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While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths. | While the [[17/1|17th harmonic]] is a cent and a half flat, the harmonics below it are all a little sharp, giving it the sound of a sharp system. Since {{nowrap|58 {{=}} 2 × 29}}, 58edo shares the same excellent perfect fifth with [[29edo]]. It is the last edo to have exactly one [[5L 2s|diatonic]] perfect fifth and no [[5edo]] or [[7edo]] fifths. | ||
The [[19/1|19th]] and [[23/1|23rd]] harmonics are very flat, so it makes sense to use their second-best approximations in the 58hi val. This val is, in fact, one of the first to be [[diamond monotone]] in the 23-odd-limit, past the idiosyncratic 53e val. However, its accuracy is questionable, with primes 19 and 23 being about 13 cents sharp, so one may want to use a larger system like [[62edo]] for the 23-limit instead, which has the added benefit of being meantone. | |||
=== Prime harmonics === | === Prime harmonics === | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|58}} | {{Harmonics in equal|58|columns=11}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|58|columns=11|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of prime harmonics in 58edo (continued)}} | |||
=== As a tuning of other temperaments === | === As a tuning of other temperaments === | ||
As an equal temperament, 58et [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[ | As an equal temperament, 58et [[tempering out|tempers out]] 2048/2025 ([[diaschisma]]) and 1594323/1562500 ([[unicorn comma]]) in the [[5-limit]]; [[126/125]], [[1728/1715]], and [[5120/5103]] in the [[7-limit]]; [[176/175]], [[243/242]], [[441/440]], [[540/539]], and [[896/891]] in the 11-limit; [[144/143]], [[351/350]], [[364/363]] in the 13-limit. It [[support]]s [[hemififths]], [[myna]], [[diaschismic]], [[harry]], [[mystery]], [[buzzard]], [[thuja]] [[regular temperament|temperament]]s plus a number of [[gravity family]] [[extension]]s, and supplies the [[optimal patent val]] for the 7-, 11- and 13-limit diaschismic, 11- and 13-limit hemififths, 11- and 13-limit thuja, and 13-limit myna. It also supplies the optimal patent val for the 13-limit rank-3 temperaments [[thrush]], [[bluebird]], [[aplonis]] and [[jofur]]. | ||
Of all edos which map the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]) to 1 step by patent val, 58edo is the one with the step size closest to 81/80, with one step of 58edo being less than 1{{cent}} narrower than the just interval. | Of all edos which map the syntonic comma ([[81/80]]) to 1 step by patent val, 58edo is the one with the step size closest to 81/80, with one step of 58edo being less than 1{{cent}} narrower than the just interval. | ||
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== Notation == | == Notation == | ||
=== | === Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation === | ||
58edo | [[Stein–Zimmermann–Gould notation]] for 58edo uses sharps and flats combined with quartertone accidentals and arrows: | ||
{{Sharpness- | {{Sharpness-sharp6-szg}} | ||
If double arrows are not desirable, then arrows can be attached to quartertone accidentals: | |||
{{Sharpness- | {{Sharpness-sharp6-qt-szg}} | ||
=== Kite's ups and downs notation === | |||
{{ | 58edo can also be notated with [[Kite's ups and downs notation|Kite's ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, trup, dudsharp, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, trud, dupflat etc. | ||
{{Ups and downs sharpness}} | |||
Half-sharps and half-flats can be used to avoid triple arrows: | |||
{{ | {{Ups and downs sharpness|58|true}} | ||
=== Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation === | === Ivan Wyschnegradsky's notation === | ||
Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used: | Since a sharp raises by six steps, Wyschnegradsky accidentals borrowed from [[72edo]] can also be used: | ||
{{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}} | {{Sharpness-sharp6-iw}} | ||
=== Sagittal notation === | === Sagittal notation === | ||
==== Evo flavor ==== | ==== Evo flavor ==== | ||
{{Sagittal chart|Evo}} | |||
==== Evo-SZ flavor ==== | |||
