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=== 1 star (fail) ===

~~===== ''Gamelic'' =====~~

Another name for [[slendric]] temperament but much worse. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "[[gamelan]]". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by gamelan orchestras. Which it is not.

~~Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high.~~

~~Fortunately the name "gamelic" never really caught on and isn't widely used.~~

==== ''Maqamic'' ====

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===== Possible alternative names? =====

* "Pelographic" = "pelog approximated with RTT graphs"

* "Pelographic" = "pelog approximated with RTT graphs", also sounds like "geographic" reflecting the cross cultural collaboration involved in discovering the temperament

* "Pelogismic" = “a full 7 limit temperament generated by the pelogic comma” (no existing temperament is called pelogismic so the name is free)

* "Peloglike" = "bears a likeness to pelog"

* "Pelogram" = "pelog approximated with RTT diagrams"

* "Pelomatic" = "pelog approximated with mathematics"

;Difficulty of renaming - ~~Low~~. ~~I don't know of temperaments named after pelogic nor much~~ written about it~~, so it should be painless to change~~.

;Difficulty of renaming - Medium. There is a moderate amount written about it around the wiki.

==== Srutal, shrutar, sruti ====

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===== Possible alternative names? =====

* "~~Srutan~~, ~~shrutaric~~ & srutinic" = Resembles [[diatonic]] mode names, which makes sense on many levels:

* "Srutalic, shrutaran & srutinic":

** [[Meantone]] and its diatonic modes are a kind of ‘sister tuning’ of srutal ~~due~~ to:

** Resembles [[diatonic]] mode names, which makes sense on many levels

*** both ~~being~~ generated by [[3/2]]

*** These temperaments are a compromise or a fusion between Indian shruti theory and Western diatonic-descended [[MOS]] and RTT theory, so it’s fitting for the names to be a hybrid of the two

*** both ~~having~~ exceptionally low [[complexity]] and [[badness]] in the 2.3.5 subgroup

*** [[Meantone]] and its diatonic modes are a kind of ‘sister tuning’ of srutal, so it’s fitting for the names of concepts in each to be faint echoes of the other:

*** both ~~having~~ [[12edo]] as their smallest viable [[equal tuning]]

**** both are generated by [[3/2]]

** ~~These~~ temperaments are ~~a compromise or a fusion between Indian~~ shruti ~~theory~~ and ~~Western diatonic-descended~~ [[~~MOS~~]] and ~~RTT theory, so it’s fitting for the names to be a hybrid of the two~~

**** both display exceptionally low [[complexity]] and [[badness]] in the 2.3.5 subgroup

* "Qrutal, qrutar & qruti" = The short "q" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating [[5-limit]] JI~~, it also~~ evokes the word “queen”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of [[low harmonic entropy linear temperaments]]

**** both have [[12edo]] as their smallest viable [[equal tuning]]

* "Zurutal, zurutar & zuruti" = The letter z represents the winding path the temperaments took across the world

* "Krutal, krutar & kruti" = The short "k" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating 5-limit JI

* "Zurutal, zurutar & zuruti":

** The letter Z looks like a big barn door with the diagonal beam to stabilise it, representing how simple yet stable srutal is and how much harmonic weight it can bear with very few notes

** The letter Z looks like the long winding road the temperaments took across the world to become what they are here and now

** The letter Z calls to mind the idea of “alpha and omega”, of infinity and timelessness, representing the ancient tradition of shruti, and the cyclic nature of Hindu cosmology and the way that is reflected in the cyclic nature of the [[:Category:22-tone scales|22-tone]] scale of generators and periods

* "Qrutal, qrutar & qruti":

** The short "q" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating [[5-limit]] JI.

** letter Q evokes the word “queen”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of [[low harmonic entropy linear temperaments]]

* "Krutal, krutar & kruti":

** The short "k" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating 5-limit JI

** The letter K evokes the word “king”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of low harmonic entropy linear temperaments

;Difficulty of renaming - Very high. Lots of other temperaments are named in reference to these, lots of music and theory has been written with these, it'd be a massive pain.

=== 2 stars (fail) ===

==== Buzurgic ====

[[169/168|Buzurgic]] temperament is named for the buzurg aka buzurk [[genus]] by [[Safi al-Din Urmavi]].

It is good that it gives credit for its inspiration, however the name is way too similar to “buzurg” to the point where musicologists could easily mix up the two, and it could serve to erase or muddy the definition of the original.

The name '''dhavantaric''' has been proposed to replace “buzurgic”, however it is [[169/168#Etymology|unclear]] what the origin of that name is so it’s hard to tell if it’s better or worse by the criteria of this list. It might be a reference to a Hindu god, or to a Pali or Kannada word, in which case it is only a better name if the temperament is actually related to one of those cultures’ musical traditions, not if it is arbitrary.

