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:::::: Ah. That makes sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

== Microtonal ~~Music~~ Playground ==

== Microtonal Playground (Part 1) ==

Okay, the application already works, and I already filled in your paradiatonic scales for the demo.

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::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "War and Piece" size? Great, please don't forget to include your chapters on historical philosophy. :-)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now, about e-mail exchange — this is the right idea. I don't mind at all. Let's do the following: really, let's set aside all further discussions here (except musical/mathematical/software topics potentially interesting to the Xenharmonic readers) and move them in private. More exactly: to start will you look at [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|my contact section on my main page]]. I reference to means of indirect mailing: via my site or xen.wiki). You can try both and decide what is more convenient for you. Then we'll have a further choice: to continue in any of these ways, or go further away from any of these sites, which would be even simpler. To do so, you may choose to share some real e-mail address, and then we will have more choices. First, I can send my real e-mail in response. I will ask you to keep it secret and address other people to my [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|xen.wiki page]]. Also, I can invite you for a chat, which is more convenient than e-mail, but it would be better to use both chat and e-mail, depending on the purpose. Finally, I have a choice of chats I actively use: 1) I can create a channel on my Slack site, it is more convenient and mostly used for my discussions with musicians, 2) Skype, which is much less convenient, 3) I have some settings for an ad-hoc chat. Now, all chat channels I have are non-commercial, but they allow voice and video over IP (but only one facility has screen sharing). I have the applications, but on your side, you don't have to install anything, pure Web browser would suffice. I don't really like using video, but would not mind talking in voice. I really prefer char for small talks. Also, we can only try different channels and then decide. So, what do you think? Will you do it? If you will, the next step is yours. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 20:53 UTC''

::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now, about e-mail exchange — this is the right idea. I don't mind at all. Let's do the following: really, let's set aside all further discussions here (except musical/mathematical/software topics potentially interesting to the Xenharmonic readers) and move them in private. More exactly: to start, will you look at [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|my contact section on my main page]]. I reference two means of indirect mailing: via my site or xen.wiki). You can try both and decide what is more convenient for you. Then we'll have a further choice: to continue in any of these ways, or go further away from any of these sites, which would be even simpler. To do so, you may choose to share some real e-mail address, and then we will have more choices. First, I can send my real e-mail in response. I will ask you to keep it secret and address other people to my [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|xen.wiki page]]. Also, I can invite you for a chat, which is more convenient than e-mail, but it would be better to use both chat and e-mail, depending on the purpose. Finally, I have a choice of chats I actively use: 1) I can create a channel on my Slack site, it is more convenient and mostly used for my discussions with musicians, 2) Skype, which is much less convenient, 3) I have some settings for an ad-hoc chat. Now, all chat channels I have are non-commercial, but they allow voice and video over IP (but only one facility has screen sharing). I have the applications, but on your side, you don't have to install anything, pure Web browser would suffice. I don't really like using video, but would not mind talking in voice. I really prefer char for small talks. Also, we can only try different channels and then decide. So, what do you think? Will you do it? If you will, the next step is yours. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 20:53 UTC''

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Truth be told, there are a lot of elements concerning the historical philosophy that I'm keeping secret at this time, though perhaps we can talk about some of them during our discussion. I did go to your contact section on your main page, and I decided to send an email via xen.wiki, and chances are we will likely continue our conversations among personal email exchanges. I do intend to keep things secret as much as possible, but given the nature of technology, and the fact that I'm only now starting to get help on the actual novel from other people, some elements of our conversation may end up on Discord, though we will have to discuss which things we can allow to make their way to Discord and which things we need to keep under wraps. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: For the record, I have no intention of sharing your real email with other people, so no need to worry about that. It's other things that I'm concerned about keeping secret on my end. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I do understand it, no worries at all; I mentioned it just for keeping things proper. So, will you write to me? If you share your real e-mail in any of your communications, I'll surely keep it secret, naturally. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 21:16 UTC''

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Frankly, as you could have noticed, I mentioned historical philosophy only to make a humorous reference to L. Tolstoy. (At school, many children make fun of Tolstoy, because these chapters are enormously big, so many consider them as inappropriate, but I've read them very carefully even at that time.) At the same time, somehow I'm not too surprised that you have something real on this topic. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 21:23 UTC''

