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where the norm on the right is the ordinary Euclidean norm. | where the norm on the right is the ordinary Euclidean norm. | ||
(8) If v[1] is odd then for each integer j, 0 | (8) If v[1] is odd then for each integer j, 0 less than j less than or equal to v[1], we choose a corresponding monzo mj such that <v|m> = j, 0 less than <J|m> less than or equal to 1 where J is the JI mapping <log2(2) log2(3) ... log2(p)|, and ||m||_s is minimal. | ||
(9) If v[1] is even, we choose a monzo u such that ||u||_s > 0 and ||u||_s is minimal. Then for each integer j, where 0 | (9) If v[1] is even, we choose a monzo u such that ||u||_s > 0 and ||u||_s is minimal. Then for each integer j, where 0 less than j less than or equal to v[1], we choose a corresponding monzo mj such that <v|m> = j, 0 less than <J|m> less than or equal to 1, and where ||m - u/2||_s is minimal. | ||
(10) We now apply the chosen tuning to the monzos mj, obtaining values (in cents or fractional monzos) defining a scale. The monzos mj are defined only modulo the commas and the octave o, but since the commas are tempered out and mj is in the octave range from 0 | (10) We now apply the chosen tuning to the monzos mj, obtaining values (in cents or fractional monzos) defining a scale. The monzos mj are defined only modulo the commas and the octave o, but since the commas are tempered out and mj is in the octave range from 0 less than mj less than or equal to 1200 cents, this does not affect the definition of the scale. | ||
==Example== | ==Example== | ||
For an example, consider the 22 note hobbit for minerva temperament, the 11-limit temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. Here the val is <22 35 51 62 76|, and an interval of minimal nonzero size for the temperament is 16/15, with monzo |4 -1 -1 0 0>. The fractional monzo for half of this, corresponding to the square root, is |4 -1/2 -1/2 0 0>, and intervals representing scale steps are 36/35, 15/14, 11/10, 8/7, 7/6, 40/33, 5/4, 9/7, 4/3, 48/35, 10/7, 22/15, 3/2, 11/7, 8/5, 5/3, 12/7, 7/4, 64/35, 15/8, 64/33, 2/1. A tuning can be defined in various ways, for instance by approximating the above in [[53edo]], or by using the minimax tuning, which has eigenmonzsos 2, 3, and 11. | For an example, consider the 22 note hobbit for minerva temperament, the 11-limit temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. Here the val is <22 35 51 62 76|, and an interval of minimal nonzero size for the temperament is 16/15, with monzo |4 -1 -1 0 0>. The fractional monzo for half of this, corresponding to the square root, is |4 -1/2 -1/2 0 0>, and intervals representing scale steps are 36/35, 15/14, 11/10, 8/7, 7/6, 40/33, 5/4, 9/7, 4/3, 48/35, 10/7, 22/15, 3/2, 11/7, 8/5, 5/3, 12/7, 7/4, 64/35, 15/8, 64/33, 2/1. A tuning can be defined in various ways, for instance by approximating the above in [[53edo]], or by using the minimax tuning, which has eigenmonzsos 2, 3, and 11. | ||
After applying such a tuning, we discover than there seems to be a certain irregularity or inconsistency in action, in that some of the 11-limit intervals do not stem from the mapping for minerva, but represent additional temperings by 243/242 or 4000/3993. By adding one of these, we can flatten out the irregularity to a corresponding rank two temperament; by adding both, we obtain the rank one temperament with val <65 103 151 183 225|, giving a scale with steps 2433333242432424233333. This sort of thing seems to happen fairly often with hobbit scales. | |||
If we use the minimax tuning, we find that </pre></div> | If we use the minimax tuning, we find that </pre></div> | ||
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where the norm on the right is the ordinary Euclidean norm.<br /> | where the norm on the right is the ordinary Euclidean norm.<br /> | ||
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(8) If v[1] is odd then for each integer j, 0 | (8) If v[1] is odd then for each integer j, 0 less than j less than or equal to v[1], we choose a corresponding monzo mj such that &lt;v|m&gt; = j, 0 less than &lt;J|m&gt; less than or equal to 1 where J is the JI mapping &lt;log2(2) log2(3) ... log2(p)|, and ||m||_s is minimal.<br /> | ||
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(9) If v[1] is even, we choose a monzo u such that ||u||_s &gt; 0 and ||u||_s is minimal. Then for each integer j, where 0 | (9) If v[1] is even, we choose a monzo u such that ||u||_s &gt; 0 and ||u||_s is minimal. Then for each integer j, where 0 less than j less than or equal to v[1], we choose a corresponding monzo mj such that &lt;v|m&gt; = j, 0 less than &lt;J|m&gt; less than or equal to 1, and where ||m - u/2||_s is minimal.<br /> | ||
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(10) We now apply the chosen tuning to the monzos mj, obtaining values (in cents or fractional monzos) defining a scale. The monzos mj are defined only modulo the commas and the octave o, but since the commas are tempered out and mj is in the octave range from 0 | (10) We now apply the chosen tuning to the monzos mj, obtaining values (in cents or fractional monzos) defining a scale. The monzos mj are defined only modulo the commas and the octave o, but since the commas are tempered out and mj is in the octave range from 0 less than mj less than or equal to 1200 cents, this does not affect the definition of the scale.<br /> | ||
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For an example, consider the 22 note hobbit for minerva temperament, the 11-limit temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. Here the val is &lt;22 35 51 62 76|, and an interval of minimal nonzero size for the temperament is 16/15, with monzo |4 -1 -1 0 0&gt;. The fractional monzo for half of this, corresponding to the square root, is |4 -1/2 -1/2 0 0&gt;, and intervals representing scale steps are 36/35, 15/14, 11/10, 8/7, 7/6, 40/33, 5/4, 9/7, 4/3, 48/35, 10/7, 22/15, 3/2, 11/7, 8/5, 5/3, 12/7, 7/4, 64/35, 15/8, 64/33, 2/1. A tuning can be defined in various ways, for instance by approximating the above in <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a>, or by using the minimax tuning, which has eigenmonzsos 2, 3, and 11.<br /> | For an example, consider the 22 note hobbit for minerva temperament, the 11-limit temperament tempering out 99/98 and 176/175. Here the val is &lt;22 35 51 62 76|, and an interval of minimal nonzero size for the temperament is 16/15, with monzo |4 -1 -1 0 0&gt;. The fractional monzo for half of this, corresponding to the square root, is |4 -1/2 -1/2 0 0&gt;, and intervals representing scale steps are 36/35, 15/14, 11/10, 8/7, 7/6, 40/33, 5/4, 9/7, 4/3, 48/35, 10/7, 22/15, 3/2, 11/7, 8/5, 5/3, 12/7, 7/4, 64/35, 15/8, 64/33, 2/1. A tuning can be defined in various ways, for instance by approximating the above in <a class="wiki_link" href="/53edo">53edo</a>, or by using the minimax tuning, which has eigenmonzsos 2, 3, and 11.<br /> | ||
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After applying such a tuning, we discover than there seems to be a certain irregularity or inconsistency in action, in that some of the 11-limit intervals do not stem from the mapping for minerva, but represent additional temperings by 243/242 or 4000/3993. By adding one of these, we can flatten out the irregularity to a corresponding rank two temperament; by adding both, we obtain the rank one temperament with val &lt;65 103 151 183 225|, giving a scale with steps 2433333242432424233333. This sort of thing seems to happen fairly often with hobbit scales.<br /> | |||
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If we use the minimax tuning, we find that</body></html></pre></div> | If we use the minimax tuning, we find that</body></html></pre></div> | ||