Talk:Marvel temperaments: Difference between revisions

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:::::: I don't know of other temperaments who would use -pent and -sept suffixes. I know however that most temperaments which have various strong extensions (and possibly other relationships, I'm not sure if it always has to be strong extensions) can be distinguished by terms like "5-limit X" or "7-limit X", and I suppose subgroups (which are not prime limits) could be used in a similar fashion as well. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 19:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::: Right. That's the approach I prefer, and I suspected this preference was shared widely. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 20:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::: I see that Flora has added information about negripent and negrisept to the Negri page. However, this still leaves us in an inconsistent position re: sensipent and sensisept, and dimipent and dimisept. I remind folks that while I don't like this naming pattern and would rather not propagate it further, it does appear to be the case that with some intentionality it has already been propagated at least as far as these three cases: ''currently, "sensipent" and "dimipent" are given as the names of the 5-limit temperaments, as well as the entire family''.

::::::: But this seems strange to me to include the 5-limit-specific suffix in the name the family, which includes all the higher-limit extensions. The [[Sensipent family]] page begins, "Temperaments of the sensipent family temper out the sensipent comma". I feel like it would it be more logical for this to be "Temperaments of the sensi family temper out the sensipent comma"; this implies how these temperaments also temper out other higher-limit commas in addition to this 5-limit comma, and that their name will likely be a variant based on the "sensi" root but without any longer including the "-pent" suffix. Similarly, "dimipent family" should probably be the "dimi family", then, which includes temperaments like "diminished".

::::::: Negri is not explicitly identified as a family at this time; it is a section on a clan page. Should it be explicitly identified as a family, and "negripent" given as a name for the base 5-limit temperament of this family?

::::::: "Negrisept" is currently given as "7-limit (negri)". Should "negrisept" be added to that section title in parentheses, in the same way that "negra" is included in parentheses as a name for the 2.3.5.7.13 extension?

::::::: "Sensisept" is currently given as "Septimal sensi". Should "sensisept" be added to that section title in parentheses?

::::::: Is "dimisept" the same as "diminished"? If so, should it be added to that section title in parentheses?

::::::: I think the answer to each of those questions is "yes". Finally, I suggest that all three of these pages should acknowledge and briefly explain the naming pattern shared among them, to prevent inconsistencies between them from developing in the future.

::::::: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

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 :::::: I don't know of other temperaments who would use -pent and -sept suffixes. I know however that most temperaments which have various strong extensions (and possibly other relationships, I'm not sure if it always has to be strong extensions) can be distinguished by terms like "5-limit X" or "7-limit X", and I suppose subgroups (which are not prime limits) could be used in a similar fashion as well. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 19:31, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
 ::::::: Right. That's the approach I prefer, and I suspected this preference was shared widely. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 20:11, 21 June 2023 (UTC)
+::::::: I see that Flora has added information about negripent and negrisept to the Negri page. However, this still leaves us in an inconsistent position re: sensipent and sensisept, and dimipent and dimisept. I remind folks that while I don't like this naming pattern and would rather not propagate it further, it does appear to be the case that with some intentionality it has already been propagated at least as far as these three cases: ''currently, "sensipent" and "dimipent" are given as the names of the 5-limit temperaments, as well as the entire family''.
+::::::: But this seems strange to me to include the 5-limit-specific suffix in the name the family, which includes all the higher-limit extensions. The [[Sensipent family]] page begins, "Temperaments of the sensipent family temper out the sensipent comma". I feel like it would it be more logical for this to be "Temperaments of the sensi family temper out the sensipent comma"; this implies how these temperaments also temper out other higher-limit commas in addition to this 5-limit comma, and that their name will likely be a variant based on the "sensi" root but without any longer including the "-pent" suffix. Similarly, "dimipent family" should probably be the "dimi family", then, which includes temperaments like "diminished".
+::::::: Negri is not explicitly identified as a family at this time; it is a section on a clan page. Should it be explicitly identified as a family, and "negripent" given as a name for the base 5-limit temperament of this family?
+::::::: "Negrisept" is currently given as "7-limit (negri)". Should "negrisept" be added to that section title in parentheses, in the same way that "negra" is included in parentheses as a name for the 2.3.5.7.13 extension?
+::::::: "Sensisept" is currently given as "Septimal sensi". Should "sensisept" be added to that section title in parentheses?
+::::::: Is "dimisept" the same as "diminished"? If so, should it be added to that section title in parentheses?
+::::::: I think the answer to each of those questions is "yes". Finally, I suggest that all three of these pages should acknowledge and briefly explain the naming pattern shared among them, to prevent inconsistencies between them from developing in the future.
+::::::: --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 16:32, 22 June 2023 (UTC)