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Lucius Chiaraviglio

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::::::::::::: I will have to train for it.  Also, Rameau's Tempérament Ordinaire has its 2 sharp fifths almost equal to the fifth of 22EDO (just a bit under 3 cents sharp of it, if I did my arithmetic right).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 10:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::::::::: I will have to train for it.  Also, Rameau's Tempérament Ordinaire has its 2 sharp fifths almost equal to the fifth of 22EDO (just a bit under 3 cents sharp of it, if I did my arithmetic right).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 10:46, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
Hello!  It's been a while.  I'm now curious as to whether I should split up my current article on functional harmony into different parts, and what other elements I need to cover in terms of the functions of notes versus the functions of chords and stuff such as that. --[[User:Aura|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura|talk]]) 18:01, 6 September 2025 (UTC)
: Well, it is long enough that it probably merits splitting into different parts, although off the top of my head, I am not sure of the best way to organize them.
: For additions, it has been a while since I did a full read-through, so I may have missed something, but in a brief scan to refresh memory, I think of how it seems a bit diatonic-focused (understandably, since so much music is diatonic), so could use more coverage of other scales — the mention of the work of Ivan Wyschnegradsky is a start in that direction.  The 24edo works of Ivan Wyschnegradsky are where my earlier questions about temperaments supporting [[11L 2s]] came from, since he explicitly wrote about that.  I have also been going down a real rabbit hole trying to figure out what he did with 36edo (is it [[17L 2s]]?), and it has been such a rabbit hole with my guess of 17L 2s that may or may not be right) that I think I ought to call the associated temperament rank-2 clan/family Wonderland (and maybe Kaninchenbau for the related rank-3 clan/family) if I ever get it organized into a decent description of a temperament clan/family (right now, of course, its all fused together with the rest of the stuff in my [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Musical Mad Science|Musical Mad Science]] page as one awful unfinished mess that looks like the aftermath of a transporter accident, and it's not the only one of my pages needing reorganization, either).
: And that brings me to a discovery that at first seems like a tangent to your question, but might actually be relevant:  I figured out that unlike 11L 2s, 17L 2s has a standard diatonic scale embedded in it, with the whole tones of the diatonic (5L 2s) scale being divided into third-tones, and the diatonic semitone being divided into a third-tone plus a sub-diatonic sixth-tone (alternatively, if you don't divide the diatonic semitone, then you get the parent scale [[2L 15s]] in the range equalized to basic).  So that would give you an easy way to transition from diatonic-oriented scale degrees and regions to something beyond.
: Also, since we last corresponded, Levi McClain came out with a video about ancient Greek scales that you might want to see:  [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfduDXnwN_0 ''The Nearly Lost Ancient Scale of Archytas''] (2025).
: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 21:49, 6 September 2025 (UTC)


== The Accuracy Fever Dream ==
== The Accuracy Fever Dream ==


This morning I had this weird fever dream about an increasingly futile effort to achieve perfect 5-limit and 7-limit accuracy by way of representation of pitches using DNA fragments (which I sometimes have to manipulate in my day job, although not for the purpose of representing pitches — that's a new one on me). DNA fragments representing the [[syntonic comma]], the [[schisma]], the [[64/63|septimal comma]], and the [[garischisma]] were in little tubes of DNA, but as the commas got divided up in the ever more frantic quest for accuracy, the tubes of increasingly chopped-up DNA fragments representing increasingly smaller comma fractions got all mixed up into ''little pieces parts'' that nobody could any longer keep track of, and eventually I had to give up and pick some no-longer-identified DNA fragment representing (maybe) a random syntonic comma fragment and make a post with it concluding that we had reached saturation to the point of [[just-noticeable difference]] in the quest for accuracy, and that [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H5WKuQ-an0 ''parts is parts''].  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 20:18, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Lucius_Chiaraviglio/Musical_Mad_Science#The_Accuracy_Fever_Dream|Moved here]] [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)


== Valentine Lumatone mappings (proposed and untested for sizes other than 31edo) ==
== Various Lumatone mappings ==


31edo (copied from Lumatone mapping for 31edo, for which playability has been demonstrated):
Moved to [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio/Keyboard Layout Lab|Keyboard Layout lab]]:  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 06:56, 28 March 2025 (UTC)
[[The Universe of Music]] has used the following layout, demonstrated in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK1JQWefj-s ''Her Gentle Touch''] (2025). In this video, even notes are mapped to red keys, and odd notes are mapped to purple keys). This layout uses the [[valentine]] as its scale of construction, inspired by the Ultra-Compressed version of the [[Lumatone mapping for porcupine]], but even more compressed.  Octaves are in horizontal rows, but stretched out over a large distance (which would be even longer if the layout were not made extremely compressed), so that the range is just slightly over 3 octaves (not counting some gamut fragments in the upper left and lower right corners), while notes are repeated multiple times vertically (at a slant), which allows an easy reach for octaves and other intervals that would require very long fingers if only available purely horizontally.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=31|start=0|xstep=2|ystep=3}}