{{Sagittal chart|Evo-SZ}} | |||
==== Revo flavor ==== | ==== Revo flavor ==== | ||
{{Sagittal chart}} | |||
=== Hemipyth notation === | === Hemipyth notation === | ||
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|+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style) | |+ style="font-size: 105%; white-space: nowrap;" | Hemipyth notation for 58edo (SW3-style) | ||
|- | |- | ||
! | ! # | ||
! Cents | ! Cents | ||
! Note names<br | ! Note names<br>on D | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| 2.3.5 | | 2.3.5 | ||
| 2048/2025, | | 2048/2025, 1594323/1562500 | ||
| {{Mapping| 58 92 135 }} | | {{Mapping| 58 92 135 }} | ||
| −1.29 | | −1.29 | ||
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| 28/27 | | 28/27 | ||
| [[Unicorn]] / alicorn / qilin | | [[Unicorn]] / alicorn / qilin | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 9\58 | |||
| 186.2 | |||
| 10/9 | |||
| [[Mintone]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| 49/40 | | 49/40 | ||
| [[Hemififths]] | | [[Hemififths]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| 21/16 | | 21/16 | ||
| [[Buzzard]] / [[subfourth]] | | [[Buzzard]] / [[subfourth]] | ||
|- | |||
| 1 | |||
| 25\58 | |||
| 517.2 | |||
| 27/20 | |||
| [[Gravity]] / [[abergravity]] / [[gravid]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 1 | | 1 | ||
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| 11/8 | | 11/8 | ||
| [[Thuja]] | | [[Thuja]] | ||
|- | |||
| 2 | |||
| 1\58 | |||
| 20.7 | |||
| 81/80 | |||
| [[Bicommatic]] | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
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|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 4\58 | ||
| | | 82.8 | ||
| | | 21/20 | ||
| [[ | | [[Harry]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 5\58 | ||
| | | 103.4 | ||
| | | 17/16 | ||
| [[ | | [[Diaschismic]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 7\58 | ||
| | | 144.8 | ||
| | | 13/12 | ||
| [[ | | [[Bisemidim]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 8\58 | ||
| | | 165.5 | ||
| | | 11/10 | ||
| [[Echidna]] | | [[Echidna]] / [[supers]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 9\58 | ||
| | | 186.2 | ||
| | | 10/9 | ||
| [[ | | [[Secant]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 2 | | 2 | ||
| | | 12\58 | ||
| | | 248.3 | ||
| | | 15/13 | ||
| [[ | | [[Sruti]] | ||
|- | |- | ||
| 29 | | 29 | ||
| | | 1\58 | ||
| | | 20.7 | ||
| | | 91/90 | ||
| [[Mystery]] | | [[Mystery]] | ||
|} | |} | ||
<nowiki/>* [[ | <nowiki/>* In [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal-generator form]] | ||
58et can also be detempered to [[ | 58et can also be detempered to [[emmthird]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 113 }}), [[semihemi]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 140 }}), [[condor]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 159 }}), and [[eagle]] ({{nowrap| 58 & 212 }}). | ||
== Octave stretch or compression == | == Octave stretch or compression == | ||
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== Scales == | == Scales == | ||
* Baobab{{idio}}: 15 9 10 9 8 7 (approximated from [[30afdo]]) | |||
* [[Compdye]] | * [[Compdye]] | ||
* [[Maeve Gutierrez#Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic|Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic]] | * [[Maeve Gutierrez#Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic|Gutierrez-Lambeth quasi-subharmonic pentatonic]]{{idio}} | ||
* [[Hemif7]] | * [[Hemif7]] | ||
* [[Hemif10]] | * [[Hemif10]] | ||
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; [[Cam Taylor]] | ; [[Cam Taylor]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021) | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Keclakcqie8 ''58EDO, Mystery temperament and 2 rings of Pythagorean on the Lumatone''] (2021) | ||
; [[Xotla]] | |||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkPhjTEQMw "Wormhole Shmurmhole"], from [https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4HmfPDldHXueRjmTV-iJN3fsLn_O9jvT ''Just Another Microtonal Music Album''] (2025–2026) – in part, the rest being in 31edo | |||
[[Category:Buzzard]] | [[Category:Buzzard]] | ||