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< [[Gallery of other tempered scales]]</small>
< [[Gallery of other tempered scales]]</small>


These are scales which were first described by users of the Xenharmonic Alliance Discord
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This page documents scales which were first described by users of the [[Xenharmonic Alliance]] Discord.


== A17Forkybest303 35edo shower detemper ==
== A17Forkybest303 35edo shower detemper ==
"35edo detemper using some weird idea i thought in the shower. its kind of a compromise between what i did with 23L 12s, 27L 8s and 79L 19s <7/1> mosses i did. this is just 35L 7s with the small steps coalesced to their average."
"[[35edo]] [[Detempering|detemper]] using some weird idea i thought in the shower. its kind of a compromise between what i did with 23L 12s, 27L 8s and 79L 19s <7/1> [[MOS scale|mosses]] i did. this is just 35L 7s with the small steps coalesced to their average."


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== Domin Zutsz-11 scale ==
== Domin Zutsz-11 scale ==
The zutsz-11 scale is a 10-tone 2.3.7.11 just intonation scale. It was first described by [[Domin]] in July 2024 and then indpendently described again by [[Finky]] in December 2025.
The Zutsz-11 scale is a 10-tone [[2.3.7.11 subgroup|2.3.7.11]] just intonation scale. It was first described by [[Domin]] in July 2024 and then indpendently described again by [[Finky]] in December 2025.


=== Music ===
=== Music ===
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2/1
2/1
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== 12-tone piano tunings recommended by DeltaQuartz (10L 2s diaschismic[12] & 3L 9s augmented[12]) ==
While not ''discovered'' by DeltaQuartz per se, the case they make for these is worth documenting.
 
''"I just stumbled upon some pretty awesome 12-tone piano temperaments that feel like analogues to [[meantone]] but for sharp fifth tunings. One of them is for [[diaschismic]] tunings like {{EDOs|22edo, 34edo, 46edo,}} etc. with a 600c [[period]], giving sweet 5/4 thirds in 8 keys (the same as meantone), a pretty cozy way to explore their [[5-limit]] when these are often tunings that have bizarre layouts otherwise, and tritone sub-able in every key! The other is for [[augmented]] tunings like {{EDOs|15edo, 27edo, 39edo,}} etc. with a 400c period, giving every key the same major third and 6 keys an easy access harmonic 7th as their minor 7th.''
 
''34edo scale: https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/-LxdqOHRh''
 
''39edo scale: https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/-LxZNj2Ub''
 
''For MOS-minded folks, the first scale is [[10L 2s]], the second is [[3L 9s]]."''
 
== FilterNashi majorminth scales ==
{{Wikipedia|Hirajōshi scale}}
"i found a scale tempered 352/351 suspiciously similar to Hirajoshi which is
* 9/8
* 11/9
* 3/2
* 13/8
* 2/1
and 352/351 tempered.
 
 
it's a better approximation than 1-9/8-6/5-3/2-8/5-2/1 known as Hirajoshi Just in the preset scale of [[Scale Workshop]].
 
 
i found a 6-note scale first and its subset of retrovert is suspiciously similar to Hirajoshi - the scale itself is:
* 1-12/11-32/27-4/3-18/11-16/9-2, 352/351 tempered.
 
 
so the scale i found was quite interesting because its a seven-note scale with every interval within [[13-odd-limit]] ([[Rank-3|rank3]])</pre>
 
 
five-note scale found in [[352/351#Temperaments|majorminth]] (tempered 352/351 in the 2.3.11.13 subgroup TE tuning):
* 205.931
* 345.590
* 702.798
* 842.456
* 1199.664"
 
=== Seven-note versions ===
"these two scales are called [[paranice]], due to sharing the same pattern with [[nicetone]].
* [https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/RruKXVr-R Scale Workshop link 1]
* [https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/Rruj0WZvc Scale Workshop link 2]"
 
== finky6319's fun jazzy pentatonic scale ==
* Intervals: 7/6 21/16 11/8 7/4 2/1
* [[Scale Workshop]] link: https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/ZhwE7mmId
* Properties: Subset of [[16afdo]]
 
== Maeve Gutierrez ==
''see [[Maeve Gutierrez]].''
 
