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<div style="width:100%; max-height:400pt; overflow:auto; background-color:#f8f9fa; border: 1px solid #eaecf0; padding:0em"><pre style="margin:0px;border:none;background:none;word-wrap:break-word;white-space: pre-wrap ! important" class="old-revision-html">&lt;span style="display: block; text-align: right;"&gt;Other languages: [[xenharmonie/Magische Temperaturen#x-7-Limit-magisch|Deutsch]]&lt;/span&gt;
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**Magic** is a linear temperament in which the ~380 cent generator represents 5/4, and five of those make a 3/1. This implies that the [[magic comma]] 3125/3072 is tempered out, making it a member of the [[Magic family]]. This article also assumes the default mapping for the prime 7, which tempers out 225/224 and makes two generators equivalent to 14/9. 7/4 can be reached by 12 generators in this mapping. (There is an alternative mapping for 7 known as [[Magic family#Muggles|muggles]], but there's basically no reason to use it unless you're using [[19edo]], in which case it's identical to magic anyway.)
**Magic** is a linear temperament in which the ~380 cent generator represents 5/4, and five of those make a 3/1. This implies that the [[magic comma]] 3125/3072 is tempered out, making it a member of the [[Magic family]]. This article also assumes the default mapping for the prime 7, which tempers out 225/224 and makes two generators equivalent to 14/9. 7/4 can be reached by 12 generators in this mapping. (There is an alternative mapping for 7 known as [[Magic family#Muggles|muggles]], but there's basically no reason to use it unless you're using [[19edo]], in which case it's identical to magic anyway.)


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Magic has certain properties that commend it as a step up in complexity from traditional harmony:
Magic has certain properties that commend it as a step up in complexity from traditional harmony:
  * Every non-trivial 9-limit interval is better tuned than in [[12edo]].
* Every non-trivial 7-limit interval is better tuned than in [[12edo]].
  * It is the simplest mapping with the above property.
* It is the simplest mapping with the above property.
  * It is only slightly more complex than meantone (both work well with a 19 note gamut).
* It is only slightly more complex than meantone (both work well with a 19 note gamut).
  * 5-limit intervals are simpler than other 7-limit intervals.
* 5-limit intervals are simpler than other 7-limit intervals.


It fails to be a panacea because:
It fails to be a panacea because:
  * It has no proper MOS scales of between 3 and 16 notes.
* It has no proper MOS scales of between 3 and 16 notes.
  * It is more complex than meantone
* It is more complex than meantone
  * The 3/2 approximation is 5 times as complex as the 5/4 approximation (the generator) so modulation by fifths is more constrained than you may be used to.
* The 3/2 approximation is 5 times as complex as the 5/4 approximation (the generator) so modulation by fifths is more constrained than you may be used to.