===== Possible alternative names? =====

* "Dhavantaric" = a proposed alternate name, but we need to check first whether it gives credit to a relevant cultural influence

* "Buzzlike" = "bears a likeness to buzurg", but also refers to the buzzing sound of its pseudo-unison comma of about 10 cents

* "Buzzmatic" = "buzurg approximated with mathematics", but also refers to the buzzing sound of its pseudo-unison comma of about 10 cents

* "Buzurgram" = "buzurg approximated with RTT diagrams"

* "Buzurgism" = named after its defining comma, the “buzurgisma”.^

<small> ^''(Not “buzurgismic”, because that is already taken by a full 7 limit temperament - “ismic” usually implies “not a subgroup temperament”, hence just “ism”) instead)'' </small>

;Difficulty of renaming - Very low. I don't know of temperaments named after buzurg nor much written about it, so it should be painless to change.

==== Slendric ====

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"Slendric" used to be called "wonder", so maybe we can bring that name back?

===== ''Gamelic'' =====

Another name for slendric temperament but equally as bad. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "[[gamelan]]". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by gamelan orchestras. Which it is not.

Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high.

Fortunately the name "gamelic" never really caught on and isn't widely used.

===== Possible alternative names? =====

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* "Slendrolike" = "bears a likeness to slendro"

* "Slendagram" = "slendro approximated with RTT diagrams"

* "Gamelism" = named after its defining comma, the “gamelisma”.^

<small> ^''(Not “gamelismic”, because that is already taken by a full 7 limit temperament - “ismic” usually implies “not a subgroup temperament”, hence just “ism”) instead)'' </small>

;Difficulty of renaming - ~~Low~~. ~~I don't know~~ of temperaments ~~named after slendric nor much written about it, so it should be painless~~ to ~~change~~.

;Difficulty of renaming - High. Slendric is mentioned quite a bit around the place, it is one of few temperaments to have a dedicated [[lumatone]] mapping listed on the wiki.

=== 3 stars (pass) ===

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Rishi gets a ''barely'' passing grade.

==== Slendi ====

It is unclear whether [[slendi]] temperament is related to slendro or not. If it is, then this name is very good because it gives credit without being close enough to get confused. If that’s the case, then it should be moved up to 5 stars.

If it is not, however, the name is a tad too close to slendro, and risks benefiting off of an association with slendro that doesn’t exist. It isn’t close enough to warrant a name change, but it’s close enough that it can’t score any higher than 3 stars.

==== Slendrismic ====

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The name is still maybe just a tad too close to the maqam, but it's pretty good.

==== Buzurgismic ====

[[Buzurgismic chords|Buzurgismic]] temperament is named for the buzurg aka buzurk [[genus]] by [[Safi al-Din Urmavi]].

It is good that it gives credit for its inspiration, and the name is still distinct enough from “buzurg” that musicologists are unlikely to confuse the two, so buzurgismic will likely serve to bring much deserved attention to the original genus, rather than erasing it.

==== Injera ====

[[Injera]] temperament is named after an [[Ethopian]] flatbread, because [[26edo]] supports it and the Ethiopian alphabet has 26 letters. A slightly goofy reason for a name, and the temperament doesn't have much to do with Ethopia, but it's not stealing anything, and it might encourage people to check out Ethopian breadmaking, so that's quite neat.

[[Injera]] temperament is named after an [[Ethopian]] flatbread, because [[26edo]] supports it and the Ethiopian alphabet has 26 letters.

Admittedly a slightly goofy reason for a name, and the temperament doesn't have much to do with Ethopia, but it's not stealing anything, and it might encourage people to check out Ethopian breadmaking, so that's quite neat.

==== Kartvelian^ ====

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=== 5 stars (high distinction) ===

==== Biyativice ====

[[2646/2645|Biyativice]] is a vicesimotertial ([[23-limit]]) temperament [[Temper out|tempering out]] the biyatisma (same one that defines the biyatismic temperament). The name does a good job of clearly showing it’s inspired by biyati, while also showing that it’s different, and part of ''how'' it’s different (it involves [[23/1|harmonic 23]]). A very solid name!

==== Mavila ====

[[Mavila]] is not directly named after a traditional [[African|Chopi]] tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used.

[[Mavila]] temperament is not directly named after a traditional [[African|Chopi]] tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used.

This is a great way to go about it, I think.

