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He then uses this to derive scales for timbres with non-harmonic spectra, which are said to match those actually in use by gamelans, etc.
He then uses this to derive scales for timbres with non-harmonic spectra, such as the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonang|bonang]]  used in gamelans, which, combined with harmonic spectra, [[http://www.musicandmeaning.net/issues/showArticle.php?artID=1.3|maps to the slendro scale used to tune them]] .  "In the same way that Western harmonic instruments are related to Western scales, so the nonharmonic spectrum of gamelan instruments are related to the gamelan scales."


However, when applied to more than 2 tones, it measures major chords (4:5:6) and minor chords (10:12:15) as equally dissonant, which is not the usual interpretation.  [[Paul Erlich]] [[http://www.tonalsoft.com/sonic-arts/td/erlich/entropy.htm|calls this measurement "roughness"]] , and combines it with "tonalness" (similarity to a harmonic series) to explain the discrepancy.
However, when applied to more than 2 tones, it measures major chords (4:5:6) and minor chords (10:12:15) as equally dissonant, which is not the usual interpretation.  [[Joe Monzo]] explains the discrepancy by [[http://www.tonalsoft.com/sonic-arts/td/erlich/entropy.htm|calling this measurement]] "[[roughness]]", not dissonance, and stating that it must be combined with "[[tonalness]]" ([[Paul Erlich]]'s similarity to a [[harmonic series]]) to find the overall [[sonance]].


[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Sethares|Wikipedia article]]
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He then uses this to derive scales for timbres with non-harmonic spectra, which are said to match those actually in use by gamelans, etc.&lt;br /&gt;
He then uses this to derive scales for timbres with non-harmonic spectra, such as the &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonang" rel="nofollow"&gt;bonang&lt;/a&gt;  used in gamelans, which, combined with harmonic spectra, &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.musicandmeaning.net/issues/showArticle.php?artID=1.3" rel="nofollow"&gt;maps to the slendro scale used to tune them&lt;/a&gt; .  &amp;quot;In the same way that Western harmonic instruments are related to Western scales, so the nonharmonic spectrum of gamelan instruments are related to the gamelan scales.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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However, when applied to more than 2 tones, it measures major chords (4:5:6) and minor chords (10:12:15) as equally dissonant, which is not the usual interpretation.  &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Paul%20Erlich"&gt;Paul Erlich&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.tonalsoft.com/sonic-arts/td/erlich/entropy.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;calls this measurement &amp;quot;roughness&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt; , and combines it with &amp;quot;tonalness&amp;quot; (similarity to a harmonic series) to explain the discrepancy.&lt;br /&gt;
However, when applied to more than 2 tones, it measures major chords (4:5:6) and minor chords (10:12:15) as equally dissonant, which is not the usual interpretation.  &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Joe%20Monzo"&gt;Joe Monzo&lt;/a&gt; explains the discrepancy by &lt;a class="wiki_link_ext" href="http://www.tonalsoft.com/sonic-arts/td/erlich/entropy.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;calling this measurement&lt;/a&gt; &amp;quot;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/roughness"&gt;roughness&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot;, not dissonance, and stating that it must be combined with &amp;quot;&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/tonalness"&gt;tonalness&lt;/a&gt;&amp;quot; (&lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/Paul%20Erlich"&gt;Paul Erlich&lt;/a&gt;'s similarity to a &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/harmonic%20series"&gt;harmonic series&lt;/a&gt;) to find the overall &lt;a class="wiki_link" href="/sonance"&gt;sonance&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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