Because the generator is so close to 1\3 of an octave, and the interval left over (which represents both 128/125 and 25/24) is accordingly so small, all small magic MOSes consist of three large intervals alternating with three groups of this small interval. Specifically, there are the following MOSes, where s always represents the characteristic small interval of 128/125~25/24.
Because the generator is so close to 1\3 of an octave, and the interval left over (which represents both 128/125 and 25/24) is accordingly so small, all small magic MOSes consist of three large intervals alternating with three groups of this small interval. Specifically, there are the following MOSes, where s always represents the characteristic small interval of 128/125~25/24.
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&lt;strong&gt;Magic&lt;/strong&gt; is a linear temperament in which the ~380 cent generator represents 5/4, and five of those make a 3/1. This implies that the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/magic%20comma"&gt;magic comma&lt;/a&gt; 3125/3072 is tempered out, making it a member of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family"&gt;Magic family&lt;/a&gt;. This article also assumes the default mapping for the prime 7, which tempers out 225/224 and makes two generators equivalent to 14/9. 7/4 can be reached by 12 generators in this mapping. (There is an alternative mapping for 7 known as &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family#Muggles"&gt;muggles&lt;/a&gt;, but there's basically no reason to use it unless you're using &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo"&gt;19edo&lt;/a&gt;, in which case it's identical to magic anyway.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;Magic&lt;/strong&gt; is a linear temperament in which the ~380 cent generator represents 5/4, and five of those make a 3/1. This implies that the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/magic%20comma"&gt;magic comma&lt;/a&gt; 3125/3072 is tempered out, making it a member of the &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family"&gt;Magic family&lt;/a&gt;. This article also assumes the default mapping for the prime 7, which tempers out 225/224 and makes two generators equivalent to 14/9. 7/4 can be reached by 12 generators in this mapping. (There is an alternative mapping for 7 known as &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family#Muggles"&gt;muggles&lt;/a&gt;, but there's basically no reason to use it unless you're using &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/19edo"&gt;19edo&lt;/a&gt;, in which case it's identical to magic anyway.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Magic has certain properties that commend it as a step up in complexity from traditional harmony:&lt;br /&gt;
Magic has certain properties that commend it as a step up in complexity from traditional harmony:&lt;br /&gt;
  * Every non-trivial 9-limit interval is better tuned than in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Every non-trivial 7-limit interval is better tuned than in &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/12edo"&gt;12edo&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is the simplest mapping with the above property.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is only slightly more complex than meantone (both work well with a 19 note gamut).&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;5-limit intervals are simpler than other 7-limit intervals.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  * It is the simplest mapping with the above property.&lt;br /&gt;
  * It is only slightly more complex than meantone (both work well with a 19 note gamut).&lt;br /&gt;
  * 5-limit intervals are simpler than other 7-limit intervals.&lt;br /&gt;
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It fails to be a panacea because:&lt;br /&gt;
It fails to be a panacea because:&lt;br /&gt;
  * It has no proper MOS scales of between 3 and 16 notes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;It has no proper MOS scales of between 3 and 16 notes.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;It is more complex than meantone&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;The 3/2 approximation is 5 times as complex as the 5/4 approximation (the generator) so modulation by fifths is more constrained than you may be used to.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
  * It is more complex than meantone&lt;br /&gt;
  * The 3/2 approximation is 5 times as complex as the 5/4 approximation (the generator) so modulation by fifths is more constrained than you may be used to.&lt;br /&gt;
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Because the generator is so close to 1\3 of an octave, and the interval left over (which represents both 128/125 and 25/24) is accordingly so small, all small magic MOSes consist of three large intervals alternating with three groups of this small interval. Specifically, there are the following MOSes, where s always represents the characteristic small interval of 128/125~25/24.&lt;br /&gt;
Because the generator is so close to 1\3 of an octave, and the interval left over (which represents both 128/125 and 25/24) is accordingly so small, all small magic MOSes consist of three large intervals alternating with three groups of this small interval. Specifically, there are the following MOSes, where s always represents the characteristic small interval of 128/125~25/24.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%204s"&gt;3L 4s&lt;/a&gt;: LsLsLss where L = 6/5&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%207s"&gt;3L 7s&lt;/a&gt;: LssLssLsss where L = 7/6&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%2010s"&gt;3L 10s&lt;/a&gt;: LsssLsssLssss where L = 9/8&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%2013s"&gt;3L 13s&lt;/a&gt;: LssssLssssLsssss where L is a neutral second, which can be taken to represent 12/11 (in magic temperament) or 11/10 (in the related &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family#Magic-Telepathy"&gt;telepathy&lt;/a&gt; temperament). In 22edo they are identical.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%204s"&gt;3L 4s&lt;/a&gt;: LsLsLss where L = 6/5&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%207s"&gt;3L 7s&lt;/a&gt;: LssLssLsss where L = 7/6&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%2010s"&gt;3L 10s&lt;/a&gt;: LsssLsssLssss where L = 9/8&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/3L%2013s"&gt;3L 13s&lt;/a&gt;: LssssLssssLsssss where L is a neutral second, which can be taken to represent 12/11 (in magic temperament) or 11/10 (in the related &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Magic%20family#Magic-Telepathy"&gt;telepathy&lt;/a&gt; temperament). In 22edo they are identical.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;