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== Theory == | == Theory == | ||
Since {{nowrap| | Since 38 factors as {{nowrap|2 × 19}}, 38edo can be thought of as two parallel chains of [[19edo]]. It provides a possible correction to the [[11/1|11th harmonic]] of 19edo, which works well with 19edo's flat approximations of the [[3/1|3rd]] and [[5/1|5th]] harmonics, making it a decent [[2.3.5.11 subgroup|2.3.5.11-subgroup]] system. Compared to 19edo, the halving of the step size lowers [[consistency]], and leaves it only mediocre in terms of overall [[relative interval error|relative error]]. However, the fact that the 3rd and 5th harmonics are flat by almost exactly the same amount, while the 11th is close to double that, means there are quite a few near-perfect composite ratios, such as the the [[6/5]] it shares with 19edo, plus [[11/9]], [[15/11]], [[25/22]], and their [[octave complement]]s, while a single step nears [[55/54]]. The approximation to [[11/9]] in particular should be noted for forming a 10-strong [[consistent circle]]. This gives several interesting possibilities for unusual near-just chords such as 15:18:22:25:30. | ||
Using the [[patent val]], it [[tempering out|tempers out]] the same [[5-limit]] commas as 19edo, namely [[81/80]], [[3125/3072]] and [[15625/15552]]. In the [[7-limit]], we can add [[50/49]], and tempering out 81/80 and 50/49 gives [[injera]] temperament, for which 38 is the [[optimal patent val]] in the 7-limit. In the [[11-limit]], we can add [[121/120]] and [[176/175]], and in the [[13-limit]] we can add [[66/65]] and [[144/143]]. 38edo patently supports [[mohajira]] up to the 13-limit. While the [[7/1|7th]] and [[13/1|13th]] harmonics themselves are improved compared to 19edo, many other intervals involving these harmonics become less accurate, so whether 38edo actually corrects them is debatable. | |||
Instead, the [[val]] {{val| 38 60 88 '''106''' 131 '''140''' 155 161 }} (38df in [[wart notation]]) can be used, where the [[2.3.5.7.13 subgroup|2.3.5.13-subgroup]] mapping of 19edo is preserved, while harmonics [[11/1|11]], [[17/1|17]], and [[19/1|19]] are corrected. In 38df, every [[odd harmonic]] from 3 to 19 is characterized by a flat intonation. Furthermore, the [[mapping]]s of all [[19-odd-limit]] intervals in 38df align with their closest approximations in 38edo, except for 7/4, 13/8, and their octave complements 8/7 and 16/13, which are by definition mapped to their second-closest steps within 38df. The 38df mapping thus creates a natural full [[19-limit]] extension to the 2.3.5.7.13-subgroup mapping of 19edo. | |||
The harmonic series from 1 to 20 is approximated within 38df by the sequence: {{nowrap| 38 22 16 12 10 8 8 6 6 5 5 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 }} | The harmonic series from 1 to 20 is approximated within 38df by the step sequence: {{nowrap| 38 22 16 12 10 8 8 6 6 5 5 4 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 }} | ||
[[File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3]] [[:File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3|[Harmonic series 2-20 in 38df]]] | [[File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3]] [[:File:Harmonic_series_38df.mp3|[Harmonic series 2-20 in 38df]]] | ||
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{| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | {| class="wikitable center-1 right-2" | ||
|- | |- | ||
! Step | ! rowspan="3" | Step | ||
! Cents | ! rowspan="3" | Cents | ||
! | ! colspan="3" | Approximated ratios | ||
! colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]* | ! rowspan="3" colspan="3" | [[Ups and downs notation]]*<br>([[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|EUs]]: vvA1 and vvd2) | ||
([[Enharmonic unisons in ups and downs notation|EUs]]: vvA1 and vvd2) | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | Ratios of the <br>2.3.5.11.17.19 subgroup | |||
! colspan="2" | Ratios of 7 and 13 | |||
|- | |||
! Patent val | |||
! 38df val | |||
|- | |- | ||
| 0 | | 0 | ||
| 0.0 | | 0.0 | ||
| | | [[1/1]] | ||
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| Perfect 1sn | | Perfect 1sn | ||
| P1 | | P1 | ||
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| 1 | | 1 | ||
| 31.6 | | 31.6 | ||
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| Up 1sn | | Up 1sn | ||
| ^1 | | ^1 | ||
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| 2 | | 2 | ||
