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== Neutral Thirds (compressed) Lumatone mappings ==
=== 17edo (demonstrated to work) ===
A neutral thirds Lumatone mapping of intermediate compression is available for [[17edo]], with a [[3L 1s]] scale having a 5:2 step ratio, as shown in [[Bryan Deister]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0sQ3Hk02s04 ''17edo improv''] (2026-08-10). The range is just under 8½ octaves, with the octaves close enough to level and just not quite enough repeated notes to split this layout into two complete manuals.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=17|start=2|xstep=5|ystep=-3}}
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== Fog-Related Neutral Seconds Lumatone mappings ==
=== 63edo (demonstrated to work) ===
In [[63edo]], it is possible to divide the octave into three parts, each 21\63 being a mildly sharp fwiwismic major third ~[[44/35]] (or more accurately but less practically, a near-just undetricesimal major third ~[[29/23]]), with a [[3L&nbsp;3s]] scale (13:8 step ratio), similar to [[Misty_family#Fog|fog]]. Unlike actual fog, the generator is a slightly flat undecimal neutral second ~[[12/11]], with the layout being designed for easy access to intervals that are close to common consonant intervals, but different (including the generator itself). The range is over five octaves, which is too much to include all of the notes in a standard-sized Lumatone. Despite the missing notes, [[Bryan Deister]] has used this mapping in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NwcS36rurOI ''63edo improv''] (2026-08-03), with the xenharmonic intervals forming a sound flavor that seems both Gaelic and Middle-Eastern.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=63|start=42|xstep=8|ystep=5}}
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== Sevond-related Lumatone mappings ==
=== 63edo (demonstrated to work) ===
Since [[63edo]] is a multiple of 7edo, it can be used with a mapping that divides the octave into seven parts in the manner of [[whitewood]], but with more accuracy due to having a much better fifth; in this case, the actual temperament is related to [[sevond]], but unlike actual sevond, it uses a near-just septimal minor second ~[[7/6]] as its generator, which is 1/7-octave-reduced from 14\63 to 5\63. The 1/7-octave (9\63) is mapped most practically as a slightly flat undevicesimal submajor second ~[[21/19]], resulting in the reduced generator (5\63) being a slightly sharp large undevicesimal semitone ~[[19/18]]. [[Bryan Deister]] has used this mapping in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/SQsDGSmEVQw ''63edo double improv''] (2026). The range is 4⅓ octaves (with only one repeated note in each octave), which slope upwards with the rows.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=63|start=59|xstep=9|ystep=-4}}
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== Kleismic + Würschmidt Lumatone mappings ==
=== 34edo (demonstrated to work) ===
It is possible to accommodate both [[kleismic]] (stacking classic minor thirds) and [[würschmidt]] (stacking classic major thirds) temperaments in a [[34edo]] mapping by using a rotated [[3L&nbsp;1s]] scale (9:7 step ratio), as demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKblQe375pw ''34edo bossa''] (2026). This mapping puts both the classic minor third ~[[6/5]] and the classic major third ~[[5/4]] (both just slightly sharp) right next to both the root note and the fifth ~[[3/2]], as 9\34 (one key down-right) and 11\34 (one key right), respectively. This comes at the cost of missing some notes (including some instances of note 0) due to trying to get too much range (close to ten octaves) to fit them all on a standard-sized Lumatone, as well as causing the octaves to alternate between near and far. (Note that in the demo video, the range appears far less due to mapping of only a single MIDI channel.)
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=34|start=21|xstep=11|ystep=-2}}
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== Amity Lumatone mappings ==
== Amity Lumatone mappings ==
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=== 87edo (flipped and rotated) (demonstrated to work but awaiting approval) ===
=== 87edo (2 mappings demonstrated to work) ===


It is possible to lay out [[87edo]] with a [[3L&nbsp;5s]] mapping using the generator 14\87, which quasi-meantone ~[[19/17]], which is composed of highly inaccurate harmonics whose errors nearly cancel out, rendering it near-just; two of them make an essentially just classic major third ~[[5/4]]. (In contrast to actual [[meantone]] temperament, 87edo represents ~19/17, ~[[10/9]], and ~[[9/8]] as distinct intervals &mdash; the syntonic comma [[81/80]] is not tempered out, and instead the aureusma [[1445/1444]] equates two quasi-meantones to a classic major third.) In this mapping key right is 9\87, which functions as a flat tridecimal 2/3-tone ~[[14/13]] and a sharp septimal diatonic semitone ~[[15/14]]. This mapping makes it easy to play melodies that sound very diatonic despite the scale being non-diatonic, with octaves sloping moderately down, and a range of over three octaves (although with large partial octaves chopped off by the upper left and lower right corners), which is a bit too much for 87edo, resulting in some missed notes even in the middle octaves. Despite the missing notes, [[Bryan Deister]] has used this mapping in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8mHBYBfRjy4 ''87edo improv''] (2026).
It is possible to lay out [[87edo]] using the generator 14\87, which quasi-meantone ~[[19/17]], which is composed of highly inaccurate harmonics whose errors nearly cancel out, rendering it near-just; two of them make an essentially just classic major third ~[[5/4]]. (In contrast to actual [[meantone]] temperament, 87edo represents ~19/17, ~[[10/9]], and ~[[9/8]] as distinct intervals &mdash; the syntonic comma [[81/80]] is not tempered out, and instead the aureusma [[1445/1444]] equates two quasi-meantones to a classic major third.)


