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[[File:5edo scale.mp3|thumb|A chromatic 5edo scale on C.]]
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If 5edo is regarded as a temperament, which is to say as 5tet, then the most salient fact is that [[16/15]] is [[tempering out|tempered out]]. This means in 5tet the major third and the fourth, and the minor sixth and the fifth, are not distinguished; this is 5-limit [[father]] temperament.
5edo is the basic example of an [[equipentatonic]] scale, containing a sharp but usable [[Perfect fifth (interval region)|perfect fifth]], and can be seen as a simplified form of the familiar [[pentic]] scale. Tertian harmony is possible in 5edo, but barely: the only chords available are suspended chords, which [[Extraclassical tonality|may also be seen as]] inframinor (very flat minor) and ultramajor (very sharp major) chords, due to how sharp the fifth is. As a result, many triads will share the same three notes, so rootedness is much more important to explicitly establish.


Also tempered out is [[27/25]]. If we temper this out in preference to 16/15, we obtain [[bug]], which equates [[10/9]] with [[6/5]], making it a little more perverse even than father. Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5 than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, I–IV–V–I is the same as I–III–V–I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.
In terms of just intonation, 5edo represents the perfect fifth 3/2 and harmonic seventh 7/4 rather accurately for how wide the steps are, with 3 being about 20 cents sharp, and 7 being about 10 cents flat. In 5edo, the perfect fifth is 3 steps, meaning it can be divided into 3 equal parts, each representing the supermajor second 8/7. This is [[slendric]] temperament. Two of these parts make the perfect fourth [[4/3]], which is [[semaphore]] temperament, and finally the harmonic seventh may be found by going up two perfect fourths, which is [[superpyth]] or "archy" temperament. This all means that 5edo contains a very simplified form of the [[2.3.7 subgroup]], and many scales in 2.3.7 take a pentatonic form.


Despite its lack of accuracy, 5edo is the second [[zeta integral edo]], after [[2edo]]. It also is the smallest edo representing the [[9-odd-limit]] [[consistent]]ly, giving a distinct value modulo 5 to 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9. Hence in a way similar to how [[4edo]] can be used, and which is discussed in that article, it can be used to represent [[7-limit]] intervals in terms of their position in a pentad, by giving a triple of integers representing a pentad in the [[The Seven Limit Symmetrical Lattices|lattice]] of tetrads/pentads together with the number of scale steps in 5edo. However, while 2edo represents the [[3-odd-limit]] consistently, 3edo the [[5-odd-limit]], 4edo the [[7-odd-limit]] and 5edo the 9-odd-limit, to represent the [[11-odd-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo]]. Nevertheless, because the comma tempered out for this edo's [[circle of fifths]] is [[256/243]], and since this interval is smaller than half a step, 5edo is the second edo to demonstrate 3-to-2 [[telicity]]—that is, when not counting the comparatively trivial [[1edo]].
With more complex intervals, however, 5edo becomes increasingly inaccurate. For example, the supermajor third 9/7 is the same interval as the perfect fourth, which is a rather inaccurate equivalence (specifically, [[Trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] temperament). However, this can still be used as a third, as referenced in the top paragraph.  


In addition, considering 5edo as a no-5's temperament improves its standing significantly. It is especially prominent as a simple [[2.3.7 subgroup|2.3.7-subgroup]] temperament with high relative accuracy (the next edo doing it better being [[17edo|17]]). It is also the optimal patent val for the no-5's [[trienstonic clan|trienstonic]] (or [[Color notation/Temperament names|Zo]]) temperament, although this temperament is very inaccurate.
If we extend our scope to the full 7-limit (including 5, and thus conventional major and minor thirds), then the most salient fact is that the best approximation of the major third 5/4 is extremely inaccurate, almost a full semitone sharper than just. This results in 5edo supporting several [[Exotemperament|exotemperaments]] when intervals of 5 are introduced. For example, the best 5/4 of 480 cents is in fact the same interval as 4/3, meaning that the semitone that usually separates them, [[16/15]], is [[tempered out]] (which is the very inaccurate [[father]] temperament).


5edo is an example of an [[equipentatonic]] scale.
Exploring more complex intervals, we find that the minor tone [[10/9]] and the minor third [[6/5]] are best mapped to the same step of 240 cents, meaning that the semitone separating them, [[27/25]], is tempered out as well - this is [[bug]] temperament, which is a little more perverse even than father.
 
Because these intervals are so large, this sort of analysis is less significant with 5edo than it becomes with larger and more accurate divisions, but it still plays a role. For example, if we attempt to analyze 5edo as supporting standard [[Diatonic functional harmony|diatonic harmony]], I–IV–V–I is the same as I–III–V–I and involves triads with common intervals because of fourth-thirds equivalence.
 
If 5edo is taken as only a tuning of the 3-limit, we find that the circle of fifths returns to the unison after only 5 steps, rather than 12. This is called [[blackwood]] temperament, and in 5edo, this is a "good" tuning of a circle of fifths - more formally, since the comma being tempered out, the semitone 256/243, is smaller than half a step (120 cents), 5edo demonstrates [[Telicity|3-to-2 telicity]] (and is the third EDO to do so after [[1edo]] and [[2edo]]).
 
5edo is the smallest edo representing the [[9-odd-limit]] [[consistent]]ly, giving a distinct value modulo 5 to 1, 3, 5, 7 and 9 - specifically, 3 is mapped to 3 steps (720 cents), 5 is very inaccurately mapped to 2 steps (480 cents), 7 is mapped to 4 steps (960 cents), and 9 is mapped to 1 step (240 cents). However, while 2edo represents the [[3-odd-limit]] consistently, 3edo the [[5-odd-limit]], 4edo the [[7-odd-limit]] and 5edo the 9-odd-limit, to represent the [[11-odd-limit]] consistently with a [[patent val]] requires going all the way to [[22edo]].
 
Despite its lack of accuracy in the 5-limit, 5edo is the second [[zeta integral edo]], after [[2edo]].


=== Prime harmonics ===
=== Prime harmonics ===
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| 1
| 1
| 240
| 240
| Supermajor second<br>Inframinor third
| Second-inter-third
|  
|  
| [[144/125]] (-4.969)<br>[[125/108]] (-13.076)
| [[144/125]] (-4.969)<br>[[125/108]] (-13.076)
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| 2
| 2
| 480
| 480
| Subfourth
| Fourth
| [[4/3]] (-18.045)
| [[4/3]] (-18.045)
|  
|  
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| 3
| 3
| 720
| 720
| Superfifth
| Fifth
| [[3/2]] (+18.045)
| [[3/2]] (+18.045)
|  
|  
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| 4
| 4
| 960
| 960
| Augmented sixth<br>Subminor seventh
| Sixth-inter-seventh
|  
|  
| [[216/125]] (+13.076)<br>[[125/72]] (+4.969)
| [[216/125]] (+13.076)<br>[[125/72]] (+4.969)
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== Approximation to JI ==
== Approximation to JI ==
=== Selected 7-limit intervals ===
=== Selected 7-limit intervals ===
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== Observations ==
== Observations ==
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* [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid]
* [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:5-tet_scale_on_C.mid]
== Instruments ==
* [[Lumatone mapping for 5edo]]


== Music ==
== Music ==
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[[Category:3-limit record edos|#]] <!-- 1-digit number -->
[[Category:5-tone scales]]
[[Category:5-tone scales]]
[[Category:7-limit]]
[[Category:9-odd-limit]]