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== Theory ==

Up to this point, all the multiples of 5 have had the 720{{c}} blackwood ~~5th~~ as their best approximation of 3/2. 35edo combined the small circles of blackwood and whitewood ~~5ths~~, almost equally far from just, requiring the use of both to reach all keys. 40edo adds a diatonic ~~5th~~ that's closer to just. However, it is still the second flattest diatonic ~~5th~~, only exceeded by 47edo in error, which results in it being inconsistent in the 5-limit - combining the best ~~major~~ and ~~minor third~~ will result in the blackwood ~~5th~~ instead. So some may not consider it a valid perfect fifth.

Up to this point, all the multiples of 5 have had the 720{{c}} [[blackwood]] fifth as their best approximation of [[3/2]]. 35edo combined the small circles of blackwood and whitewood fifths, almost equally far from just, requiring the use of both to reach all keys. 40edo adds a diatonic fifth that's closer to just. However, it is still the second flattest diatonic fifth, only exceeded by 47edo in error, which results in it being inconsistent in the [[5-limit]] - combining the best 5/4 (390{{c}}) and the best 6/5 (330{{c}}) will result in the blackwood fifth instead. So some may not consider it a valid perfect fifth.

Despite all keys being reachable by stacking this ~~5th~~, it does not qualify as meantone either, ~~tempering~~ out [[177147/163840]] and [[1053/1024]] in the patent val instead of [[81/80]], ~~which means 4 5ths~~ make a near perfect [[16/13|tridecimal neutral ~~3rd~~]] and it takes a full 11 to reach the 5th harmonic.

Despite all keys being reachable by stacking this fifth, it does not qualify as meantone either. Instead, it supports [[deeptone]], which tempers out [[177147/163840]] and [[1053/1024]] in the patent val instead of [[81/80]], meaning that four fifths make a near perfect [[16/13|tridecimal neutral third (16/13)]] and it takes a full 11 fifths (i.e. at the augmented third) to reach the 5th harmonic.

81/80 is only tempered out in the 40c alternative val where the aforementioned high neutral ~~3rd~~ is equated with 5/4 instead of the much more accurate 390-cent interval. The resulting [[5L 2s]] scale has large steps of 6 intervals and small ones of 5, putting sharps and flats right next to letters without any ups or downs in between and requiring a lot of them to notate more distant keys~~. It tempers out [[648/625]] in the 5-limit; [[225/224]] and [[16807/16384]] in the 7-limit; [[99/98]], [[121/120]] and [[176/175]] in the 11-limit; and [[66/65]] in the 13-limit~~.

40edo tempers out [[648/625]] in the 5-limit; [[225/224]] and [[16807/16384]] in the [[7-limit]]; [[99/98]], [[121/120]] and [[176/175]] in the [[11-limit]] - tuning [[orwell]] though highly suboptimally; and [[66/65]] in the 13-limit.

81/80 is only tempered out in the 40c alternative [[val]] where the aforementioned high neutral third is equated with 5/4 instead of the much more accurate 390-cent interval. The resulting [[5L 2s]] scale has large steps of 6 intervals and small ones of 5, putting sharps and flats right next to letters without any ups or downs in between and requiring a lot of them to notate more distant keys.

=== Odd harmonics ===

40edo is most accurate on the 2.9.5.21.33.13.51.19.23 [[k*N_subgroups| 2*40 subgroup]], where it offers the same tuning as [[80edo|80edo]], and tempers out the same commas. It is also the first equal temperament to approximate both the 23rd and 19th harmonic, by tempering out the 9 cent comma to 4-edo, with 10 divisions therein.

40edo can be treated as a [[dual-fifth system]] in the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11 subgroup, or the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11.13.19.23 subgroup for those who aren’t intimidated by lots of [[basis element]]s. Both of its fifths ~~have low enough [[harmonic entropy]] to~~ sound [[consonant]] to many listeners.

40edo can be treated as a [[dual-fifth system]] in the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11 subgroup, or the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11.13.19.23 subgroup for those who aren’t intimidated by lots of [[basis element]]s. Both of its fifths can sound [[consonant]] to many listeners.

