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==Seven limit children== | ==Seven limit children== | ||
The 7-limit children of 81/80 are septimal meantone, with normal comma list [|-4 4 -1>, |-13 10 0 -1>], flattone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-17 9 0 1>], dominant, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |6 -2 0 -1>], injera, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-7 8 0 -2>], mohajira, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-23 11 0 2>], godzilla, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-4 -1 0 2>], mothra, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-10 1 0 3>], | The 7-limit children of 81/80 are septimal meantone, with normal comma list [|-4 4 -1>, |-13 10 0 -1>], flattone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-17 9 0 1>], dominant, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |6 -2 0 -1>], sharptone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |2 -3 0 1>], injera, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-7 8 0 -2>], mohajira, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-23 11 0 2>], godzilla, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-4 -1 0 2>], mothra, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-10 1 0 3>], squares, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-3 9 0 -4>], and liese, with normal list [|-4 4 -1>, |-9 11 0 -3>]. | ||
===Septimal meantone=== | ===Septimal meantone=== | ||
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===Dominant=== | ===Dominant=== | ||
The wedgie for dominant is <<1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with Pythagorean tuning of pure 3/2 fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]]. | The wedgie for dominant is <<1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is [[12edo]], but it also works well with Pythagorean tuning of pure 3/2 fifths, and with [[29edo]], [[41edo]], or [[53edo]]. | ||
===Sharptone=== | |||
Sharptone, with a wedgie <<1 4 3 4 2 -4||, is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. [[12edo]] tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done. | |||
===Injera=== | ===Injera=== | ||
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===Godzilla=== | ===Godzilla=== | ||
Godzilla has wedgie <<2 8 1 8 -4 -20||, and tempers out 49/48, equating 8/7 with 7/6. Two of the step-and-a-half intervals these represent give a fourth, and so step-and-a-half generators generate godzilla. [[19edo]] is the perfect godzilla tuning, so much so that's there's not much point in looking elsewhere. Hence it can be more or less equated with taking 4/19 as a generator. Godzilla is not well supplied with good [[MOSScales|MOS scales]], though it has a pentatonic scale which could serve as an alternative to [[5edo]], but other options exist for those wanting to explore it.</pre></div> | Godzilla has wedgie <<2 8 1 8 -4 -20||, and tempers out 49/48, equating 8/7 with 7/6. Two of the step-and-a-half intervals these represent give a fourth, and so step-and-a-half generators generate godzilla. [[19edo]] is the perfect godzilla tuning, so much so that's there's not much point in looking elsewhere. Hence it can be more or less equated with taking 4/19 as a generator. Godzilla is not well supplied with good [[MOSScales|MOS scales]], though it has a pentatonic scale which could serve as an alternative to [[5edo]], but other options exist for those wanting to explore it. | ||
===Mohajira=== | |||
Mohajira, with wedgie <<2 8 -11 8 -23 -48||, really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. [[31edo]] makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs. | |||
===Mothra=== | |||
Mothra, with wedgie <<3 12 -1 12 -10 -36||, splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using [[31edo]] with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra. | |||
===Squares=== | |||
Squares, with wedgie <<4 16 9 16 3 -24||, splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third (9/7) intervals, and uses it for a generator. [[31edo]], with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401. | |||
===Liese=== | |||
Liese, with wedgie <<3 12 11 12 9 -8||, splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. [[74edo]] makes for a good liese tuning, though [[19edo]] can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.</pre></div> | |||
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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Meantone family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent <a class="wiki_link" href="/comma">comma</a> of the meantone family is the Didymas or <a class="wiki_link" href="/syntonic%20comma">syntonic comma</a>, 81/80. This is the one they all temper out. The <a class="wiki_link" href="/Monzos%20and%20Interval%20Space">monzo</a> for 81/80 goes |-4 4 -1&gt;, and that can be flipped around to the corresponding <a class="wiki_link" href="/Wedgies%20and%20Multivals">wedgie</a>, &lt;&lt;1 4 4||, which tells us that the period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.<br /> | <div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;width:200%;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html"><html><head><title>Meantone family</title></head><body>The 5-limit parent <a class="wiki_link" href="/comma">comma</a> of the meantone family is the Didymas or <a class="wiki_link" href="/syntonic%20comma">syntonic comma</a>, 81/80. This is the one they all temper out. The <a class="wiki_link" href="/Monzos%20and%20Interval%20Space">monzo</a> for 81/80 goes |-4 4 -1&gt;, and that can be flipped around to the corresponding <a class="wiki_link" href="/Wedgies%20and%20Multivals">wedgie</a>, &lt;&lt;1 4 4||, which tells us that the period is an octave, the generator is a fifth, and four fifths go to make up a 5/1 interval.<br /> | ||
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The 7-limit children of 81/80 are septimal meantone, with normal comma list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-13 10 0 -1&gt;], flattone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-17 9 0 1&gt;], dominant, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |6 -2 0 -1&gt;], injera, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-7 8 0 -2&gt;], mohajira, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-23 11 0 2&gt;], godzilla, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-4 -1 0 2&gt;], mothra, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-10 1 0 3&gt;], | The 7-limit children of 81/80 are septimal meantone, with normal comma list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-13 10 0 -1&gt;], flattone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-17 9 0 1&gt;], dominant, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |6 -2 0 -1&gt;], sharptone, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |2 -3 0 1&gt;], injera, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-7 8 0 -2&gt;], mohajira, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-23 11 0 2&gt;], godzilla, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-4 -1 0 2&gt;], mothra, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-10 1 0 3&gt;], squares, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-3 9 0 -4&gt;], and liese, with normal list [|-4 4 -1&gt;, |-9 11 0 -3&gt;].<br /> | ||
