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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
32edo is generally the first power-of-2 edo which can be considered to handle [[limit|low-limit]] just intonation at all. It has unambiguous mappings for [[prime]]s up to the [[11-limit]], although [[6/5]] and Pythagorean intervals are especially poorly approximated if going by the [[patent val]] instead of using [[direct approximation|inconsistent approximations]]. Since 32edo is poor at approximating primes and it is a high power of 2, both traditional [[RTT]] and temperament-agnostic [[mos]] theory are of limited usefulness in the system (though it has an [[ultrasoft]] [[smitonic]] with {{nowrap|L/s {{=}} 5/4}}). 32edo's 5:2:1 [[blackdye]] scale {{nowrap|(1 5 2 5 1 5 2 5 1 5)}}, which is melodically comparable to [[31edo]]'s 5:2:1 [[diasem]], is notable for having 412.5¢ neogothic major thirds and 450¢ naiadics in place of the traditional 5-limit and Pythagorean major thirds in 5-limit blackdye, and the 75¢ semitone in place of 16/15. The 712.5¢ sharp fifth and the 675¢ flat fifth correspond to 3/2 and [[40/27]] in 5-limit blackdye, making 5:2:1 blackdye a [[dual-fifth]] scale.  
32edo is generally the first power-of-2 edo which can be considered to handle [[limit|low-limit]] just intonation at all. However, its [[3/2|perfect fifth]] is more than 10 cents sharp, and combined with a [[5/4]] more than 10 cents flat, it is [[inconsistent]] to the [[5-odd-limit]] (although interestingly, these errors cancel out to produce a very accurate [[15/8]]). The mapping for [[prime harmonic|prime]] [[5/1|5]] is ambiguous: the [[patent val]] has a lower average error for primes up to [[11/1|11]], but the 32c val, using the sharply tuned [[5/4]] at 412.5 cents, achieves [[11-odd-limit]] [[monotonicity]], so worth considering despite a little bit more error.  
 
Since 32edo is poor at approximating primes and it is a high power of 2, both traditional [[RTT]] and temperament-agnostic [[mos]] theory are of limited usefulness in the system (though it has an [[ultrasoft]] [[smitonic]] with {{nowrap|L/s {{=}} 5/4}}). 32edo's 5:2:1 [[blackdye]] scale {{nowrap|(1 5 2 5 1 5 2 5 1 5)}}, which is melodically comparable to [[31edo]]'s 5:2:1 [[diasem]], is notable for having 412.5{{c}} neogothic major thirds and 450{{c}} [[naiadic]]s in place of the traditional 5-limit and Pythagorean major thirds in 5-limit blackdye, and the 75{{c}} semitone in place of [[16/15]]. The 712.5{{c}} sharp fifth and the 675{{c}} flat fifth correspond to 3/2 and [[40/27]] in 5-limit blackdye, making 5:2:1 blackdye a [[dual-fifth]] scale.  
 
=== Odd harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|32}}


=== As a tuning of other temperaments ===
=== As a tuning of other temperaments ===
32edo provides a good tuning for the [[sixix]] temperament, which [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[5-limit]] sixix comma, [[3125/2916]], using its 9\32 generator of size 337.5 cents. Sixix temperament is generated by an approximate [[6/5]], which is tuned very sharp so that 5 of them octave-reduce to [[4/3]]. [[Petr Pařízek]]'s preferred generator for sixix is (128/15)<sup>(1/11)</sup>, which is 337.430 cents and which gives equal error to fifths and major thirds, so 32edo does sixix about as well as sixix can be done. The 9\32 generator can also be used for the much more inaccurate [[mohavila]] temperament which treats the 675-cent fifth from [[16edo]] as 3/2 (basically it's [[mavila]]'s response to neutral third temperaments).
Although 32edo is generally considered a mediocre system for approximating [[JI]] (at least relative to other EDOs of a similar size), it does still offer several [[regular temperament]]s that could be used for this purpose. Using the patent val, 32edo provides a good tuning for the [[sixix]] temperament, which [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[5-limit]] sixix comma, [[3125/2916]]. Sixix is generated by an approximate [[6/5]], which is tuned very sharp so that five of them octave-reduce to [[4/3]]. In 32edo this is the 9\32 generator of size 337.5 cents. [[Petr Pařízek]]'s preferred generator for sixix is (128/15)<sup>(1/11)</sup>, which is 337.430{{c}} and which gives equal error to fifths and major thirds, so 32edo does sixix about as well as sixix can be done.


