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=== Harmonics === | === Harmonics === | ||
In the 5-limit, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent major third. However, it excels at the 7th harmonic and intervals involving 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[ | In the 5-limit, 36edo offers no improvement over 12edo, since its nearest approximation to 5:4 is the overly-familiar 400-cent major third. However, it excels at the 7th harmonic and intervals involving 7. As a 3 and 7 tuning, or in other words as a tuning for the 2.3.7 [[subgroup]], 36edo's single degree of around 33 cents serves a double function as 49:48, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_diesis Slendro diesis] of around 36 cents, and as 64:63, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_comma septimal comma] of around 27 cents. Meanwhile, its second degree functions as 28:27, the so-called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septimal_third-tone Septimal third-tone] (since {{nowrap|28/27 {{=}} 49:48 × 64:63}}). The 2.3.7 subgroup can be extended to the [[k*N_subgroups|2*36 subgroup]] 2.3.25.7.55.13.17, and on this subgroup it tempers out the same commas as [[72edo]] does in the full [[17-limit]]. | ||
{{harmonics in equal|36|prec=2}} | {{harmonics in equal|36|prec=2}} | ||
=== Mappings === | === Mappings === | ||
The 36edo patent val, like 12, tempers out 81/80, 128/125 and 648/625 in the 5-limit. It departs from 12 in the 7-limit, tempering out 686/675, and as a no-fives temperament, 1029/1024 and 118098/117649. The no-fives temperament tempering out 1029/1024, [[slendric]], is well supported by 36edo, its generator of ~8/7 represented by 7 steps of 36edo. In the 11-limit, the patent val tempers out 56/55, 245/242 and 540/539, and is the [[optimal patent val]] for the rank four temperament tempering out 56/55, as well as the rank three temperament [[Didymus rank three family|melpomene]] tempering out 81/80 and 56/55. In the 13-limit, it tempers out 78/77, in the 17-limit 51/50, and in the 19-limit 76/75 | The 36edo patent val, like 12, tempers out 81/80, 128/125 and 648/625 in the 5-limit. It departs from 12 in the 7-limit, tempering out 686/675, and as a no-fives temperament, 1029/1024 and 118098/117649. The no-fives temperament tempering out 1029/1024, [[slendric]], is well supported by 36edo, its generator of ~8/7 represented by 7 steps of 36edo. In the 11-limit, the patent val tempers out 56/55, 245/242 and 540/539, and is the [[optimal patent val]] for the rank four temperament tempering out 56/55, as well as the rank three temperament [[Didymus rank three family|melpomene]] tempering out 81/80 and 56/55. In the 13-limit, it tempers out 78/77 and 91/90, in the 17-limit 51/50, and in the 19-limit 76/75 and 96/95. | ||
As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is {{val| 36 65 116 }}, which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. | As a 5-limit temperament, the patent val for 36edo is [[Wedgies and Multivals|contorted]], meaning there are notes of it which cannot be reached from the unison using only 5-limit intervals. A curious alternative val for the 5-limit is {{val| 36 65 116 }}, which is not contorted. It is also a meantone val, in the sense that 81/80 is tempered out. However, the "comma" {{monzo|29 0 -9}} is also tempered out, and the "fifth", 29\36, is actually approximately 7/4, whereas the "major third", 44\36, is actually approximately 7/3. Any 5-limit musical piece or scale which is a [[transversal]] for a meantone piece or scale will be converted to a no-fives piece tempering out 1029/1024 in place of 81/80 by applying this val. | ||
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If the arrows are taken to have their own layer of enharmonic spellings, then in some cases notes may be best denoted using double arrows. | If the arrows are taken to have their own layer of enharmonic spellings, then in some cases notes may be best denoted using double arrows. | ||
===Sagittal notation=== | === Sagittal notation === | ||