| 63.2 | | 63.2 | ||
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| Aug 1sn, dim 2nd | | Aug 1sn, dim 2nd | ||
| A1, d2 | | A1, d2 | ||
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| 94.7 | | 94.7 | ||
| [[20/19]], [[19/18]], [[18/17]], [[17/16]] | | [[20/19]], [[19/18]], [[18/17]], [[17/16]] | ||
| ''[[15/14]]'' | |||
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| Upaug 1sn, downminor 2nd | | Upaug 1sn, downminor 2nd | ||
| ^A1, vm2 | | ^A1, vm2 | ||
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| 4 | | 4 | ||
| 126.3 | | 126.3 | ||
| [[16/15]] | | [[16/15]] | ||
| [[14/13]] | |||
| [[15/14]], [[14/13]], [[13/12]] | |||
| Minor 2nd | | Minor 2nd | ||
| m2 | | m2 | ||
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| 157.9 | | 157.9 | ||
| [[12/11]], [[11/10]] | | [[12/11]], [[11/10]] | ||
| ''[[13/12]]'' | |||
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| Mid 2nd | | Mid 2nd | ||
| ~2 | | ~2 | ||
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| 189.5 | | 189.5 | ||
| [[10/9]], [[19/17]], [[9/8]] | | [[10/9]], [[19/17]], [[9/8]] | ||
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| Major 2nd | | Major 2nd | ||
| M2 | | M2 | ||
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| 221.1 | | 221.1 | ||
| [[17/15]] | | [[17/15]] | ||
| [[8/7]], ''[[15/13]]'' | |||
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| Upmajor 2nd | | Upmajor 2nd | ||
| ^M2 | | ^M2 | ||
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| 8 | | 8 | ||
| 252.6 | | 252.6 | ||
| [[ | | [[22/19]] | ||
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| ''[[8/7]]'', [[15/13]], [[7/6]] | |||
| Aug 2nd, Dim 3rd | | Aug 2nd, Dim 3rd | ||
| A2, d3 | | A2, d3 | ||
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| 9 | | 9 | ||
| 284.2 | | 284.2 | ||
| [[20/17]], [[ | | [[20/17]], [[19/16]] | ||
| ''[[7/6]]'' | |||
| [[13/11]] | |||
| Downminor 3rd | | Downminor 3rd | ||
| vm3 | | vm3 | ||
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| 315.8 | | 315.8 | ||
| [[6/5]] | | [[6/5]] | ||
| ''[[13/11]]'', ''[[17/14]]'' | |||
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| Minor 3rd | | Minor 3rd | ||
| m3 | | m3 | ||
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| 11 | | 11 | ||
| 347.4 | | 347.4 | ||
| [[ | | [[11/9]] | ||
| [[16/13]] | |||
| [[17/14]] | |||
| Mid 3rd | | Mid 3rd | ||
| ~3 | | ~3 | ||
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| 12 | | 12 | ||
| 378.9 | | 378.9 | ||
| [[ | | [[5/4]] | ||
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| ''[[16/13]]'' | |||
| Major 3rd | | Major 3rd | ||
| M3 | | M3 | ||
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| 13 | | 13 | ||
| 410.5 | | 410.5 | ||
| [[24/19]], [[19/15]] | | [[24/19]], [[19/15]] | ||
| ''[[9/7]]'' | |||
| [[14/11]] | |||
| Upmajor 3rd, Downdim 4th | | Upmajor 3rd, Downdim 4th | ||
| ^M3, vd4 | | ^M3, vd4 | ||
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| 14 | | 14 | ||
| 442.1 | | 442.1 | ||
| [[ | | [[22/17]] | ||
| ''[[14/11]]'', ''[[17/13]]'' | |||
| [[9/7]], [[13/10]] | |||
| Aug 3rd, dim 4th | | Aug 3rd, dim 4th | ||
| A3, d4 | | A3, d4 | ||
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| 15 | | 15 | ||
| 473.7 | | 473.7 | ||
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| ''[[13/10]]'' | |||
| [[17/13]] | | [[17/13]] | ||
| Down 4th | | Down 4th | ||
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| 505.3 | | 505.3 | ||
| [[4/3]] | | [[4/3]] | ||
| ''[[19/14]]'' | |||
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| Perfect 4th | | Perfect 4th | ||
| P4 | | P4 | ||
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| 17 | | 17 | ||
| 536.8 | | 536.8 | ||
| [[ | | [[15/11]], [[11/8]] | ||
| ''[[18/13]]'' | |||
| [[19/14]], [[26/19]] | |||
| Up 4th | | Up 4th | ||
| ^4 | | ^4 | ||
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| 18 | | 18 | ||
| 568.4 | | 568.4 | ||
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| ''[[26/19]]'' | |||
| [[18/13]], [[7/5]] | | [[18/13]], [[7/5]] | ||
| Aug 4th | | Aug 4th | ||
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| 600.0 | | 600.0 | ||
| [[24/17]], [[17/12]] | | [[24/17]], [[17/12]] | ||
| [[7/5]], [[10/7]] | |||
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| Upaug 4th, downdim 5th | | Upaug 4th, downdim 5th | ||
| ^A4, vd5 | | ^A4, vd5 | ||
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| 20 | | 20 | ||