It also tempers out [[2048/2025]] in the 5-limit, and [[50/49]] with [[64/63]] in the [[7-limit]], which means it [[support]]s [[pajara]], with a very sharp fifth of 712.5 cents which could be experimented with by those with a penchant for fifths even sharper than the fifth of [[27edo]]; this fifth is in fact very close to the [[minimax tuning]] of the pajara extension [[Diaschismic family #Pajaro|pajaro]], using the 32f val. In the 11-limit it provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[kangaroo]] temperament, tempering out [[55/54]], 64/63, and [[245/242]]. This is generated by a flat [[16/11]] such that 3 of them reduce to [[3/2]] and 6 of them reduce to [[8/7]]. Its 15-note scale could potentially be used as a [[detempering]] of [[15edo]].
The same generator can also be used for the much more inaccurate [[mohavila]] temperament in the 32bde val, which treats the 675{{c}} fifth from [[16edo]] as 3/2 (basically it is [[mavila]]'s response to neutral third temperaments). Since this fifth is much more inaccurate than the sharp fifth, 32edo cannot truly be considered a [[dual-fifth]] system.


The sharp fifth of 32edo can be used to generate a very unequal [[archy]] (specifically [[oceanfront]]) [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], with a [[diatonic semitone]] of 5 steps and a [[chromatic semitone]] of only 1. The diatonic [[major third]] (which can sound like both a major third and a flat fourth depending on context) is an interseptimal interval of 450¢, approximating [[9/7]] and [[13/10]], and the minor third is 262.5¢, approximating [[7/6]]. In addition to the sharp fifth, there is an alternative [[mavila|mavila-like]] flat fifth of 675{{c}} (inherited from [[16edo]]), but it is much more inaccurate than the sharp fifth, so 32edo cannot truly be considered a [[dual-fifth]] system.
The patent val also tempers out [[2048/2025]] in the 5-limit, and [[50/49]] with [[64/63]] in the [[7-limit]], which means it [[support]]s [[pajara]], with a very sharp fifth of 712.5 cents which could be experimented with by those with a penchant for fifths even sharper than the fifth of [[27edo]]; this fifth is in fact very close to the [[minimax tuning]] of the pajara extension [[Diaschismic family #Pajaro|pajaro]], using the 32f val.  


=== Odd harmonics ===
The patent fifth of 32edo can be used to generate a very unequal [[archy]] (specifically [[oceanfront]]) [[5L 2s|diatonic scale]], with a [[chromatic semitone]] of 5 steps and a [[diatonic semitone]] of only 1. The diatonic [[major third]] (which can sound like both a major third and a flat fourth depending on context) is an interseptimal interval of 450{{c}}, approximating [[9/7]] and [[13/10]], and the minor third is 262.5{{c}}, approximating [[7/6]] and [[15/13]]. In the 11-limit 32edo provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[kangaroo]] temperament, tempering out [[55/54]], 64/63, and [[245/242]], whereas the 32c val is equally good for [[progress]]. Both temperaments are generated by a flat [[16/11]] such that three of them reduce to [[3/2]] and six of them reduce to [[8/7]]. The 15-note scale could potentially be used as a [[detempering]] of [[15edo]].
{{Harmonics in equal|32}}


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
Since 32 is a power of two and factors as 2<sup>5</sup>, 32edo contains subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, 8, and 16 }}.
Since 32 is a power of two and factors as 2<sup>5</sup>, 32edo contains subset edos {{EDOs| 2, 4, 8, and 16 }}. The next power of two edo is [[64edo]], doubling 32edo.
 
[[96edo]] is an important superset of both 32edo and [[12edo]], being known for approximating JI very well.


