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: To sum up, I think it's fundamentally flawed to try to apply all 4 assumptions baked into the "traditional mosses" to all other mosses, but should someone try, I would go with Ganaram inukshuk's proposition and add the starting point rule I stated above (always start with the first size after 3). This will inevitably lead to 6-tone chromatic scales in extreme cases and to a lot of weak chromatic pairs despite the existence of "strong chromatic pairs" at higher sizes (see Barton example above), but that's the kind of information loss to be expected when taking too many variables at once. It's the problems of temperament all over again! --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 06:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)

: Since we can rarely apply all of Ganaram inukshuk's assumptions at once to non-diatonic MOSses, I suggest we should give priority to the first assumption, because the scales closest to 5, 7, and 12 notes are the ones most melodically similar to the pentatonic, diatonic, and chromatic scales. For example, for porcupine, [[1L 4s]] is the haplotonic scale, [[1L 6s]] is the albitonic scale, and [[7L 8s]] is the chromatic scale.

: Since we can rarely apply all of Ganaram inukshuk's assumptions at once to non-diatonic MOSses, I suggest we should give priority to the first assumption, because the scales closest to 5, 7, and 12 notes are the ones most melodically similar to the pentatonic, diatonic, and chromatic scales. For example, for porcupine, (very improper) [[1L 4s]] is the haplotonic scale, [[1L 6s]] is the albitonic scale, and [[7L 8s]] is the chromatic scale.

: However, this approach would still require the intermediate terms–using the porcupine example again, the [[1L 5s]] and [[7L 1s]] scales would need to use terms like "mega-haplotonic" and "mega-albitonic". I don't think any naming system will ever be able to get rid of these types of terms, because, even if we forced the haplotonic, albitonic, and chromatic scales to be next to each other in the chain (e.g. 7, 8, and 15 notes for porcupine), we would still need to worry about "mini-haplotonic" and "mega-chromatic" scales. If these terms are inevitably required, we should come up with some standard way of naming them, although I am not sure how to do that. [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 01:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

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 : To sum up, I think it's fundamentally flawed to try to apply all 4 assumptions baked into the "traditional mosses" to all other mosses, but should someone try, I would go with Ganaram inukshuk's proposition and add the starting point rule I stated above (always start with the first size after 3). This will inevitably lead to 6-tone chromatic scales in extreme cases and to a lot of weak chromatic pairs despite the existence of "strong chromatic pairs" at higher sizes (see Barton example above), but that's the kind of information loss to be expected when taking too many variables at once. It's the problems of temperament all over again! --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 06:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
-: Since we can rarely apply all of Ganaram inukshuk's assumptions at once to non-diatonic MOSses, I suggest we should give priority to the first assumption, because the scales closest to 5, 7, and 12 notes are the ones most melodically similar to the pentatonic, diatonic, and chromatic scales. For example, for porcupine, [[1L 4s]] is the haplotonic scale, [[1L 6s]] is the albitonic scale, and [[7L 8s]] is the chromatic scale.
+: Since we can rarely apply all of Ganaram inukshuk's assumptions at once to non-diatonic MOSses, I suggest we should give priority to the first assumption, because the scales closest to 5, 7, and 12 notes are the ones most melodically similar to the pentatonic, diatonic, and chromatic scales. For example, for porcupine, (very improper) [[1L 4s]]  is the haplotonic scale, [[1L 6s]] is the albitonic scale, and [[7L 8s]] is the chromatic scale.
 : However, this approach would still require the intermediate terms–using the porcupine example again, the [[1L 5s]] and [[7L 1s]] scales would need to use terms like "mega-haplotonic" and "mega-albitonic". I don't think any naming system will ever be able to get rid of these types of terms, because, even if we forced the haplotonic, albitonic, and chromatic scales to be next to each other in the chain (e.g. 7, 8, and 15 notes for porcupine), we would still need to worry about "mini-haplotonic" and "mega-chromatic" scales. If these terms are inevitably required, we should come up with some standard way of naming them, although I am not sure how to do that.  [[User:CompactStar|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar|talk]]) 01:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)