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I attempted to write to you by means of xen.wiki soon after I mentioned us emailing one another. However, I'm now wondering if that email went through. You may need to check your email's files for junk, as the email I sent could have ended up there for some weird reason. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Not to worry, your message arrived just as expected, thank you. Now, do you want to go further and share your e-mail, or I can send a message in the same way first, share my e-mail, so we can communicate independently from this site, more conveniently? — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 21:50 UTC''

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Finally! I was wondering when it would. I think it would be better for you to respond to my message. Given my experience exchanging emails with Xenwolf, I think it best that you actually respond to the message I sent. Hopefully from there, I can respond and give you my actual email. If not, we'll try another means of exchanging emails. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Done. Please give me the confirmation here, just for this first time. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 22:25 UTC''

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I got your message, and I've sent a reply. We should be good from there. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Yes, everything looks fine. Thank you. You got my reply; no need to send confirmations anymore.

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I got a pleasant surprise: I tried to explain the pretty nasty Wiki styling bug with external links (at least for Vector I use), and Xenwolf kept saying that everything is fine, there was nothing to fix. But recently I found that the bug is fixed by someone. It feels nice! — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Wednesday 2020 December 9, 23:46 UTC''

:::::::::::::::::::::::::: I do however think I should mention that "Folly of a Drunk" sprang out of an early draft of one particular scene in my serialized novel, as do a number of my non-microtonal songs. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

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: If you link to or cite my pages here on this wiki, we also need to take stock of the fact that the content of these pages is liable to change in the future. Sorry I didn't say this right the first time. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 01:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

=== 4.9.5 ===

V. 4.9.5: Added mechanism of customization of user's tonal system in a separate file, refined user's error reporting.

The customization is shown on the sample [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/tree/master/docs/playground/custom-demo playground/custom-demo].

This is how customization works:

The user creates a new copy of the file [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/blob/master/docs/playground/user.data user.data] in some separate location. The application can start with this file if it is specified in the Web browser ''address line'' as a query parameter, for example:

<code>...playground/index.html?custom-demo/customized.user.data</code>

The path should be relative to “...playground/index.html”.

For simplification, this address line could be placed in another custom file, an HTML file, such as the demo file “index.html” in [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/tree/master/docs/playground/custom-demo playground/custom-demo]. In this case, the application can be started with the custom tonal system data in one click.

Customization cannot work in [https://SAKryukov.GitHub.io/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/playground live demo]. Instead, the entire project should be [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard downloaded]. See the green button entitled “Code”. In the downloaded code, we only need its sub-directory “docs”, everything else can be deleted. (The weird directory name “docs” is related to the GitHub naming requirements for the content served by a product's Web site used for [https://SAKryukov.GitHub.io/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/playground live demo]. In fact, all the production code is in this directory).

== Keyboards based on the designs by Kite Giedraitis ==

[[User talk:TallKite#Your tonal system on my microtonal platform|The discussion on this topic]] shall be moved to a separate [[User talk:SAKryukov/Keyboards based on the designs by Kite Giedraitis|sub-page]]

== Reduce comma tables on EDO pages ==

Please have a look at [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Things to do #Comma tables in EDO_pages]]. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 09:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

: Looking... — thank you. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Tuesday 2021 January 12, 21:23 UTC''

== Microtonal Playground (Part 2) ==

Hey, SA, it seems that the Microtonal playground has one problem, at least in the 12-edo version. The "B" in the Mixolydian row should be renamed "B-Flat" to match the other instances of that same note in other rows. Sorry about this. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:02, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

: Thank you, that's correct. Fixed. — [[User:SAKryukov|SA]], ''Saturday 2021 February 20, 17:05 UTC''