This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[43edo#Sagittal notation|43-EDO]], is a subset of the notation for [[72edo#Sagittal notation|72-EDO]], and is a superset of the notations for EDOs [[18edo#Sagittal notation|18]], [[12edo#Sagittal notation|12]], and [[6edo#Sagittal notation|6]]. | This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as [[43edo#Sagittal notation|43-EDO]], is a subset of the notation for [[72edo#Sagittal notation|72-EDO]], and is a superset of the notations for EDOs [[18edo#Sagittal notation|18]], [[12edo#Sagittal notation|12]], and [[6edo#Sagittal notation|6]]. | ||
==== Evo flavor ==== | |||
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====Revo flavor==== | ==== Revo flavor ==== | ||
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File:36-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg | File:36-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg | ||
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For people accustomed to 12edo, 36edo is one of the easiest (if not ''the'' easiest) higher edo to become accustomed to. This is because one way to envision it is as an extended 12edo to which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_note blue notes] (which are a sixth-tone lower than normal) and "red notes" (a sixth-tone higher) have been added. | For people accustomed to 12edo, 36edo is one of the easiest (if not ''the'' easiest) higher edo to become accustomed to. This is because one way to envision it is as an extended 12edo to which [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_note blue notes] (which are a sixth-tone lower than normal) and "red notes" (a sixth-tone higher) have been added. | ||
The intervals in 36edo are all either the familiar 12edo intervals, or else "red" and "blue" versions of them. | The intervals in 36edo are all either the familiar 12edo intervals, or else "red" and "blue" versions of them. In [[24edo]], intervals such as 250 cents (halfway between a tone and a third) and 450 cents (halfway between a fourth and a third) tend to sound genuinely foreign, the new intervals in 36edo are all variations on existing ones. Unlike 24edo, 36edo is also relatively free of what Easley Blackwood called "discordant" intervals. The 5th and 11th harmonics fall almost halfway in between scale degrees of 36edo, and thus intervals containing them can be approximated two different ways, one of which is significantly sharp and the other significantly flat. The 333.333-cent interval (the "red minor third") sharply approximates 6/5 and flatly approximates 11/9, for instance, whereas the sharp 11/9 is 366.667 cents and the flat 6/5 is 300 cents. However, 11/10, 20/11, 15/11, and 22/15 all have accurate and consistent approximations since the errors on the 5th and 11th harmonics cancel out with both tending sharp. | ||
36edo is fairly cosmopolitan because many genres of world music can be played in it. Because of the presence of blue notes, and the closeness with which the 7th harmonic and its intervals are matched, 36edo is an ideal scale to use for African-American genres of music such as blues and jazz, in which septimal intervals are frequently encountered. Indonesian gamelan music using pelog easily adapts to it as well, since 9edo is a subset and can be notated as every fourth note, and Slendro can be approximated in several different ways as well. 36edo can therefore function as a "bridge" between these genres and Western music. Arabic and Persian music do not adapt as well, however, since their microtonal intervals consist of mostly quarter tones. | 36edo is fairly cosmopolitan because many genres of world music can be played in it. Because of the presence of blue notes, and the closeness with which the 7th harmonic and its intervals are matched, 36edo is an ideal scale to use for African-American genres of music such as blues and jazz, in which septimal intervals are frequently encountered. Indonesian gamelan music using pelog easily adapts to it as well, since 9edo is a subset and can be notated as every fourth note, and Slendro can be approximated in several different ways as well. 36edo can therefore function as a "bridge" between these genres and Western music. Arabic and Persian music do not adapt as well, however, since their microtonal intervals consist of mostly quarter tones. | ||