46edo:
== 11L 2s talk page ==
Octaves start to slant down a bit.  Playability not tested.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=46|start=0|xstep=3|ystep=4}}


61edo:
Hi Lucius, I wonder if your new topic on [[Talk:11L 2s]] would actually be more appropriate as a user page, since it isn't really a discussion about how to improve the page, but rather some personal insight on the topic itself, unless you were specifically asking for feedback or for approval towards merging the contents into the page. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 04:18, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
Octaves slant down more, but all notes still represented at least once.  Playability not tested.
: I actually did have the wish to get the concepts (but not the ramble) into the 11L 2s page ''or a related page (although not one known to me at this time — would presumably be a relevant temperament page, but I can't find one)'', or I wouldn't have put it into Talk:11L 2s. But right now I haven't thought of a good way to do so — hence to changes to the actual page.  But I have also been thinking of making some of my user pages, pending figuring out a good way to organize them, and would certainly be willing to move the contents into one of these, leaving behind a link to such a page as a hint of need to integrate some concepts into the 11L 2s or a related page.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=61|start=0|xstep=4|ystep=5}}
: . . . More specifically, I would like to see (but have no way to generate) some music examples in 11L 2s like the really good ones in 5L 3s, which also has a link to a page of relevant temperaments. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
: And now I've moved the ramble to a sub-page of my user page, leaving in the part about the diatonicized chromaticism temperament for now, and adding the specific enhancement wish for a Music Samples section on the 11L 2s page itself.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 09:33, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
 
== Notability guidelines review ==
 
We are drafting a proposal for new notability guidelines, you can find it at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].
You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think of them, or if you have any objections.


76edo:
Thank you! – [[User:Sintel|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel|talk]]) 23:50, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
Octaves slant down severely, but all notes still represented at least once.  Playability not tested.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=76|start=0|xstep=5|ystep=6}}


77edo:
: Thanks — posted comments in the Talk page for that.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:30, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Octaves now slant up; all notes still represented at least once.  Playability not tested.
{{Lumatone EDO mapping|n=77|start=0|xstep=5|ystep=6}}


[[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 12:02, 11 March 2025 (UTC)
== Cataloguing musical works ==
This Bryan Deister guy has lots of "microtonal covers". Plz make sure to recognize the original composers for them and place them correspondingly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 10:54, 9 May 2026 (UTC)


== 11L 2s talk page ==
: Usually (almost always) the name of the original composer is embedded in his title.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 15:16, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
: . . . But if you want, I will extract that instead of just copying/pasting.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 16:06, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
 
:: Yeah I think it's best to do a little bit of research on the original works' album/suite and year of release and link them properly. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 18:38, 9 May 2026 (UTC)
 
::: Did this for 29edo and 41edo.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 17:07, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
 
:::: Right, thank you. —[[User:FloraC|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC|talk]]) 17:24, 11 May 2026 (UTC)
 
::: Did this for 0edo through 18edo (affected: 15edo 2 pieces and 17edo 10 pieces).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 03:41, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
 
::: Did this for 20edo through 22edo (affected:  22edo 2 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister, 1 microtonal cover by Delta Quartz, and 1 microtonal cover by Stephen Weigel).  Still need to do 19edo, 23edo through 28edo, 30edo through 40edo, and 42edo and beyond.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 02:46, 22 May 2026 (UTC)


Hi Lucius, I wonder if your new topic on [[Talk:11L 2s]] would actually be more appropriate as a user page, since it isn't really a discussion about how to improve the page, but rather some personal insight on the topic itself, unless you were specifically asking for feedback or for approval towards merging the contents into the page. --[[User:Fredg999|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999|talk]]) 04:18, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
::: Did this for 50edo (affected:  5 microtonal covers by Bryan Deister).  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 05:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)
: I actually did have the wish to get the concepts (but not the ramble) into the 11L 2s page ''or a related page (although not one known to me at this time — would presumably be a relevant temperament page, but I can't find one)'', or I wouldn't have put it into Talk:11L 2s. But right now I haven't thought of a good way to do so — hence to changes to the actual page.  But I have also been thinking of making some of my user pages, pending figuring out a good way to organize them, and would certainly be willing to move the contents into one of these, leaving behind a link to such a page as a hint of need to integrate some concepts into the 11L 2s or a related page. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 07:57, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
: . . . More specifically, I would like to see (but have no way to generate) some music examples in 11L 2s like the really good ones in 5L 3s, which also has a link to a page of relevant temperaments.  [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio|talk]]) 11:26, 13 March 2025 (UTC)
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