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-===== ''Gamelic'' =====
-Another name for [[slendric]] temperament but much worse. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "[[gamelan]]". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by gamelan orchestras. Which it is not.
-Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high.
-Fortunately the name "gamelic" never really caught on and isn't widely used.
 ==== ''Maqamic'' ====
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 ===== Possible alternative names? =====
-* "Pelographic" = "pelog approximated with RTT graphs"
+* "Pelographic" = "pelog approximated with RTT graphs", also sounds like "geographic" reflecting the cross cultural collaboration involved in discovering the temperament
+* "Pelogismic" = “a full 7 limit temperament generated by the pelogic comma” (no existing temperament is called pelogismic so the name is free)
 * "Peloglike" = "bears a likeness to pelog"
 * "Pelogram" = "pelog approximated with RTT diagrams"
 * "Pelomatic" = "pelog approximated with mathematics"
-;Difficulty of renaming - Low. I don't know of temperaments named after pelogic nor much written about it, so it should be painless to change.
+;Difficulty of renaming - Medium. There is a moderate amount written about it around the wiki.
 ==== Srutal, shrutar, sruti ====
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 ===== Possible alternative names? =====
-* "Srutan, shrutaric & srutinic" = Resembles [[diatonic]] mode names, which makes sense on many levels:
+* "Srutalic, shrutaran & srutinic":
-** [[Meantone]] and its diatonic modes are a kind of ‘sister tuning’ of srutal due to:
+** Resembles [[diatonic]] mode names, which makes sense on many levels
-*** both being generated by [[3/2]]
+*** These temperaments are a compromise or a fusion between Indian shruti theory and Western diatonic-descended [[MOS]] and RTT theory, so it’s fitting for the names to be a hybrid of the two
-*** both having exceptionally low [[complexity]] and [[badness]] in the 2.3.5 subgroup
+*** [[Meantone]] and its diatonic modes are a kind of ‘sister tuning’ of srutal, so it’s fitting for the names of concepts in each to be faint echoes of the other:
-*** both having [[12edo]] as their smallest viable [[equal tuning]]
+**** both are generated by [[3/2]]
-** These temperaments are a compromise or a fusion between Indian shruti theory and Western diatonic-descended [[MOS]] and RTT theory, so it’s fitting for the names to be a hybrid of the two
+**** both display exceptionally low [[complexity]] and [[badness]] in the 2.3.5 subgroup
-* "Qrutal, qrutar & qruti" = The short "q" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating [[5-limit]] JI, it also evokes the word “queen”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of [[low harmonic entropy linear temperaments]]
+**** both have [[12edo]] as their smallest viable [[equal tuning]]
-* "Zurutal, zurutar & zuruti" = The letter z represents the winding path the temperaments took across the world
-* "Krutal, krutar & kruti" = The short "k" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating 5-limit JI
+* "Zurutal, zurutar & zuruti":
+** The letter Z looks like a big barn door with the diagonal beam to stabilise it, representing how simple yet stable srutal is and how much harmonic weight it can bear with very few notes
+** The letter Z looks like the long winding road the temperaments took across the world to become what they are here and now
+** The letter Z calls to mind the idea of “alpha and omega”, of infinity and timelessness, representing the ancient tradition of shruti, and the cyclic nature of Hindu cosmology and the way that is reflected in the cyclic nature of the [[:Category:22-tone scales|22-tone]] scale of generators and periods
+* "Qrutal, qrutar & qruti":
+** The short "q" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating [[5-limit]] JI.
+** letter Q evokes the word “queen”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of [[low harmonic entropy linear temperaments]]
+* "Krutal, krutar & kruti":
+** The short "k" sound represents how nimble and efficient the tunings are at approximating 5-limit JI
+** The letter K evokes the word “king”, alluding to srutal’s elevated position at the top of the ranking of low harmonic entropy linear temperaments
 ;Difficulty of renaming - Very high. Lots of other temperaments are named in reference to these, lots of music and theory has been written with these, it'd be a massive pain.
 === 2 stars (fail) ===
+==== Buzurgic ====
+[[169/168|Buzurgic]] temperament is named for the buzurg aka buzurk [[genus]] by [[Safi al-Din Urmavi]].
+It is good that it gives credit for its inspiration, however the name is way too similar to “buzurg” to the point where musicologists could easily mix up the two, and it could serve to erase or muddy the definition of the original.
+The name '''dhavantaric''' has been proposed to replace “buzurgic”, however it is [[169/168#Etymology|unclear]] what the origin of that name is so it’s hard to tell if it’s better or worse by the criteria of this list. It might be a reference to a Hindu god, or to a Pali or Kannada word, in which case it is only a better name if the temperament is actually related to one of those cultures’ musical traditions, not if it is arbitrary.