| 631.6 | | 631.6 | ||
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| ''[[19/13]]'' | |||
| [[10/7]], [[13/9]] | | [[10/7]], [[13/9]] | ||
| Dim 5th | | Dim 5th | ||
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| 21 | | 21 | ||
| 663.2 | | 663.2 | ||
| [[16/11]], [[ | | [[16/11]], [[22/15]] | ||
| ''[[13/9]]'' | |||
| [[19/13]], [[28/19]] | |||
| Down 5th | | Down 5th | ||
| v5 | | v5 | ||
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| 694.7 | | 694.7 | ||
| [[3/2]] | | [[3/2]] | ||
| ''[[28/19]]'' | |||
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| Perfect 5th | | Perfect 5th | ||
| P5 | | P5 | ||
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| 23 | | 23 | ||
| 726.3 | | 726.3 | ||
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| ''[[20/13]]'' | |||
| [[26/17]] | | [[26/17]] | ||
| Up 5th | | Up 5th | ||
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| 24 | | 24 | ||
| 757.9 | | 757.9 | ||
| [[ | | [[17/11]] | ||
| ''[[26/17]]'', ''[[11/7]]'' | |||
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| Aug 5th, dim 6th | | Aug 5th, dim 6th | ||
| A5, d6 | | A5, d6 | ||
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| 25 | | 25 | ||
| 789.5 | | 789.5 | ||
| [[ | | [[30/19]], [[19/12]] | ||
| ''[[14/9]]'' | |||
| [[11/7]] | |||
| Upaug 5th, downminor 6th | | Upaug 5th, downminor 6th | ||
| ^A5, vm6 | | ^A5, vm6 | ||
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| 26 | | 26 | ||
| 821.1 | | 821.1 | ||
| [[8/5]] | | [[8/5]] | ||
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| ''[[13/8]]'' | |||
| Minor 6th | | Minor 6th | ||
| m6 | | m6 | ||
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| 27 | | 27 | ||
| 852.6 | | 852.6 | ||
| [[18/11]] | | [[18/11]] | ||
| [[13/8]] | |||
| [[28/17]] | |||
| Mid 6th | | Mid 6th | ||
| ~6 | | ~6 | ||
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| 884.2 | | 884.2 | ||
| [[5/3]] | | [[5/3]] | ||
| ''[[28/17]]'', ''[[22/13]]'' | |||
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| Major 6th | | Major 6th | ||
| M6 | | M6 | ||
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| 29 | | 29 | ||
| 915.8 | | 915.8 | ||
| [[32/19 | | [[32/19]], [[17/10]] | ||
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| Upmajor 6th | | Upmajor 6th | ||
| ^M6 | | ^M6 | ||
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| 30 | | 30 | ||
| 947.4 | | 947.4 | ||
| [[ | | [[19/11]] | ||
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| [[12/7]], [[26/15]], ''[[7/4]]'' | |||
| Aug 6th, dim 7th | | Aug 6th, dim 7th | ||
| A6, d7 | | A6, d7 | ||
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| 978.9 | | 978.9 | ||
| [[30/17]] | | [[30/17]] | ||
| ''[[26/15]]'', [[7/4]] | |||
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| Downminor 7th | | Downminor 7th | ||
| vm7 | | vm7 | ||
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| 1010.5 | | 1010.5 | ||
| [[16/9]], [[34/19]], [[9/5]] | | [[16/9]], [[34/19]], [[9/5]] | ||
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| Minor 7th | | Minor 7th | ||
| m7 | | m7 | ||
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| 1042.1 | | 1042.1 | ||
| [[20/11]], [[11/6]] | | [[20/11]], [[11/6]] | ||
| ''[[24/13]]'' | |||
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| Mid 7th | | Mid 7th | ||
| ~7 | | ~7 | ||
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| 34 | | 34 | ||
| 1073.7 | | 1073.7 | ||
| [[ | | [[15/8]] | ||
| [[13/7]] | |||
| [[24/13]], [[13/7]], [[28/15]] | |||
| Major 7th | | Major 7th | ||
| M7 | | M7 | ||
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| 1105.3 | | 1105.3 | ||
| [[32/17]], [[17/9]], [[36/19]], [[19/10]] | | [[32/17]], [[17/9]], [[36/19]], [[19/10]] | ||
| ''[[28/15]]'' | |||
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| Upmajor 7th, Downdim 8ve | | Upmajor 7th, Downdim 8ve | ||
| ^M7, vd8 | | ^M7, vd8 | ||
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| 36 | | 36 | ||
| 1136.8 | | 1136.8 | ||
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| Aug 7th, dim 8ve | | Aug 7th, dim 8ve | ||
| A7, d8 | | A7, d8 | ||
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| 1168.4 | | 1168.4 | ||
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| Down 8ve | | Down 8ve | ||
| v8 | | v8 | ||
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| 38 | | 38 | ||
| 1200.0 | | 1200.0 | ||