== MrTheKing 11:13:16:17:19:22 scale ==
A simple 19-limit pentatonic subset of mode 11 of the harmonic series ([[11afdo]]) described by [[mrtheking]] in December 2025.
<pre>
13/11
16/11
17/11
19/11
22/11
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== Tristanbay 12-tone no-5s 11-limit scale ==
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9/8
7/6
77/64
21/16
11/8
3/2
14/9
77/48
7/4
11/6
2/1</pre>
 
 
 
== Tristanbay 19-tone 2.3.7.17.19 scale ==
== Tristanbay 19-tone 2.3.7.17.19 scale ==
<pre>57/56
<pre>57/56
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== Tristanbay 41fg detemper ==
== Tristanbay 41fg detemper ==
"41fg [[detemper]] with 2 copies of harmonic series mode 16 ([[16afdo]])."
"41fg [[detemper]] with 2 copies of harmonic series mode 16 ([[16afdo]])." ''(See [[warts]], [[41edo]].)''
<pre>49/48
<pre>49/48
33/32
33/32
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2</pre>
2</pre>


== FilterNashi thujo Hirajoshi scales ==
== Xencoder over-23 primodal Hirajoshi ==
i found a scale tempered 352/351 suspiciously similar to Hirajoshi which is
''(See [[primodality]], {{W|Hirajōshi scale}}.)''
9/8
* 51/46
11/9
* 28/23
3/2
* 34/23
13/8
* 73/46
2/1
* 2/1
and 352/351 tempered
 
it's even better approximation than 1-9/8-6/5-3/2-8/5-2/1 known as Hirajoshi Just in the preset scale of ScaleWorkshop.
== Zhea Erose primodal Lydians ==
i found a 6-note scale first and it's subset of retrovert is suspiciously similar to Hirajoshi
''Described by [[Zhea Erose]]. Recommended by [[Xencoder]].''
the scale itself is
 
1-12/11-32/27-4/3-18/11-16/9-2, 352/351 tempered.
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so the scale i found was quite interesting because its a seven-note scale with every interval within 13-odd-limit (rank3)
7b Lydian Heptad
- 14:16:18:20:21:24:27:(28)
- (+2+2+2+1+3+3+1), 2:3:4 concordance frame
 
11b Lydian Heptad
- 22:25:28:31:33:37:42:(44)
- (+3+3+3+2+4+5+2), 2:3:4 concordance frame
 
2e Lydian Heptad
- 32:36:40:45:48:54:60:(64)
  - (+4+4+5+3+6+6+4), 2:3:4 concordance frame
 
17b Lydian Heptad
- 34:38:43:48:51:57:64:(68)
  - (+4+5+5+3+6+7+4), 2:3:4 concordance frame
 
19b Lydian Heptad
- 38:43:48:54:57:64:72:(76)
  - (+5+5+6+3+7+8+4), 2:3:4 concordance frame
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YAML
some tridecimal scales in a few mos pre-images
 
5L2s:
lydian and lydian modmos
    26:29:33:37:39:44:49 tridecimal lydian
    26:28:33:37:39:44:49 tridecimal lydian b2
    26:31:33:37:39:44:49 tridecimal lydian #2
    26:32:33:37:39:44:49 tridecimal lydian hyper^2
    26:29:33:37:41:44:49 tridecimal lydian #5
 
ionian
 
    26:29:33:35:39:44:49 tridecimal ionian
    26:28:33:35:39:44:49 tridecimal ionian b2
 
mixolydian
 
    26:29:33:35:39:44:46 tridecimal mixolydian
    26:29:33:35:39:41:46 tridecimal mixolydian b6
 
dorian
 
    26:29:31:35:39:44:46 tridecimal dorian
    26:28:31:35:39:44:46 tridecimal dorian b2
 