== Intervals ==

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== Instruments ==

* [[Lumatone mapping for 40edo]]

== Music ==

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; [[Stephen Weigel]]

* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLmaQK10aYM ''Ĥ̶̩̠̐Ä̶̝͙́̓Ȑ̸̢͒K̷̥̩͌͑!̵̙͆̄ THE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS SING!''] (2025; mostly in 42edo, but also some in 40edo)

** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE77rwCsGHw live performance of the above in Munich, Germany] (2026)

~~== Instruments ==~~

* [~~[Lumatone mapping for 40edo]~~]

[[Category:Listen]]

[[Category:Todo:add rank 2 temperaments table]]

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 == Theory ==
-Up to this point, all the multiples of 5 have had the 720{{c}} blackwood 5th as their best approximation of 3/2. 35edo combined the small circles of blackwood and whitewood 5ths, almost equally far from just, requiring the use of both to reach all keys. 40edo adds a diatonic 5th that's closer to just. However, it is still the second flattest diatonic 5th, only exceeded by 47edo in error, which results in it being inconsistent in the 5-limit - combining the best major and minor third will result in the blackwood 5th instead. So some may not consider it a valid perfect fifth.
+Up to this point, all the multiples of 5 have had the 720{{c}} [[blackwood]] fifth as their best approximation of [[3/2]]. 35edo combined the small circles of blackwood and whitewood fifths, almost equally far from just, requiring the use of both to reach all keys. 40edo adds a diatonic fifth that's closer to just. However, it is still the second flattest diatonic fifth, only exceeded by 47edo in error, which results in it being inconsistent in the [[5-limit]] - combining the best 5/4 (390{{c}}) and the best 6/5 (330{{c}}) will result in the blackwood fifth instead. So some may not consider it a valid perfect fifth.
-Despite all keys being reachable by stacking this 5th, it does not qualify as meantone either, tempering out [[177147/163840]] and [[1053/1024]] in the patent val instead of [[81/80]], which means 4 5ths make a near perfect [[16/13|tridecimal neutral 3rd]] and it takes a full 11 to reach the 5th harmonic.
+Despite all keys being reachable by stacking this fifth, it does not qualify as meantone either. Instead, it supports [[deeptone]], which tempers out [[177147/163840]] and [[1053/1024]] in the patent val instead of [[81/80]], meaning that four fifths make a near perfect [[16/13|tridecimal neutral third (16/13)]] and it takes a full 11 fifths (i.e. at the augmented third) to reach the 5th harmonic.
-/80 is only tempered out in the 40c alternative val where the aforementioned high neutral 3rd is equated with 5/4 instead of the much more accurate 390-cent interval. The resulting [[5L 2s]] scale has large steps of 6 intervals and small ones of 5, putting sharps and flats right next to letters without any ups or downs in between and requiring a lot of them to notate more distant keys. It tempers out [[648/625]] in the 5-limit; [[225/224]] and [[16807/16384]] in the 7-limit; [[99/98]], [[121/120]] and [[176/175]] in the 11-limit; and [[66/65]] in the 13-limit.
+edo tempers out [[648/625]] in the 5-limit; [[225/224]] and [[16807/16384]] in the [[7-limit]]; [[99/98]], [[121/120]] and [[176/175]] in the [[11-limit]] - tuning [[orwell]] though highly suboptimally; and [[66/65]] in the 13-limit.
+/80 is only tempered out in the 40c alternative [[val]] where the aforementioned high neutral third is equated with 5/4 instead of the much more accurate 390-cent interval. The resulting [[5L 2s]] scale has large steps of 6 intervals and small ones of 5, putting sharps and flats right next to letters without any ups or downs in between and requiring a lot of them to notate more distant keys.
 === Odd harmonics ===
 edo is most accurate on the 2.9.5.21.33.13.51.19.23 [[k*N_subgroups| 2*40 subgroup]], where it offers the same tuning as [[80edo|80edo]], and tempers out the same commas. It is also the first equal temperament to approximate both the 23rd and 19th harmonic, by tempering out the 9 cent comma to 4-edo, with 10 divisions therein.
-edo can be treated as a [[dual-fifth system]] in the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11 subgroup, or the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11.13.19.23 subgroup for those who aren’t intimidated by lots of [[basis element]]s. Both of its fifths have low enough [[harmonic entropy]] to sound [[consonant]] to many listeners.
+edo can be treated as a [[dual-fifth system]] in the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11 subgroup, or the 2.3+.3-.5.7.11.13.19.23 subgroup for those who aren’t intimidated by lots of [[basis element]]s. Both of its fifths can sound [[consonant]] to many listeners.
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 == Intervals ==
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+== Instruments ==
+* [[Lumatone mapping for 40edo]]
 == Music ==
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 ; [[Stephen Weigel]]
 * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLmaQK10aYM ''Ĥ̶̩̠̐Ä̶̝͙́̓Ȑ̸̢͒K̷̥̩͌͑!̵̙͆̄ THE BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGELS SING!''] (2025; mostly in 42edo, but also some in 40edo)
+** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE77rwCsGHw live performance of the above in Munich, Germany] (2026)
-== Instruments ==
-* [[Lumatone mapping for 40edo]]
 [[Category:Listen]]
 [[Category:Todo:add rank 2 temperaments table]]