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The wedgie for dominant is &lt;&lt;1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a>, but it also works well with Pythagorean tuning of pure 3/2 fifths, and with <a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo">29edo</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo">41edo</a>, or <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a>.<br /> | The wedgie for dominant is &lt;&lt;1 4 -2 4 -6 -16||. Now the interval class for 7 is obtained from two fourths in succession, so that 7/4 is a minor seventh. The 7/6 interval is, like 6/5, now a minor third, and 7/5 is a diminished fifth. An excellent tuning for dominant is <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a>, but it also works well with Pythagorean tuning of pure 3/2 fifths, and with <a class="wiki_link" href="/29edo">29edo</a>, <a class="wiki_link" href="/41edo">41edo</a>, or <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a>.<br /> | ||
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Sharptone, with a wedgie &lt;&lt;1 4 3 4 2 -4||, is a low-accuracy temperament tempering out 21/20 and 28/27. In sharptone, a 7/4 is a major sixth, a 7/6 a whole tone, and a 7/5 a fourth. Genuinely septimal sounding harmony therefore cannot be expected, but it can be used to translate, more or less, 7-limit JI into 5-limit meantone. <a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo">12edo</a> tuning does sharptone about as well as such a thing can be done.<br /> | |||
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The wedgie for injera is &lt;&lt;2 8 8 8 7 -4||, which tells us it has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. <a class="wiki_link" href="/38edo">38edo</a>, which is two parallel 19edos, is an excellent tuning for injera.<br /> | The wedgie for injera is &lt;&lt;2 8 8 8 7 -4||, which tells us it has a half-octave period and a generator which can be taken as a fifth or fourth, but also as a 15/14 semitone difference between a half-octave and a perfect fifth. Injera tempers out 50/49, equating 7/5 with 10/7 and giving a tritone of half an octave. A major third up from this tritone is the 7/4. <a class="wiki_link" href="/38edo">38edo</a>, which is two parallel 19edos, is an excellent tuning for injera.<br /> | ||
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Godzilla has wedgie &lt;&lt;2 8 1 8 -4 -20||, and tempers out 49/48, equating 8/7 with 7/6. Two of the step-and-a-half intervals these represent give a fourth, and so step-and-a-half generators generate godzilla. <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> is the perfect godzilla tuning, so much so that's there's not much point in looking elsewhere. Hence it can be more or less equated with taking 4/19 as a generator. Godzilla is not well supplied with good <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS scales</a>, though it has a pentatonic scale which could serve as an alternative to <a class="wiki_link" href="/5edo">5edo</a>, but other options exist for those wanting to explore it.</body></html></pre></div> | Godzilla has wedgie &lt;&lt;2 8 1 8 -4 -20||, and tempers out 49/48, equating 8/7 with 7/6. Two of the step-and-a-half intervals these represent give a fourth, and so step-and-a-half generators generate godzilla. <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> is the perfect godzilla tuning, so much so that's there's not much point in looking elsewhere. Hence it can be more or less equated with taking 4/19 as a generator. Godzilla is not well supplied with good <a class="wiki_link" href="/MOSScales">MOS scales</a>, though it has a pentatonic scale which could serve as an alternative to <a class="wiki_link" href="/5edo">5edo</a>, but other options exist for those wanting to explore it.<br /> | ||
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Mohajira, with wedgie &lt;&lt;2 8 -11 8 -23 -48||, really makes more sense as an 11-limit temperament. It has a generator of a neutral third, two of which make up a fifth, and which can be taken to represent 128/105. Mohajira tempers out 6144/6125, the porwell comma. <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> makes for an excellent (7-limit) mohajira tuning, with generator 9/31. It has a 7-note MOS with three larger steps and four smaller ones, going sLsLsLs.<br /> | |||
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Mothra, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 12 -1 12 -10 -36||, splits the fifth into three 8/7 generators. It uses 1029/1024, the gamelisma, to accomplish this deed and also tempers out 1728/1715, the orwell comma. Using <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a> with a generator of 6/31 is an excellent tuning choice. Once again something other than a MOS should be used as a scale to get the most out of mothra.<br /> | |||
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Squares, with wedgie &lt;&lt;4 16 9 16 3 -24||, splits the interval of an eleventh, or 8/3, into four supermajor third (9/7) intervals, and uses it for a generator. <a class="wiki_link" href="/31edo">31edo</a>, with a generator of 11/31, makes for a good squares tuning, with 8, 11, and 14 note MOS available. Squares tempers out 2401/2400, the breedsma, as well as 2430/2401.<br /> | |||
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Liese, with wedgie &lt;&lt;3 12 11 12 9 -8||, splits the twelfth interval of 3/1 into three generators of 10/7, using the comma 1029/1000. It also tempers out 686/675, the senga. <a class="wiki_link" href="/74edo">74edo</a> makes for a good liese tuning, though <a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo">19edo</a> can be used. The tuning is well-supplied with MOS: 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, 19, 36, 55.</body></html></pre></div> | |||