See also [[32nd-octave temperaments]].
See also [[32nd-octave temperaments]].
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! Cents
! Cents
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]
! 13-limit Ratios
! Approximate ratios<br>(13-limit [[patent val]])<ref group="note">Inconsistent intervals are in ''italics''.</ref>
! Other
! Other
|-
|-
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| D
| D
| 1/1
| 1/1
|
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
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| up unison, minor 2nd
| up unison, minor 2nd
| ^D, Eb
| ^D, Eb
| 49/48, 50/49, 45/44
| ''[[25/24]]'', [[45/44]], [[49/48]]
| 46/45, 52/51, 51/50
| 46/45, 52/51, 51/50
|-
|-
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| upminor 2nd
| upminor 2nd
| ^Eb
| ^Eb
| 22/21, 25/24
| [[22/21]], [[26/25]], ''[[33/32]]'', ''[[36/35]]'', ''[[81/80]]''
| 24/23, 23/22
| 24/23, 23/22
|-
|-
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| dupminor 2nd
| dupminor 2nd
| ^^Eb
| ^^Eb
| 16/15
| ''[[13/12]]'', [[15/14]], [[16/15]]
| 49/46
| 49/46
|-
|-
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| dudmajor 2nd
| dudmajor 2nd
| vvE
| vvE
| 12/11, 49/45
| ''[[10/9]]'', [[12/11]], ''[[14/13]]'', [[35/32]]
| 25/23
| 25/23
|-
|-
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| aug 1sn, downmajor 2nd
| aug 1sn, downmajor 2nd
| D#, vE
| D#, vE
| 10/9, 39/35
| ''[[11/10]]''
| 19/17
| 19/17
|-
|-
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| major 2nd
| major 2nd
| E
| E
| 8/7, 25/22
| [[8/7]], ''[[9/8]]''
| 57/50
| 57/50
|-
|-
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| minor 3rd
| minor 3rd
| F
| F
| 7/6, 64/55
| [[7/6]], ''[[13/11]]'', [[15/13]]
| 57/49
| 57/49
|-
|-
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| upminor 3rd
| upminor 3rd
| ^F
| ^F
| 6/5, 32/27
| [[33/28]]
| 19/16
| 19/16
|-
|-
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| dupminor 3rd
| dupminor 3rd
| ^^F
| ^^F
| 11/9, 39/32, 63/52
| ''[[6/5]]'', [[11/9]], [[39/32]]
| 17/14, 28/23
| 17/14, 28/23
|-
|-
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| dudmajor 3rd
| dudmajor 3rd
| vvF#
| vvF#
| 5/4, 26/21, 56/45, 96/77
| [[5/4]], [[16/13]], [[27/22]]
| 36/29
| 36/29
|-
|-
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| downmajor 3rd
| downmajor 3rd
| vF#
| vF#
| 14/11, 33/26, 80/63
| [[14/11]]
| 19/15
| 19/15
|-
|-
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| major 3rd
| major 3rd
| F#
| F#
| 13/10, 35/27, 64/49
| [[9/7]], [[13/10]], ''[[32/25]]'', [[64/49]]
| 22/17, 57/44
| 22/17, 57/44
|-
|-
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| perfect 4th
| perfect 4th
| G
| G
| 4/3, 33/25, 160/121
| [[4/3]], [[21/16]]
| 45/34, 85/64
| 45/34, 85/64
|-
|-
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| up 4th
| up 4th
| ^G
| ^G
| 27/20, 110/81
| [[15/11]]
| 19/14, 23/17
| 19/14, 23/17
|-
|-
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| dup 4th, updim 5th
| dup 4th, updim 5th
| ^^G, ^Ab
| ^^G, ^Ab
| 18/13, 11/8
| [[11/8]], [[48/35]], ''[[27/20]]''
|
|-
|-
| 16
| 16
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| dudaug 4th, dupdim 5th
| dudaug 4th, dupdim 5th
| vvG#, ^^Ab
| vvG#, ^^Ab
| 7/5, 10/7, 99/70, 140/99
| [[7/5]], [[10/7]], [[45/32]], [[64/45]]
| 17/12, 12/17
| 17/12, 12/17
|-
|-
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| downaug 4th, dud 5th
| downaug 4th, dud 5th
| vG#, vvA
| vG#, vvA
| 13/9, 16/11
| [[16/11]], [[35/24]], ''[[40/27]]''
|
|-
|-
| 18
| 18
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| down 5th
| down 5th
| vA
| vA
| 40/27, 81/55
| [[22/15]]