aeolian
 
    26:29:31:35:39:41:46 tridecimal aeolian
 
6L1s:
ryonian
        26:29:32:35:39:43:48 tridecimal ryonian
 
mixoryonian
        26:29:32:35:39:43:46 tridecimal mixoryonian
 
azurian
        26:29:32:35:39:42:46 tridecimal azurian
 
locrial
        26:29:32:35:38:42:46 tridecimal locrial
 
ionial
        26:29:32:34:38:42:46 tridecimal ionial
 
duradian
      26:29:31:34:38:42:46 tridecimal duradian
 
phyradian
      26:28:31:34:38:42:46 tridecimal phyradian
 
5L3s:
dylathian
      26:29:33:34:38:43:44:49 tridecimal dylathian
 
3L2s:
      26:29:33:39:44 tridecimal maj pentatonic
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Scale found in Thulo, which tempered 352/351 in the 2.3.11.13 subgroup TE tuning:
== z4wr autocoltraninatorathingamajig scales ==
* 205.931
;autocoltraninatorathingamajig minor
* 345.590
* https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/eiwMlcYFN
* 702.798
;autocoltraninatorathingamajig major
* 842.456
* https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/eiwEda8OT
* 1199.664


=== Seven-note versions ===
== z4wr-Cutting detempered blues scale ==
* [https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/RruKXVr-R Scale Workshop link 1]
"blues scale detemper attempt in 11-limit based on [https://emusicology.org/article/id/4566/ blues scale analysis by court b cutting]"
* [https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/Rruj0WZvc Scale Workshop link 2]
* https://scaleworkshop.plainsound.org/scale/newCtO1iy


== Maeve Gutierrez ==
== 1madjack1's 'the block' and 'the tesseract'==
''see [[Maeve Gutierrez]].''
''see [[The block and the tesseract]].''


== MrTheKing 11:13:16:17:19:22 scale ==
== 1madjack1's 'random stuff go' scale ==
A simple 19-limit pentatonic subset of mode 11 of the harmonic series ([[11afdo]]) described by [[mrtheking]] in December 2025.
<pre>
<pre>
13/11
53.273
16/11
119.443
17/11
347.408
19/11
720.000
22/11
773.273
839.443
1067.408
1200.000
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== Xencoder over-23 primodal Hirajoshi ==
1madjack1 originally used a different word than 'stuff'. Nonetheless the scale they created (in April 2026) is of musical interest, approximating a bunch of [[13-limit]] intervals within 20 [[cents]] in its various rotations:
* 51/46
{| class="wikitable"
* 28/23
!
* 34/23
!0
* 73/46
!1
* 2/1
!2
!3
!4
!5
!6
!7
!(8)
|-
!1/1
|1/1
|~32/31
|~14/13
|~11/9
|~3/2
|~11/7
|~13/8
|~11/6
|2/1
|-
!~32/31
|1/1
|~26/25
|~13/11
|~22/15
|~3/2
|~11/7
|~9/5
|~31/16
|2/1
|-
!~14/13
|1/1
|~8/7
|~7/5
|~16/11
|~3/2
|~19/11
|~13/7
|~25/13
|2/1
|-
!~11/9
|1/1
|~5/4
|~9/7
|~4/3
|~3/2
|~13/8
|~27/16
|~7/4
|2/1
|-
!~3/2
|1/1
|~32/31
|~14/13
|~11/9
|~4/3
|~15/11
|~7/5
|~8/5
|2/1
|-
!~11/7
|1/1
|~26/25
|~13/11
|~9/7
|~4/3
|~11/8
|~11/7
|~31/16
|2/1
|-
!~13/8
|1/1
|~8/7
|~16/13
|~14/11
|~4/3
|~3/2
|~13/7
|~25/13
|2/1
|-
!~11/6
|1/1
|~13/12
|~9/8
|~7/6
|~4/3
|~13/8
|~27/16
|~7/4
|2/1
|}


== Tristanbay 12-tone no-5s 11-limit scale ==
Budjarn Lambeth recommends [[20edo]], [[72afdo]], or [[85afdo]] (17x5 semi-[[primodality]]) as a tuning for this scale. He recommends the following, vaguely [[pelog]]-like subset for writing melodies:
<pre>33/32
<pre>
9/8
119.443
7/6
347.408
77/64
720.000
21/16
839.443
11/8
1200.000
3/2
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14/9
77/48
7/4
11/6
2/1</pre>


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