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=Just Intonation explained=  
=Just Intonation explained=  
"Just Intonation", as we find it commonly used today, describes [[Gallery of Just Intervals|intervals]] between pitches by specifying ratios (of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number|rational numbers]]) between the frequencies of pitches.
"Just Intonation", as we find it commonly used today, describes [[Gallery of Just Intervals|intervals]] between pitches by specifying ratios ([[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number|rational numbers]]) of pitch frequencies.


In languages other than English, the original conceptions of "Just Intonation" are more obviously retained in the terms used in those languages: Reine Stimmung (pure, that is, beatless, tuning) in German, Натуральний стрій in Ukrainian and Gamme naturelle in French, (both referring to the "natural scale", that is, intervals derived from the harmonic partials), Intonazione naturale (natural intonation, once again intervals derived from harmonic partials) in Italian, and so on.
In languages other than English, the original conceptions of "Just Intonation" are more obviously retained in the terms used in those languages: Reine Stimmung (pure, that is, beatless, tuning) in German, Натуральний стрій in Ukrainian and Gamme naturelle in French, (both referring to the "natural scale", that is, intervals derived from the harmonic series), Intonazione naturale (natural intonation, once again intervals derived from harmonic series) in Italian, and so on.


In the English language, the term "just" referred to "true, correct", and is still used today in this sense, in the crafts. In printing, to "justify" a line of type is to fit it precisely to a certain measure, for example. The original sense, then, was similar to that sense which is clearly retained in other languages as "natural".
In the English language, the term "just" referred to "true, correct", and is still used today in this sense, in the crafts. In printing, to "justify" a line of type is to fit it precisely to a certain measure, for example. The original sense, then, was similar to that sense which is clearly retained in other languages as "natural".


Of course, an historical description of something as "natural" does not prove that that thing really is "natural", and defining the concept of "natural", especially in the arts, is always very problematic. Nevertheless, the historical meanings of the terms for what we call "Just Intonation" do claim a "natural" status, and Just Intonation is indeed derived from genuine acoustic phenomena. How important, universal, etc., these phenomena are has been a matter of debate for thousands of years.
Of course, a historical description of something as "natural" does not prove that something is "natural." Similarly labeling something "natural" without any ground, especially in the arts, is always very problematic. Nevertheless, the historical meanings of the terms for what we call "Just Intonation" do claim a "natural" status, and Just Intonation is indeed derived from genuine acoustic phenomena. How important, universal, etc., these phenomena are has been a matter of debate for thousands of years.


The current common usage of describing intervals between pitches by specifying ratios of rational numbers is another way of expressing the "natural scale", for it describes ratios between harmonic partials (in their ideal form). So, contemporary usage of the term is in keeping with historical and international usages. However, just as harmonic vocabulary has expanded over the centuries, so has that which falls under "just intonation" expanded.
Specifying ratios of frequencies is another way of expressing the "natural scale", for it describes ratios between partials in the harmonic series (in their ideal form). So, contemporary usage of the term is in keeping with historical and international usages. However, just as harmonic vocabulary has expanded over the centuries, so has that which falls under "just intonation" expanded.


But, first things first. Let us take a look at why the idea of a "natural" or "just" tuning came about, and is still with us.
But, first things first. Let us take a look at why the idea of a "natural" or "just" tuning came about, and is still with us.
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="Pure"? "Rational"? Various shades of "Just" Intonation=  
="Pure"? "Rational"? Various shades of "Just" Intonation=  


Just Intonation is sometimes distinguished from //rational intonation,// by requiring that the ratios be ones of low complexity (as for example measured by [[Tenney height]]) but there is no clear dividing line. The matter is partially a question of intent. The rank two tuning system in which all intervals are given as combinations of the just perfect fourth, 4/3, and the just minor third, 6/5, would seem to be a nonoctave 5-limit just intonation system by definition. In practice, it can hardly be used except as a rank two 7-limit [[Microtempering|microtempering]] system because of certain very accurate approximations to the octave and to seven limit intervals: (6/5)^2/(4/3) = 27/25, the semitone maximus or just minor second; and (27/25)^9 is less than a cent short of an octave, while (27/25)^2 is almost precisely 7/6, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_minor_third|septimal minor third]].
Just Intonation is sometimes distinguished from //rational intonation,// by requiring that the ratios be lower than some arbitrary complexity (as for example measured by [[Tenney height]]).
 