{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=87|start=86|xstep=9|ystep=5}}
==== Flipped and Rotated ====


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In the flipped and rotated verions with a [[3L&nbsp;5s]] scale (14:9 step ratio)the above-mentioned 14\87 generator is one key down-right, while key right is 9\87, which functions as a flat tridecimal 2/3-tone ~[[14/13]] and a sharp septimal diatonic semitone ~[[15/14]]. This mapping makes it easy to play melodies that sound very diatonic despite the scale being non-diatonic, with octaves sloping moderately down, and a range of over three octaves (although with large partial octaves chopped off by the upper left and lower right corners), which is a bit too much for 87edo, resulting in some missed notes even in the middle octaves. Despite the missing notes, [[Bryan Deister]] has used this mapping in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8mHBYBfRjy4 ''87edo improv''] (2026).


=== 87edo (demonstrated to work) ===
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=87|start=0|xstep=9|ystep=5}}


[[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated a [[11L&nbsp;5s]] (7:2 step ratio) mapping for [[87edo]] in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rINJKiMQE78 ''Circuit Bent - Stomach Book (microtonal cover in 87edo)''] (2025). The generator 14\87, which is two keys right from the root note, is the quasi-meantone ~[[19/17]], which is composed of highly inaccurate harmonics whose errors nearly cancel out, rendering it near-just; two of them make an essentially just classic major third ~[[5/4]]. (In contrast to actual [[meantone]] temperament, 87edo represents ~19/17, ~[[10/9]], and ~[[9/8]] as distinct intervals &mdash; the syntonic comma [[81/80]] is not tempered out, and instead the aureusma [[1445/1444]] equates two quasi-meantones to a classic major third.) Since this interval is two keys right instead of just one (as needed to avoid missing notes), this version of the temperament can be viewed as a split generator version, in which each ~19/17 is split into two equal intervals that function as both a small septendecimal semitone ~[[18/17]] and a large undevicesimal semitone ~[[19/18]], both being close to just (and the photisma [[324/323]] is tempered out). Although no second generator is needed to reach all of the notes, for convenience, down-right by one key (2\87) can be used for convenience as a second generator that functions as ~[[49/48]] (inconsistently mapped), ~[[55/54]], ~[[64/63]], ~[[65/64]], and ~[[81/80]], of which the septimal chroma ~64/63 is near-just, and four of these make a near-just classic diatonic semitone ~[[16/15]] (the currently unnamed unnoticeable comma [[5250987/5242880]] is tempered out). The range is somewhat over two octaves (which slant very slightly downwards) with no missed notes and some repeated notes to mitigate vertical wraparounds.
==== Split Generator ====
 
A split generator version of the above mapping returns to mostly horizontal progression with a [[11L&nbsp;5s]] scale (7:2 step ratio). As in the previous mapping, the generator 14\87 is the quasi-meantone ~[[19/17]], but in this case, it is two keys right, making this a split generator version of the mapping, in which each ~19/17 is split into two equal intervals that function as both a small septendecimal semitone ~[[18/17]] and a large undevicesimal semitone ~[[19/18]], both being close to just (and the photisma [[324/323]] is tempered out). Although no second generator is needed to reach all of the notes, for convenience, down-right by one key (2\87) can be used for convenience as a second generator that functions as ~[[49/48]] (inconsistently mapped), ~[[55/54]], ~[[64/63]], ~[[65/64]], and ~[[81/80]], of which the septimal chroma ~64/63 is near-just, and four of these make a near-just classic diatonic semitone ~[[16/15]] (the currently unnamed unnoticeable comma [[5250987/5242880]] is tempered out). The range is somewhat over two octaves (which slant very slightly downwards) with no missed notes and some repeated notes to mitigate vertical wraparounds. [[Bryan Deister]] has demonstrated this mapping in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rINJKiMQE78 ''Circuit Bent - Stomach Book (microtonal cover in 87edo)''] (2025).