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 :::::: Ah.  That makes sense. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:12, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
-== Microtonal Music Playground ==
+== Microtonal Playground (Part 1) ==
 Okay, the application already works, and I already filled in your paradiatonic scales for the demo.
@@ Line 626: / Line 626: @@
 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "War and Piece" size? Great, please don't forget to include your chapters on historical philosophy. :-)
-::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now, about e-mail exchange — this is the right idea. I don't mind at all. Let's do the following: really, let's set aside all further discussions here (except musical/mathematical/software topics potentially interesting to the Xenharmonic readers) and move them in private. More exactly: to start will you look at [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|my contact section on my main page]]. I reference to means of indirect mailing: via my site or xen.wiki). You can try both and decide what is more convenient for you. Then we'll have a further choice: to continue in any of these ways, or go further away from any of these sites, which would be even simpler. To do so, you may choose to share some real e-mail address, and then we will have more choices. First, I can send my real e-mail in response. I will ask you to keep it secret and address other people to my [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|xen.wiki page]]. Also, I can invite you for a chat, which is more convenient than e-mail, but it would be better to use both chat and e-mail, depending on the purpose. Finally, I have a choice of chats I actively use: 1) I can create a channel on my Slack site, it is more convenient and mostly used for my discussions with musicians, 2) Skype, which is much less convenient, 3) I have some settings for an ad-hoc chat. Now, all chat channels I have are non-commercial, but they allow voice and video over IP (but only one facility has screen sharing). I have the applications, but on your side, you don't have to install anything, pure Web browser would suffice. I don't really like using video, but would not mind talking in voice. I really prefer char for small talks. Also, we can only try different channels and then decide. So, what do you think? Will you do it? If you will, the next step is yours. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;20:53&nbsp;UTC''
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now, about e-mail exchange — this is the right idea. I don't mind at all. Let's do the following: really, let's set aside all further discussions here (except musical/mathematical/software topics potentially interesting to the Xenharmonic readers) and move them in private. More exactly: to start, will you look at [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|my contact section on my main page]]. I reference two means of indirect mailing: via my site or xen.wiki). You can try both and decide what is more convenient for you. Then we'll have a further choice: to continue in any of these ways, or go further away from any of these sites, which would be even simpler. To do so, you may choose to share some real e-mail address, and then we will have more choices. First, I can send my real e-mail in response. I will ask you to keep it secret and address other people to my [[User:SAKryukov#Profile_and_Contacts|xen.wiki page]]. Also, I can invite you for a chat, which is more convenient than e-mail, but it would be better to use both chat and e-mail, depending on the purpose. Finally, I have a choice of chats I actively use: 1) I can create a channel on my Slack site, it is more convenient and mostly used for my discussions with musicians, 2) Skype, which is much less convenient, 3) I have some settings for an ad-hoc chat. Now, all chat channels I have are non-commercial, but they allow voice and video over IP (but only one facility has screen sharing). I have the applications, but on your side, you don't have to install anything, pure Web browser would suffice. I don't really like using video, but would not mind talking in voice. I really prefer char for small talks. Also, we can only try different channels and then decide. So, what do you think? Will you do it? If you will, the next step is yours. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;20:53&nbsp;UTC''
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Truth be told, there are a lot of elements concerning the historical philosophy that I'm keeping secret at this time, though perhaps we can talk about some of them during our discussion.  I did go to your contact section on your main page, and I decided to send an email via xen.wiki, and chances are we will likely continue our conversations among personal email exchanges.  I do intend to keep things secret as much as possible, but given the nature of technology, and the fact that I'm only now starting to get help on the actual novel from other people, some elements of our conversation may end up on Discord, though we will have to discuss which things we can allow to make their way to Discord and which things we need to keep under wraps. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: For the record, I have no intention of sharing your real email with other people, so no need to worry about that.  It's other things that I'm concerned about keeping secret on my end. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I do understand it, no worries at all; I mentioned it just for keeping things proper. So, will you write to me? If you share your real e-mail in any of your communications, I'll surely keep it secret, naturally. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;21:16&nbsp;UTC''
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Frankly, as you could have noticed, I mentioned historical philosophy only to make a humorous reference to L. Tolstoy. (At school, many children make fun of Tolstoy, because these chapters are enormously big, so many consider them as inappropriate, but I've read them very carefully even at that time.) At the same time, somehow I'm not too surprised that you have something real on this topic. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;21:23&nbsp;UTC''
