the perfect 4th.<br /> | ||
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The pentatonic scales could be notated as Meantone [5], but this would be more awkward. The last two examples would be &quot;F 1st Meantone [5] no5 add b6&quot; and &quot;A 3rd Meantone [5] no4 no7 add #5, #2&quot;.<br /> | |||
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A Bb B D E Gb G A<br /> | |||
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A 5th g[7] no3 no6 add b2, b7<br /> | |||
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FxCx Gx Dx Ax Ex<br /> | |||
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An even larger problem is that the notation is overly tuning-dependent. Meantone [12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone [12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth [12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant [12] ambiguous. For example &quot;Dominant 8|3&quot; could mean either &quot;4th Dominant[12]&quot; or &quot;9th Dominant [12]&quot;. Something similar happens with Meantone [19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone [19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot [7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore [5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it.<br /> | An even larger problem is that the notation is overly tuning-dependent. Meantone [12] generated by 701¢ has a different genchain than Meantone [12] generated by 699¢, so slight differences in tempering result in different mode names. One might address this problem by reasonably constraining meantone's fifth to be less than 700¢. Likewise one could constrain Superpyth [12]'s fifth to be more than 700¢. But this approach fails with Dominant meantone, which tempers out both 81/80 and 64/63, and in which the fifth can reasonably be either more or less than 700¢. This makes every single UDP mode of Dominant [12] ambiguous. For example &quot;Dominant 8|3&quot; could mean either &quot;4th Dominant [12]&quot; or &quot;9th Dominant [12]&quot;. Something similar happens with Meantone [19]. If the fifth is greater than 694¢ = 11\19, the generator is 3/2, but if less than 694¢, it's 4/3. This makes every UDP mode of Meantone [19] ambiguous. Another example is Dicot [7] when the neutral 3rd generator is greater or less than 2\7 = 343¢. Another example is Semaphore [5]'s generator of ~8/7 or ~7/6 if near 1\5 = 240¢. In general, this ambiguity arises whenever the generator of an N-note MOS ranges from slightly flat of any N-edo interval to slightly sharp of it.<br /> | ||
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Other problems with UDP are more of a taste issue. The most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). For example, to determine that Meantone 5|1 is heptatonic, one must add the 5, the 1 and the omitted 1. If the number of notes is indicated with brackets, e.g. Meantone [7] 5|1, then three numbers are used where only two are needed. And fractional-period temperaments, e.g. Shrutal [10] 6|2(2), use four numbers where only two are needed. Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering" rel="nofollow">zero-based counting</a> and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented.<br /> | Other problems with UDP are more of a taste issue. The most important piece of information, the number of notes in the scale, is hidden by UDP notation. It must be calculated by adding together the up, down, and period numbers (and the period number is often omitted). For example, to determine that Meantone 5|1 is heptatonic, one must add the 5, the 1 and the omitted 1. If the number of notes is indicated with brackets, e.g. Meantone [7] 5|1, then three numbers are used where only two are needed. And fractional-period temperaments, e.g. Shrutal [10] 6|2(2), use four numbers where only two are needed. Also, as noted above, when comparing different MOS's of a temperament, with Mode Numbers notation but not with UDP, the Nth mode of the smaller MOS is always a subset of the Nth mode of the larger MOS. Furthermore, UDP uses the more mathematical <a class="wiki_link_ext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-based_numbering" rel="nofollow">zero-based counting</a> and Mode Numbers notation uses the more intuitive one-based counting. UDP is mathematician-oriented whereas Mode Numbers notation is musician-oriented.<br /> | ||
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