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Interval chain: Since both fifths are 40c off, I can't see it being used as dual-fifth, only no-fifth makes sense
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1ed21/20 is equal to approximately 14.2067 EDO, and as a result of tethering between compressed 14 and heavily stretched 15 it is quite xenharmonic in its sound. It is related to the [[nautilus]], [[sextilifourths]] and [[floral]] temperaments.
1ed21/20 is equal to approximately 14.2067 EDO, and as a result of tethering between compressed 14 and heavily stretched 15 it is quite xenharmonic in its sound. It is related to the [[nautilus]], [[sextilifourths]] and [[floral]] temperaments.


1ed21/20 offers a possible approximation of the no-3s [[11-limit]]. It might alternatively be used as a [[dual-fifth tuning]].
1ed21/20 offers a possible approximation of the no-3s [[11-limit]], or alternatively of the 2.9.5.7.11.17 [[subgroup]].
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== See also ==
== See also ==

Revision as of 22:52, 21 September 2025

Interval information
Ratio 21/20
Factorization 2-2 × 3 × 5-1 × 7
Monzo [-2 1 -1 1
Size in cents 84.46719¢
Names septimal minor semitone,
septimal chromatic semitone,
large septimal chroma
Color name zg2, zogu 2nd
FJS name [math]\displaystyle{ \text{m2}^{7}_{5} }[/math]
Special properties superparticular,
reduced
Tenney norm (log2 nd) 8.71425
Weil norm (log2 max(n, d)) 8.78463
Wilson norm (sopfr(nd)) 19
Comma size medium
S-expressions S6⋅S7,
S7⋅S8⋅S9

[sound info]
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21/20 is a small semitone of about 85 cents. It may be found in 7-limit just intonation as, for example, the difference between 4/3 and 7/5, 8/7 and 6/5, or 5/3 and 7/4.

Terminology

21/20 is traditionally called a chroma, perhaps for its proximity (and conflation in systems like septimal meantone) with the major chroma 135/128. However, it is a diatonic semitone in both Helmholtz–Ellis notation and Functional Just System, viewed as the Pythagorean minor second 256/243 altered by 5120/5103. Marc Sabat has taken to call it the minor diatonic semitone in the same material where 15/14 is also named as the major chromatic semitone[1].

Interval chain

An interval chain of 21/20s stacked on top of one another comes close to approximating some important JI intervals. The error between the approximation and the target JI interval may be tempered out in some regular temperaments.

Some examples include:

  • A stack of two 21/20 upwards is ~4¢ from 11/10
  • A stack of seven 21/20 upwards is ~9¢ from 7/5
  • A stack of ten 21/20 upwards is ~4¢ from 13/8
  • A stack of twelve 21/20 upwards is ~4¢ from 9/5

and

  • A stack of six 21/20 downwards is ~10¢ from 3/2
  • A stack of nine 21/20 downwards is ~5¢ from 9/7
  • A stack of eleven 21/20 downwards is ~4¢ from 7/6

When treated as a scale, this interval chain can be called the ambitonal sequence of 21/20 (AS21/20 or 1ed21/20).

1ed21/20 is equal to approximately 14.2067 EDO, and as a result of tethering between compressed 14 and heavily stretched 15 it is quite xenharmonic in its sound. It is related to the nautilus, sextilifourths and floral temperaments.

1ed21/20 offers a possible approximation of the no-3s 11-limit, or alternatively of the 2.9.5.7.11.17 subgroup.

Approximation of harmonics in 1ed21/20
Harmonic 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
Error Absolute (¢) -17.5 +40.8 -34.9 +1.1 +23.3 +9.9 +32.1 -2.9 -16.4 -12.4 +5.9
Relative (%) -20.7 +48.3 -41.3 +1.3 +27.6 +11.7 +38.0 -3.4 -19.4 -14.7 +7.0
Step 14 23 28 33 37 40 43 45 47 49 51
Approximation of harmonics in 1ed21/20
Harmonic 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
Error Absolute (¢) +36.2 -7.6 +41.9 +14.6 -5.9 -20.3 -29.5 -33.8 -33.8 -29.9 -22.4 -11.6
Relative (%) +42.9 -9.0 +49.6 +17.3 -6.9 -24.1 -34.9 -40.0 -40.0 -35.4 -26.5 -13.7
Step 53 54 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65

See also

References