+===== Possible alternative names? =====
+* "Dhavantaric" = a proposed alternate name, but we need to check first whether it gives credit to a relevant cultural influence
+* "Buzzlike" = "bears a likeness to buzurg", but also refers to the buzzing sound of its pseudo-unison comma of about 10 cents
+* "Buzzmatic" = "buzurg approximated with mathematics", but also refers to the buzzing sound of its pseudo-unison comma of about 10 cents
+* "Buzurgram" = "buzurg approximated with RTT diagrams"
+* "Buzurgism" = named after its defining comma, the “buzurgisma”.^
+<small> ^''(Not “buzurgismic”, because that is already taken by a full 7 limit temperament - “ismic” usually implies “not a subgroup temperament”, hence just “ism”) instead)'' </small>
+;Difficulty of renaming - Very low. I don't know of temperaments named after buzurg nor much written about it, so it should be painless to change.
 ==== Slendric ====
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 "Slendric" used to be called "wonder", so maybe we can bring that name back?
+===== ''Gamelic'' =====
+Another name for slendric temperament but equally as bad. The term "gamelic" is very easily confused with the term "[[gamelan]]". That risks implying this temperament is identical to the ones used by gamelan orchestras. Which it is not.
+Imagine saying "gamelic scales" - musicologists could easily assume you mean "scales used in gamelan music". The potential for confusion is too high.
+Fortunately the name "gamelic" never really caught on and isn't widely used.
 ===== Possible alternative names? =====
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 * "Slendrolike" = "bears a likeness to slendro"
 * "Slendagram" = "slendro approximated with RTT diagrams"
+* "Gamelism" = named after its defining comma, the “gamelisma”.^
+<small> ^''(Not “gamelismic”, because that is already taken by a full 7 limit temperament - “ismic” usually implies “not a subgroup temperament”, hence just “ism”) instead)'' </small>
-;Difficulty of renaming - Low. I don't know of temperaments named after slendric nor much written about it, so it should be painless to change.
+;Difficulty of renaming - High. Slendric is mentioned quite a bit around the place, it is one of few temperaments to have a dedicated [[lumatone]] mapping listed on the wiki.
 === 3 stars (pass) ===
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 Rishi gets a ''barely'' passing grade.
+==== Slendi ====
+It is unclear whether [[slendi]] temperament is related to slendro or not. If it is, then this name is very good because it gives credit without being close enough to get confused. If that’s the case, then it should be moved up to 5 stars.
+If it is not, however, the name is a tad too close to slendro, and risks benefiting off of an association with slendro that doesn’t exist. It isn’t close enough to warrant a name change, but it’s close enough that it can’t score any higher than 3 stars.
 ==== Slendrismic ====
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 The name is still maybe just a tad too close to the maqam, but it's pretty good.
+==== Buzurgismic ====
+[[Buzurgismic chords|Buzurgismic]] temperament is named for the buzurg aka buzurk [[genus]] by [[Safi al-Din Urmavi]].
+It is good that it gives credit for its inspiration, and the name is still distinct enough from “buzurg” that musicologists are unlikely to confuse the two, so buzurgismic will likely serve to bring much deserved attention to the original genus, rather than erasing it.
 ==== Injera ====
-[[Injera]] temperament is named after an [[Ethopian]] flatbread, because [[26edo]] supports it and the Ethiopian alphabet has 26 letters. A slightly goofy reason for a name, and the temperament doesn't have much to do with Ethopia, but it's not stealing anything, and it might encourage people to check out Ethopian breadmaking, so that's quite neat.
+[[Injera]] temperament is named after an [[Ethopian]] flatbread, because [[26edo]] supports it and the Ethiopian alphabet has 26 letters.
+Admittedly a slightly goofy reason for a name, and the temperament doesn't have much to do with Ethopia, but it's not stealing anything, and it might encourage people to check out Ethopian breadmaking, so that's quite neat.
 ==== Kartvelian^ ====
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 === 5 stars (high distinction) ===
+==== Biyativice ====
+[[2646/2645|Biyativice]] is a vicesimotertial ([[23-limit]]) temperament [[Temper out|tempering out]] the biyatisma (same one that defines the biyatismic temperament). The name does a good job of clearly showing it’s inspired by biyati, while also showing that it’s different, and part of ''how'' it’s different (it involves [[23/1|harmonic 23]]). A very solid name!
 ==== Mavila ====
-[[Mavila]] is not directly named after a traditional [[African|Chopi]] tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used.
+[[Mavila]] temperament is not directly named after a traditional [[African|Chopi]] tuning, but is instead named after a village where that tuning was used.
 This is a great way to go about it, I think.