{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=87|start=6|xstep=7|ystep=-5}}
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=87|start=6|xstep=7|ystep=-5}}


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== Aureus Pseudo-Meantone + Mediantone + Roulette + Hemiwürschmidt + Hemiwur Lumatone mappings ==
== Aureus Pseudo-Meantone + Mediantone + Roulette + Hemiwürschmidt + Hemiwur Lumatone mappings ==
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=== 49edo (demonstrated to work) ===
=== 49edo (demonstrated to work) ===


The septimal minor third ~[[7/6]] (11\49) of [[49edo]] is near-just, which suggests its use as a generator, as in [[Orwell]]; however, it is too close to just for actual Orwell eemperament, and so a stack of it manages to miss all of the intervals characteristic of Orwell, other than a fairly flat classic minor sixth ~[[8/5]] &mdash; hence [[Orwellismic_temperaments#Infraorwell|infraorwell]]. It is possible to produce a forward chroma [[4L&nbsp;5s]] (gramitonic, 6:5 step ratio) infraorwell mapping for 49edo, as demonstrated in [[Bryan Deister]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pK-JcIrd18 Deltarune – ''Man'' (cover)] (2023) and (very differently) in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V8t7MyP2Nuo ''microtonal improv in 49edo''] (2024). This mapping gets all notes in each octave and has a range of a bit over 4 octaves with repeated notes to mitigate vertical wraparounds; the octaves alternate between near/far and middle, with double octaves sloping slightly upwards.
The septimal minor third ~[[7/6]] (11\49) of [[49edo]] is only mildly sharp, which suggests its use as a generator, as in [[Orwell]]; however, it is too close to just for actual Orwell eemperament, and so a stack of it manages to miss all of the intervals characteristic of Orwell, other than a fairly flat classic minor sixth ~[[8/5]] &mdash; hence [[Orwellismic_temperaments#Infraorwell|infraorwell]]. It is possible to produce a forward chroma [[4L&nbsp;5s]] (gramitonic, 6:5 step ratio) infraorwell mapping for 49edo, as demonstrated in [[Bryan Deister]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pK-JcIrd18 Deltarune – ''Man'' (cover)] (2023) and (very differently) in [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V8t7MyP2Nuo ''microtonal improv in 49edo''] (2024). This mapping gets all notes in each octave and has a range of a bit over 4 octaves with repeated notes to mitigate vertical wraparounds; the octaves alternate between near/far and middle, with double octaves sloping slightly upwards.


{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=49|start=33|xstep=6|ystep=-1}}
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=49|start=33|xstep=6|ystep=-1}}


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=== 67edo (2 mappings demonstrated to work) ===
=== 67edo (2 mappings demonstrated to work) ===
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== Neutral Thirds (Compressed) Lumatone mappings ==
== Neutral Thirds (Compressed) Lumatone mappings ==
=== 17edo (demonstrated to work) ===
It is possible to compress neutral thirds for [[17edo]] down to a [[1L&nbsp;2s]] scale with a 7:5 step ratio, (or with a bit of backtracking, [[3L&nbsp;1s]] with a 5:2 step ratio), as shown in [[Bryan Deister]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8o8bxgzqr5U ''17edo improv''] (2026-07-21). The octaves slope downwards gently, with the range including eleven complete octaves (although it appears less in the demo video due to mapping to just one MIDI channel), making it tempting to divide this layout horizontally into zones for different instruments.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=17|start=8|xstep=5|ystep=2}}
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=== 24edo (demonstrated to work) ===
=== 24edo (demonstrated to work) ===
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== Semisept Lumatone mappings ==
=== 49edo (demonstrated to work) ===
An alternative to [[infraorwell]] for [[49edo]] (using 11\49 as a mildly sharp ~[[7/6]]) is to take the octave complement (38\49 as a mildly flat septimal major sixth ~[[12/7]]) and split it in half, to get a 19\49 as a near-just undecimal sub-fourth ~[[72/55]] (constituted from a numerator and denominator having huge errors that nearly cancel out), producing a [[5L&nbsp;3s]] scale with an 8:3 step ratio. This is an oneirotonic scale of which the large steps sound deceptively diatonic (being only moderately flat of a direct-mapped Pythagorean whole tone ~[[9/8]]), as demonstrated in [[Bryan Deister]]'s [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNswQ1-1nlM&list=WL&index=275 ''<nowiki>Prelude in 49edo [short clip]</nowiki>''] (2026). The range is nearly 4⅔ octaves, which slope down mildly, with no missed notes and only a few repeated notes.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=49|start=4|xstep=8|ystep=-5}}
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== Sensei Lumatone mappings ==
== Sensei Lumatone mappings ==