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::::::::::::: I will have to train for it. Also, Rameau's Tempérament Ordinaire has its 2 sharp fifths almost equal to the fifth of 22EDO (just a bit under 3 cents sharp of it, if I did my arithmetic right). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 10:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello! It's been a while. I'm now curious as to whether I should split up my current article on functional harmony into different parts, and what other elements I need to cover in terms of the functions of notes versus the functions of chords and stuff such as that. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:01, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

: Well, it is long enough that it probably merits splitting into different parts, although off the top of my head, I am not sure of the best way to organize them.

: For additions, it has been a while since I did a full read-through, so I may have missed something, but in a brief scan to refresh memory, I think of how it seems a bit diatonic-focused (understandably, since so much music is diatonic), so could use more coverage of other scales — the mention of the work of Ivan Wyschnegradsky is a start in that direction. The 24edo works of Ivan Wyschnegradsky are where my earlier questions about temperaments supporting [[11L 2s]] came from, since he explicitly wrote about that. I have also been going down a real rabbit hole trying to figure out what he did with 36edo (is it [[17L 2s]]?), and it has been such a rabbit hole with my guess of 17L 2s that may or may not be right) that I think I ought to call the associated temperament rank-2 clan/family Wonderland (and maybe Kaninchenbau for the related rank-3 clan/family) if I ever get it organized into a decent description of a temperament clan/family (right now, of course, its all fused together with the rest of the stuff in my [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Musical Mad Science|Musical Mad Science]] page as one awful unfinished mess that looks like the aftermath of a transporter accident, and it's not the only one of my pages needing reorganization, either).

: And that brings me to a discovery that at first seems like a tangent to your question, but might actually be relevant: I figured out that unlike 11L 2s, 17L 2s has a standard diatonic scale embedded in it, with the whole tones of the diatonic (5L 2s) scale being divided into third-tones, and the diatonic semitone being divided into a third-tone plus a sub-diatonic sixth-tone (alternatively, if you don't divide the diatonic semitone, then you get the parent scale [[2L 15s]] in the range equalized to basic). So that would give you an easy way to transition from diatonic-oriented scale degrees and regions to something beyond.

: Also, since we last corresponded, Levi McClain came out with a video about ancient Greek scales that you might want to see: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfduDXnwN_0 ''The Nearly Lost Ancient Scale of Archytas''] (2025).

: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:49, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

== The Accuracy Fever Dream ==

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== ~~Valentine~~ Lumatone mappings ==

== Various Lumatone mappings ==

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Moved to [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Keyboard Layout Lab|Keyboard Layout lab]]: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

== 11L 2s talk page ==

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: . . . More specifically, I would like to see (but have no way to generate) some music examples in 11L 2s like the really good ones in 5L 3s, which also has a link to a page of relevant temperaments. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

: And now I've moved the ramble to a sub-page of my user page, leaving in the part about the diatonicized chromaticism temperament for now, and adding the specific enhancement wish for a Music Samples section on the 11L 2s page itself. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

== Notability guidelines review ==

We are drafting a proposal for new notability guidelines, you can find it at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].

You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think of them, or if you have any objections.

Thank you! – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:50, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

: Thanks — posted comments in the Talk page for that. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

== Cataloguing musical works ==

This Bryan Deister guy has lots of "microtonal covers". Plz make sure to recognize the original composers for them and place them correspondingly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:54, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

: Usually (almost always) the name of the original composer is embedded in his title. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 15:16, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

: . . . But if you want, I will extract that instead of just copying/pasting. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 16:06, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

:: Yeah I think it's best to do a little bit of research on the original works' album/suite and year of release and link them properly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:38, 9 May 2026 (UTC)

::: Did this for 29edo and 41edo. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 17:07, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

:::: Right, thank you. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 17:24, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

::: Did this for 0edo through 18edo (affected: 15edo 2 pieces and 17edo 10 pieces). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 03:41, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

::: Did this for 20edo through 22edo (affected: 22edo 2 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister, 1 microtonal cover by Delta Quartz, and 1 microtonal cover by Stephen Weigel). Still need to do 19edo, 23edo through 28edo, 30edo through 40edo, and 42edo and beyond. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 02:46, 22 May 2026 (UTC)

::: Did this for 50edo (affected: 5 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

