Meantone family: Difference between revisions

ArrowHead294 (talk | contribs)
ce
Line 65: Line 65:
{{Wikipedia| Septimal meantone temperament }}
{{Wikipedia| Septimal meantone temperament }}


The [[7/4]] in septimal meantone is the augmented sixth (C-A#), and other septimal intervals are [[7/6]], the augmented second (C-D#), [[7/5]], the augmented fourth (C-F#), and [[21/16]], the augmented third (C-E#). Septimal meantone tempers out the common 7-limit commas [[126/125]] and [[225/224]] and in fact can be defined as the 7-limit temperament that tempers out any two of 81/80, 126/125 and 225/224.
The [[7/4]] in septimal meantone is the augmented sixth (C-A♯), and other septimal intervals are [[7/6]], the augmented second (C-D♯), [[7/5]], the augmented fourth (C-F♯), and [[21/16]], the augmented third (C-E♯). Septimal meantone tempers out the common 7-limit commas [[126/125]] and [[225/224]] and in fact can be defined as the 7-limit temperament that tempers out any two of 81/80, 126/125 and 225/224.


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Line 149: Line 149:


===== Meantonic =====
===== Meantonic =====
Dubbed ''meantonic'' here, this extension maps the 17/16 to the triple augmented seventh (C-Bx#) octave reduced, and 19/16 to the quadruple augmented unison (C-Cxx). The major second is now 19/17, and 17/16 is conflated with 19/18, as do all the other extensions discussed below. 31edo also conflates 17/16~19/18 with 16/15 whereas 50edo conflates all of 17/16, 18/17, 19/18, and 20/19, so a good tuning would be somewhere in this range.  
Dubbed ''meantonic'' here, this extension maps the 17/16 to the octave-reduced triple augmented seventh (C-B𝄪♯), and 19/16 to the quadruple augmented unison (C-C𝄪𝄪). The major second is now 19/17, and 17/16 is conflated with 19/18, as do all the other extensions discussed below. 31edo also conflates 17/16~19/18 with 16/15 whereas 50edo conflates all of 17/16, 18/17, 19/18, and 20/19, so a good tuning would be somewhere in this range.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Line 181: Line 181:


===== Meantoid =====
===== Meantoid =====
Dubbed ''meantoid'' here, this extension maps 17/16~19/18 to the augmented unison (C-C#) and 19/16 to the augmented second (C-D#). For any tuning flatter than 12edo, the sizes of 17/16 (augmented unison) and 18/17 (minor second) are inverse, so genuine septendecimal and undevicesimal harmony cannot be expected.  
Dubbed ''meantoid'' here, this extension maps 17/16~19/18 to the augmented unison (C-C♯) and 19/16 to the augmented second (C-D♯). For any tuning flatter than 12edo, the sizes of 17/16 (augmented unison) and 18/17 (minor second) are inverse, so genuine septendecimal and undevicesimal harmony cannot be expected.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Line 213: Line 213:


===== Huygens =====
===== Huygens =====
Dubbed ''huygens'' here, this extension is perhaps the most practical, as it maps 17/16 to the minor second (C-Db), and 19/16 to the minor third (C-Eb), suitable for a system generated by a mildly tempered fifth.  
Dubbed ''huygens'' here, this extension is perhaps the most practical, as it maps 17/16 to the minor second (C-D♭), and 19/16 to the minor third (C-E♭), suitable for a system generated by a mildly tempered fifth.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17
Line 245: Line 245:


==== Grosstone ====
==== Grosstone ====
Grosstone maps 13/8 to the double diminished seventh (C-Bbbb).  
Grosstone maps 13/8 to the double diminished seventh (C-B♭♭♭).  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Line 507: Line 507:
{{See also| Meantone vs meanpop }}
{{See also| Meantone vs meanpop }}


Meanpop maps the 11/8 to the double diminished fifth (C-Gbb), and tridecimal meanpop still maps the 13/8 to the double augmented fifth (C-Gx). Note also 11/10 is the double diminished third; 12/11~13/12, double augmented unison; and 14/13, minor second.  
Meanpop maps the 11/8 to the double diminished fifth (C-G𝄫), and tridecimal meanpop still maps the 13/8 to the double augmented fifth (C-G𝄪). Note also 11/10 is the double diminished third; 12/11~13/12, double augmented unison; and 14/13, minor second.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Line 703: Line 703:


=== Meanenneadecal ===
=== Meanenneadecal ===
Meanenneadecal maps the 11/8 to the augmented fourth (C-F#), and tridecimal meanenneadecal still maps the 13/8 to the double augmented fifth (C-Gx). Note also 11/10 is the major second; 12/11~14/13, minor second; and 13/12, double augmented unison.  
Meanenneadecal maps the 11/8 to the augmented fourth (C-F♯), and tridecimal meanenneadecal still maps the 13/8 to the double augmented fifth (C-G𝄪). Note also 11/10 is the major second; 12/11~14/13, minor second; and 13/12, double augmented unison.  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Line 1,024: Line 1,024:


=== Meanundeci ===
=== Meanundeci ===
Meanundeci is a low-complexity low-accuracy entry that maps the 11/8 to the perfect fourth (C-F), and tridecimal meanundeci maps the 13/8 to the minor sixth (C-Ab).  
Meanundeci is a low-complexity low-accuracy entry that maps the 11/8 to the perfect fourth (C-F), and tridecimal meanundeci maps the 13/8 to the minor sixth (C-A♭).  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Line 1,167: Line 1,167:


== Flattone ==
== Flattone ==
In flattone tunings, the fifth is typically even flatter than that of [[19edo]]. Here, 9 fourths get to the interval class for 7, resulting in [[7/4]] being a diminished seventh interval (C-Bbb). Other intervals are [[7/6]], a diminished third (C-Ebb), and [[7/5]], a doubly diminshed fifth (C-Gbb). In general, most septimal subminor intervals are diminished and most septimal supermajor intervals are augmented, which makes it quite easy to learn flattone notation. Good tunings for flattone are [[26edo]], [[45edo]] and [[64edo]].
In flattone tunings, the fifth is typically even flatter than that of [[19edo]]. Here, 9 fourths get to the interval class for 7, so that [[7/4]] is a diminished seventh (C-B𝄫), [[7/6]] is a diminished third (C-E𝄫), and [[7/5]] is a doubly diminshed fifth (C-G𝄫). In general, septimal subminor intervals are diminished and septimal supermajor intervals are augmented, which makes it quite easy to learn flattone notation. Good tunings for flattone are [[26edo]], [[45edo]], and [[64edo]].


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7