| 28/19, 34/23
| 28/19, 34/23
|-
|-
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| perfect 5th
| perfect 5th
| A
| A
| 3/2, 50/33, 121/80
| [[3/2]], [[32/21]]
| 68/45, 128/85
| 68/45, 128/85
|-
|-
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| minor 6th
| minor 6th
| Bb
| Bb
| 20/13, 54/35, 49/32
| [[14/9]], [[20/13]], ''[[25/16]]'', [[49/32]]
| 17/11, 88/57
| 17/11, 88/57
|-
|-
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| upminor 6th
| upminor 6th
| ^Bb
| ^Bb
| 11/7, 52/33, 63/40
| [[11/7]]
| 30/19
| 30/19
|-
|-
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| dupminor 6th
| dupminor 6th
| ^^Bb
| ^^Bb
| 8/5, 21/13, 45/28, 77/48
| [[8/5]], [[13/8]], [[44/27]]
| 29/18
| 29/18
|-
|-
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| dudmajor 6th
| dudmajor 6th
| vvB
| vvB
| 18/11, 64/39, 104/63
| ''[[5/3]]'', [[18/11]], [[64/39]]
| 28/17, 23/14
| 28/17, 23/14
|-
|-
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| downmajor 6th
| downmajor 6th
| vB
| vB
| 5/3, 27/16
| [[56/33]]
| 32/19
| 32/19
|-
|-
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| major 6th
| major 6th
| B
| B
| 12/7, 55/32
| [[12/7]], ''[[22/13]]'', [[26/15]]
| 98/57
| 98/57
|-
|-
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| minor 7th
| minor 7th
| C
| C
| 7/4, 44/25
| [[7/4]], ''[[16/9]]''
| 100/57
| 100/57
|-
|-
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| upminor 7th
| upminor 7th
| ^C
| ^C
| 9/5, 70/39
| [[20/11]]
| 34/19
| 34/19
|-
|-
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| dupminor 7th
| dupminor 7th
| ^^C
| ^^C
| 11/6, 90/49
| ''[[9/5]]'', [[11/6]], ''[[13/7]]'', [[64/35]]
| 46/25
| 46/25
|-
|-
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| dudmajor 7th
| dudmajor 7th
| vvC#
| vvC#
| 15/8
| [[15/8]], ''[[24/13]]'', [[28/15]]
| 92/49
| 92/49
|-
|-
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| downmajor 7th
| downmajor 7th
| vC#
| vC#
| 21/11, 48/25
| [[21/11]], [[25/13]], ''[[64/33]]'', ''[[35/18]]'', ''[[160/81]]''
| 23/12, 44/23
| 23/12, 44/23
|-
|-
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| major 7th, down 8ve
| major 7th, down 8ve
| C#, vD
| C#, vD
| 96/49, 49/25, 88/45
| ''[[48/25]]'', [[88/45]], [[96/49]]
| 45/23, 51/26, 100/51
| 45/23, 51/26, 100/51
|-
|-
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| 8ve
| 8ve
| D
| D
| 2/1
| [[2/1]]
|  
|  
|}
|}
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| 37.5
| 37.5
| 49/48
| 49/48
| [[Slender]] (32)
| [[Diesic]] (32cf) / [[slender]] (32)
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
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| 15\32
| 15\32
| 562.5
| 562.5
| 7/5
| 16/11
| [[Progress]] (32cf)
| [[Progress]] (32cf) / [[kangaroo]] (32)
|-
|-
| 2
| 2
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|-
|-
| 8
| 8
| 14\33<br>(1\32)
| 1\32
| 487.5<br>(37.5)
| 37.5
| 4/3<br>(36/35)
| 36/35
| [[Octonion]] (32cf)
| [[Octonion]] (32cf)
|-
|-
| 16
| 16
| 14\33<br>(1\32)
| 1\32
| 487.5<br>(37.5)
| 37.5
| 4/3<br>(45/44)
| 45/44
| [[Sedecic]] (32)
| [[Sedecic]] (32)
|}
|}
<nowiki/>* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
<nowiki/>* In [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal-generator form]]


== Delta-rational harmony ==
== Delta-rational harmony ==
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-lMuAYws8 ''Revelation''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-lMuAYws8 ''Revelation''] (2026)


== Notes ==
<references group="note"/>
[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Sixix]]
[[Category:Sixix]]
{{Todo|add scales list}}
{{Todo|add scales list}}