The rank two tuning system in which all intervals are given as combinations of the just perfect fourth, 4/3, and the just minor third, 6/5, would seem to be a nonoctave 5-limit just intonation system by definition. In practice however, it casually suggests a rank two 7-limit [[Microtempering|microtempering]] system because of very accurate approximations to the octave and to seven limit intervals: (6/5)^2/(4/3) = 27/25, the semitone maximus or just minor second; and (27/25)^9 is less than a cent short of an octave, while (27/25)^2 is almost precisely 7/6, the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_minor_third|septimal minor third]].


=Just Intonation in use=  
=Just Intonation in use=  
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to this can be added
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//7. The use of// //harmonic// //mediants as was common with the Ancient Greeks. This can also involve further divisions besides two parts as seen with Ptolemy sometimes using 3 parts. The Chinese have historically used as many as 10 parts.//
//7. The use of// //harmonic and arithmetic// //mediants as was common with the Ancient Greeks. This can also involve further divisions besides two parts as seen with Ptolemy sometimes using 3 parts. The Chinese have historically used as many as 10 parts.//


//8. While related to the above, the use of recurrent sequences is by some included under JI as it involves whole numbers. Wilson's [[http://anaphoria.com/wilsonintroMERU.html|Meru scales]] are a good example as well as Jacques Dudon//
//8. While related to the above, the use of recurrent sequences is by some included under JI as it involves whole numbers. Wilson's [[http://anaphoria.com/wilsonintroMERU.html|Meru scales]] are a good example as well as Jacques Dudon//
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  &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot;, as we find it commonly used today, describes &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;intervals&lt;/a&gt; between pitches by specifying ratios (of &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number" rel="nofollow"&gt;rational numbers&lt;/a&gt;) between the frequencies of pitches.&lt;br /&gt;
  &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot;, as we find it commonly used today, describes &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Gallery%20of%20Just%20Intervals"&gt;intervals&lt;/a&gt; between pitches by specifying ratios (&lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rational_number" rel="nofollow"&gt;rational numbers&lt;/a&gt;) of pitch frequencies.&lt;br /&gt;
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In languages other than English, the original conceptions of &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot; are more obviously retained in the terms used in those languages: Reine Stimmung (pure, that is, beatless, tuning) in German, Натуральний стрій in Ukrainian and Gamme naturelle in French, (both referring to the &amp;quot;natural scale&amp;quot;, that is, intervals derived from the harmonic partials), Intonazione naturale (natural intonation, once again intervals derived from harmonic partials) in Italian, and so on.&lt;br /&gt;
In languages other than English, the original conceptions of &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot; are more obviously retained in the terms used in those languages: Reine Stimmung (pure, that is, beatless, tuning) in German, Натуральний стрій in Ukrainian and Gamme naturelle in French, (both referring to the &amp;quot;natural scale&amp;quot;, that is, intervals derived from the harmonic series), Intonazione naturale (natural intonation, once again intervals derived from harmonic series) in Italian, and so on.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the English language, the term &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; referred to &amp;quot;true, correct&amp;quot;, and is still used today in this sense, in the crafts. In printing, to &amp;quot;justify&amp;quot; a line of type is to fit it precisely to a certain measure, for example. The original sense, then, was similar to that sense which is clearly retained in other languages as &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
In the English language, the term &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; referred to &amp;quot;true, correct&amp;quot;, and is still used today in this sense, in the crafts. In printing, to &amp;quot;justify&amp;quot; a line of type is to fit it precisely to a certain measure, for example. The original sense, then, was similar to that sense which is clearly retained in other languages as &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, an historical description of something as &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; does not prove that that thing really is &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;, and defining the concept of &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot;, especially in the arts, is always very problematic. Nevertheless, the historical meanings of the terms for what we call &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot; do claim a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; status, and Just Intonation is indeed derived from genuine acoustic phenomena. How important, universal, etc., these phenomena are has been a matter of debate for thousands of years.&lt;br /&gt;