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 ::::::::::::: I will have to train for it.  Also, Rameau's Tempérament Ordinaire has its 2 sharp fifths almost equal to the fifth of 22EDO (just a bit under 3 cents sharp of it, if I did my arithmetic right).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 10:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
+Hello!  It's been a while.  I'm now curious as to whether I should split up my current article on functional harmony into different parts, and what other elements I need to cover in terms of the functions of notes versus the functions of chords and stuff such as that. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:01, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
+: Well, it is long enough that it probably merits splitting into different parts, although off the top of my head, I am not sure of the best way to organize them.
+: For additions, it has been a while since I did a full read-through, so I may have missed something, but in a brief scan to refresh memory, I think of how it seems a bit diatonic-focused (understandably, since so much music is diatonic), so could use more coverage of other scales &mdash; the mention of the work of Ivan Wyschnegradsky is a start in that direction.  The 24edo works of Ivan Wyschnegradsky are where my earlier questions about temperaments supporting [[11L&nbsp;2s]] came from, since he explicitly wrote about that.  I have also been going down a real rabbit hole trying to figure out what he did with 36edo (is it [[17L&nbsp;2s]]?), and it has been such a rabbit hole with my guess of 17L&nbsp;2s that may or may not be right) that I think I ought to call the associated temperament rank-2 clan/family Wonderland (and maybe Kaninchenbau for the related rank-3 clan/family) if I ever get it organized into a decent description of a temperament clan/family (right now, of course, its all fused together with the rest of the stuff in my [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Musical Mad Science|Musical Mad Science]] page as one awful unfinished mess that looks like the aftermath of a transporter accident, and it's not the only one of my pages needing reorganization, either).
+: And that brings me to a discovery that at first seems like a tangent to your question, but might actually be relevant:  I figured out that unlike 11L&nbsp;2s, 17L&nbsp;2s has a standard diatonic scale embedded in it, with the whole tones of the diatonic (5L&nbsp;2s) scale being divided into third-tones, and the diatonic semitone being divided into a third-tone plus a sub-diatonic sixth-tone (alternatively, if you don't divide the diatonic semitone, then you get the parent scale [[2L&nbsp;15s]] in the range equalized to basic).  So that would give you an easy way to transition from diatonic-oriented scale degrees and regions to something beyond.
+: Also, since we last corresponded, Levi McClain came out with a video about ancient Greek scales that you might want to see:  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfduDXnwN_0 ''The Nearly Lost Ancient Scale of Archytas''] (2025).
+: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:49, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
 == The Accuracy Fever Dream ==
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 [[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Musical_Mad_Science#The_Accuracy_Fever_Dream|Moved here]] [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
-== Valentine Lumatone mappings ==
+== Various Lumatone mappings ==
-[[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Musical_Mad_Science#Valentine_Lumatone_mappings_.28proposed_and_untested_for_sizes_other_than_31edo.29|Moved here]] [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
+Moved to [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Keyboard Layout Lab|Keyboard Layout lab]]:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
 == 11L 2s talk page ==
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 : . . . More specifically, I would like to see (but have no way to generate) some music examples in 11L 2s like the really good ones in 5L 3s, which also has a link to a page of relevant temperaments.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
 : And now I've moved the ramble to a sub-page of my user page, leaving in the part about the diatonicized chromaticism temperament for now, and adding the specific enhancement wish for a Music Samples section on the 11L 2s page itself.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
+== Notability guidelines review ==
+We are drafting a proposal for new notability guidelines, you can find it at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].
+You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think of them, or if you have any objections.
+Thank you! – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:50, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
+: Thanks &mdash; posted comments in the Talk page for that.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
+== Cataloguing musical works ==
+This Bryan Deister guy has lots of "microtonal covers". Plz make sure to recognize the original composers for them and place them correspondingly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:54, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
+: Usually (almost always) the name of the original composer is embedded in his title.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 15:16, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
+: . . . But if you want, I will extract that instead of just copying/pasting.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 16:06, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
+:: Yeah I think it's best to do a little bit of research on the original works' album/suite and year of release and link them properly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:38, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: Did this for 29edo and 41edo.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 17:07, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
+:::: Right, thank you. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 17:24, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: Did this for 0edo through 18edo (affected: 15edo 2 pieces and 17edo 10 pieces).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 03:41, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: Did this for 20edo through 22edo (affected:  22edo 2 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister, 1 microtonal cover by Delta Quartz, and 1 microtonal cover by Stephen Weigel).  Still need to do 19edo, 23edo through 28edo, 30edo through 40edo, and 42edo and beyond.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 02:46, 22 May 2026 (UTC)
+::: Did this for 50edo (affected:  5 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)