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I attempted to write to you by means of xen.wiki soon after I mentioned us emailing one another.  However, I'm now wondering if that email went through. You may need to check your email's files for junk, as the email I sent could have ended up there for some weird reason. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:28, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Not to worry, your message arrived just as expected, thank you. Now, do you want to go further and share your e-mail, or I can send a message in the same way first, share my e-mail, so we can communicate independently from this site, more conveniently? &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;21:50&nbsp;UTC''
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Finally!  I was wondering when it would.  I think it would be better for you to respond to my message.  Given my experience exchanging emails with Xenwolf, I think it best that you actually respond to the message I sent.  Hopefully from there, I can respond and give you my actual email.  If not, we'll try another means of exchanging emails. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 21:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Done. Please give me the confirmation here, just for this first time. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;22:25&nbsp;UTC''
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: I got your message, and I've sent a reply.  We should be good from there. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:33, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
+::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Yes, everything looks fine. Thank you. You got my reply; no need to send confirmations anymore.
+:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::  I got a pleasant surprise: I tried to explain the pretty nasty Wiki styling bug with external links (at least for Vector I use), and Xenwolf kept saying that everything is fine, there was nothing to fix. But recently I found that the bug is fixed by someone. It feels nice! &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Wednesday&nbsp;2020&nbsp;December&nbsp;9,&nbsp;23:46&nbsp;UTC''
 :::::::::::::::::::::::::: I do however think I should mention that "Folly of a Drunk" sprang out of an early draft of one particular scene in my serialized novel, as do a number of my non-microtonal songs. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 20:08, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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 : If you link to or cite my pages here on this wiki, we also need to take stock of the fact that the content of these pages is liable to change in the future.  Sorry I didn't say this right the first time. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 01:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
+=== 4.9.5 ===
+V.&thinsp;4.9.5: Added mechanism of customization of user's tonal system in a separate file, refined user's error reporting.
+The customization is shown on the sample [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/tree/master/docs/playground/custom-demo playground/custom-demo].
+This is how customization works:
+The user creates a new copy of the file [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/blob/master/docs/playground/user.data user.data] in some separate location. The application can start with this file if it is specified in the Web browser ''address line'' as a query parameter, for example:
+<code>...playground/index.html?custom-demo/customized.user.data</code>
+The path should be relative to “...playground/index.html”.
+For simplification, this address line could be placed in another custom file, an HTML file, such as the demo file “index.html” in  [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/tree/master/docs/playground/custom-demo playground/custom-demo]. In this case, the application can be started with the custom tonal system data in one click.
+Customization cannot work in [https://SAKryukov.GitHub.io/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/playground live demo]. Instead, the entire project should be [https://github.com/SAKryukov/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard downloaded]. See the green button entitled “Code”. In the downloaded code, we only need its sub-directory “docs”, everything else can be deleted. (The weird directory name “docs” is related to the GitHub naming requirements for the content served by a product's Web site used for [https://SAKryukov.GitHub.io/microtonal-chromatic-lattice-keyboard/playground live demo]. In fact, all the production code is in this directory).
+== Keyboards based on the designs by  Kite Giedraitis ==
+[[User talk:TallKite#Your tonal system on my microtonal platform|The discussion on this topic]] shall be moved to a separate [[User talk:SAKryukov/Keyboards based on the designs by Kite Giedraitis|sub-page]]
+== Reduce comma tables on EDO pages ==
+Please have a look at [[Xenharmonic Wiki: Things to do #Comma tables in EDO_pages]]. Thanks --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 09:09, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
+: Looking... — thank you. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Tuesday&nbsp;2021&nbsp;January&nbsp;12,&nbsp;21:23&nbsp;UTC''
+== Microtonal Playground (Part 2) ==
+Hey, SA, it seems that the Microtonal playground has one problem, at least in the 12-edo version.  The "B" in the Mixolydian row should be renamed "B-Flat" to match the other instances of that same note in other rows.  Sorry about this. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 22:02, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
+: Thank you, that's correct. Fixed. &mdash;&nbsp;[[User:SAKryukov|SA]],&nbsp;''Saturday&nbsp;2021&nbsp;February&nbsp;20,&nbsp;17:05&nbsp;UTC''