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The "red unison" and "blue unison" are in fact the same interval (33.333 cents), which is actually fairly consonant as a result of being so narrow (it is perceived as a unison, albeit noticeably "out of tune", but still not overly unpleasant). In contrast, most people consider 24edo's 50 cent step to sound much more discordant when used as a subminor second. | The "red unison" and "blue unison" are in fact the same interval (33.333 cents), which is actually fairly consonant as a result of being so narrow (it is perceived as a unison, albeit noticeably "out of tune", but still not overly unpleasant). In contrast, most people consider 24edo's 50 cent step to sound much more discordant when used as a subminor second. | ||
People with perfect (absolute) pitch often have a difficult time listening to xenharmonic and non-12edo scales, | People with perfect (absolute) pitch often have a difficult time listening to xenharmonic and non-12edo scales,since their ability to memorize and become accustomed to the pitches and intervals of 12edo results in other pitches and intervals sounding out of tune. This is not as much of a problem with 36edo, due to its similarity to 12. With practice, it might even be possible to extend one's perfect pitch to be able to recognize blue and red notes. | ||
=== "Quark" === | === "Quark" === | ||
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| 10/9 | | 10/9 | ||
| [[Squirrel]] (36), [[coendou]] (36c) | | [[Squirrel]] (36), [[coendou]] (36c) | ||
| [[1L 6s]], [[7L 1s]], [[7L 8s]], [[7L 15s]], [[7L 22s]] | | [[1L 6s]], [[7L 1s]], [[7L 8s]], [[7L 15s]], [[7L 22s]] | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| 8/7 | | 8/7 | ||
| [[Slendric]] / [[mothra]] / [[guiron]] | | [[Slendric]] / [[mothra]] / [[guiron]] | ||
| [[1L 4s]], [[1L 5s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], [[5L 11s]], [[5L 16s]], [[5L 21s]], [[5L 26s]] | | [[1L 4s]], [[1L 5s]], [[5L 1s]], [[5L 6s]], [[5L 11s]], [[5L 16s]], [[5L 21s]], [[5L 26s]] | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| [[3L 1s]], [[3L 4s]], [[3L 7s]], [[10L 3s]], [[13L 10s]] | | [[3L 1s]], [[3L 4s]], [[3L 7s]], [[10L 3s]], [[13L 10s]] | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| [[2L 1s]], [[3L 2s]], [[3L 5s]], [[3L 8s]], [[11L 3s]], [[11L 14s]] | | [[2L 1s]], [[3L 2s]], [[3L 5s]], [[3L 8s]], [[11L 3s]], [[11L 14s]] | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| 7/5 | | 7/5 | ||
| [[Liese]], [[pycnic]] (36c) | | [[Liese]], [[pycnic]] (36c) | ||
| [[2L 1s]], [[2L 3s]], [[2L 5s]], [[2L 7s]], [[2L 9s]], …, [[2L 15s]], [[17L 2s]] | | [[2L 1s]], [[2L 3s]], [[2L 5s]], [[2L 7s]], [[2L 9s]], …, [[2L 15s]], [[17L 2s]] | ||
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| 2 | | 2 | ||
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| 10/9 | | 10/9 | ||
| [[Hedgehog]] (36ceff), [[echidna]] (36) | | [[Hedgehog]] (36ceff), [[echidna]] (36) | ||
| [[2L 4s]], [[6L 2s]], [[8L 6s]], [[14L 8s]] | | [[2L 4s]], [[6L 2s]], [[8L 6s]], [[14L 8s]] | ||
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| 2 | | 2 | ||
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| 8/7 | | 8/7 | ||
| [[Baladic]] / [[echidnic]] | | [[Baladic]] / [[echidnic]] | ||
| [[4L 2s]], [[6L 4s]], [[10L 6s]], [[10L 16s]] | | [[4L 2s]], [[6L 4s]], [[10L 6s]], [[10L 16s]] | ||
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| 3 | | 3 | ||
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| [[6L 3s]], [[6L 9s]], [[15L 6s]] | | [[6L 3s]], [[6L 9s]], [[15L 6s]] | ||
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| 4 | | 4 | ||
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| [[4L 4s]], [[4L 8s]], [[4L 12s]], [[16L 4s]] | | [[4L 4s]], [[4L 8s]], [[4L 12s]], [[16L 4s]] | ||
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| 4 | | 4 | ||
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| [[4L 4s]], [[8L 4s]], [[8L 12s]], [[8L 20s]] | | [[4L 4s]], [[8L 4s]], [[8L 12s]], [[8L 20s]] | ||
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| 6 | | 6 | ||
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| 4/3<br>(36/35) | | 4/3<br>(36/35) | ||
| [[Niner]] | | [[Niner]] | ||
| [[9L 9s]] | | [[9L 9s]] | ||
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| 12 | | 12 | ||
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| 8/7<br>(64/63) | | 8/7<br>(64/63) | ||
| [[Catler]] | | [[Catler]] | ||
| [[12L 12s]] | | [[12L 12s]] | ||
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| 18 | | 18 |