Of course, a historical description of something as &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; does not prove that something is &amp;quot;natural.&amp;quot; Similarly labeling something &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; without any ground, especially in the arts, is always very problematic. Nevertheless, the historical meanings of the terms for what we call &amp;quot;Just Intonation&amp;quot; do claim a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; status, and Just Intonation is indeed derived from genuine acoustic phenomena. How important, universal, etc., these phenomena are has been a matter of debate for thousands of years.&lt;br /&gt;
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The current common usage of describing intervals between pitches by specifying ratios of rational numbers is another way of expressing the &amp;quot;natural scale&amp;quot;, for it describes ratios between harmonic partials (in their ideal form). So, contemporary usage of the term is in keeping with historical and international usages. However, just as harmonic vocabulary has expanded over the centuries, so has that which falls under &amp;quot;just intonation&amp;quot; expanded.&lt;br /&gt;
Specifying ratios of frequencies is another way of expressing the &amp;quot;natural scale&amp;quot;, for it describes ratios between partials in the harmonic series (in their ideal form). So, contemporary usage of the term is in keeping with historical and international usages. However, just as harmonic vocabulary has expanded over the centuries, so has that which falls under &amp;quot;just intonation&amp;quot; expanded.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
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But, first things first. Let us take a look at why the idea of a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; tuning came about, and is still with us.&lt;br /&gt;
But, first things first. Let us take a look at why the idea of a &amp;quot;natural&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;just&amp;quot; tuning came about, and is still with us.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just Intonation is sometimes distinguished from &lt;em&gt;rational intonation,&lt;/em&gt; by requiring that the ratios be ones of low complexity (as for example measured by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Tenney%20height"&gt;Tenney height&lt;/a&gt;) but there is no clear dividing line. The matter is partially a question of intent. The rank two tuning system in which all intervals are given as combinations of the just perfect fourth, 4/3, and the just minor third, 6/5, would seem to be a nonoctave 5-limit just intonation system by definition. In practice, it can hardly be used except as a rank two 7-limit &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Microtempering"&gt;microtempering&lt;/a&gt; system because of certain very accurate approximations to the octave and to seven limit intervals: (6/5)^2/(4/3) = 27/25, the semitone maximus or just minor second; and (27/25)^9 is less than a cent short of an octave, while (27/25)^2 is almost precisely 7/6, the &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_minor_third" rel="nofollow"&gt;septimal minor third&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
Just Intonation is sometimes distinguished from &lt;em&gt;rational intonation,&lt;/em&gt; by requiring that the ratios be lower than some arbitrary complexity (as for example measured by &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Tenney%20height"&gt;Tenney height&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;
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The rank two tuning system in which all intervals are given as combinations of the just perfect fourth, 4/3, and the just minor third, 6/5, would seem to be a nonoctave 5-limit just intonation system by definition. In practice however, it casually suggests a rank two 7-limit &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Microtempering"&gt;microtempering&lt;/a&gt; system because of very accurate approximations to the octave and to seven limit intervals: (6/5)^2/(4/3) = 27/25, the semitone maximus or just minor second; and (27/25)^9 is less than a cent short of an octave, while (27/25)^2 is almost precisely 7/6, the &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_minor_third" rel="nofollow"&gt;septimal minor third&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;7. The use of&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;harmonic&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;mediants as was common with the Ancient Greeks. This can also involve further divisions besides two parts as seen with Ptolemy sometimes using 3 parts. The Chinese have historically used as many as 10 parts.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;7. The use of&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;harmonic and arithmetic&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;mediants as was common with the Ancient Greeks. This can also involve further divisions besides two parts as seen with Ptolemy sometimes using 3 parts. The Chinese have historically used as many as 10 parts.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;em&gt;8. While related to the above, the use of recurrent sequences is by some included under JI as it involves whole numbers. Wilson's &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://anaphoria.com/wilsonintroMERU.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Meru scales&lt;/a&gt; are a good example as well as Jacques Dudon&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;em&gt;8. While related to the above, the use of recurrent sequences is by some included under JI as it involves whole numbers. Wilson's &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://anaphoria.com/wilsonintroMERU.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Meru scales&lt;/a&gt; are a good example as well as Jacques Dudon&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;