| | | [[2/1]] | ||
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| Perfect 8ve | | Perfect 8ve | ||
| P8 | | P8 | ||
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=== Ups and downs notation === | === Ups and downs notation === | ||
Spoken as up, sharp, upsharp, etc. Note that up can be respelled as downsharp. | Spoken as up, sharp, upsharp, etc. Note that up can be respelled as downsharp. | ||
{{sharpness | {{Ups and downs sharpness}} | ||
=== Quarter-tone notation === | === Quarter-tone notation === | ||
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=== Interval mappings === | === Interval mappings === | ||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals}} | {{Q-odd-limit intervals}} | ||
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|37.9|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 38df val mapping}} | |||
== Rank-2 temperaments == | == Rank-2 temperaments == | ||
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| [[Hemisensi]] || 7\38 || 1 | | [[Hemisensi]] || 7\38 || 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Delorean]] / [[ | | [[Delorean]] / [[subkla]] || 9\38 || 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Migration]] / [[ | | [[Migration]] / [[mohajira]] / [[nethertone]] / [[ptolemy]] / [[subklei]] || 11\38 || 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Hocus]] || 13\38 || 1 | | [[Hocus]] || 13\38 || 1 | ||
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| [[Buzzard]] || 15\38 || 1 | | [[Buzzard]] || 15\38 || 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Maquila]] / [[ | | [[Maquila]] / [[wilsec]] || 17\38 || 1 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Bimeantone]] / [[ | | [[Bimeantone]] / [[injera]] || 3\38 || 2 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Bison]] / [[ | | [[Bison]] / [[hemikleismic]] || 5\38 || 2 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Astrology]] / [[ | | [[Astrology]] / [[divination]] / [[horoscope]] || 7\38 || 2 | ||
|- | |- | ||
| [[Decimal]] || 8\38 || 2 | | [[Decimal]] || 8\38 || 2 | ||
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== Octave stretch or compression == | == Octave stretch or compression == | ||
38edo's approximation of [[JI]] can be improved by slightly [[octave stretch|stretching the octave]]. | 38edo's approximation of [[JI]] can be improved by slightly [[octave stretch|stretching the octave]], as in [[ed5|88ed5]], [[zpi|166zpi]] or [[60edt]]. | ||
== Scales == | |||
; [[MOS scale]]s | |||
* Astrology[22]: 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 2 | |||
* Buzzard[8]: 7 1 7 7 1 7 1 7 | |||
* Buzzard[13] 1 6 1 6 1 1 6 1 1 6 1 6 1 | |||
* Buzzard[18]: 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 1 5 1 | |||
* Buzzard[23]: 1 1 4 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 1 4 1 1 1 4 1 1 | |||
* Decimal[10]: 3 5 3 5 3 3 5 3 5 3 | |||
* Decimal[14]: 3 2 3 3 3 2 3 3 2 3 3 3 2 3 | |||
* Decimal[24]: 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 | |||
* Hocus[23]: 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 6 1 1 1 | |||
* Injera[6]: 3 13 3 3 13 3 | |||
* Injera[8]: 3 3 10 3 3 3 10 3 | |||
* Injera[10]: 3 3 7 3 3 3 3 7 3 3 | |||
* Injera[12]: 3 3 3 4 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 3 | |||
* Injera[14]: 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 | |||
* Injera[26]: 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 | |||
* Maquila[20]: 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 | |||
* Mohajira[7] (''a.k.a. quasi-[[equiheptatonic]]''): 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 | |||
* Mohajira[10]: 5 1 5 5 1 5 5 5 1 5 | |||
* Mohajira[17]: 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 | |||
* Mohajira[24]: 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 3 1 1 1 3 1 | |||
* Subkla[13]: 2 5 2 2 5 2 2 2 5 2 2 5 2 | |||
* Subkla[17]: 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 | |||
* Subkla[21]: 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 | |||
; MOS subsets | |||
* ''of injera[12]'' | |||
** Quasi-major: 6 7 3 6 6 7 3 | |||
** Quasi-minor: 6 3 7 6 3 7 6 | |||
; | ; [[MODMOS|MODMOS scales]] | ||
{{Idiosyncratic terms}} | |||
* ''of bison[22]'' | |||
** Tame bison: 3 1 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 3 3 1 1 1 1 3 | |||
* ''of hemisensi[11]'' | |||
* | ** Hemisettled11: 3 3 3 4 3 6 3 3 3 4 3 | ||
* ''of hemisensi[16]'' | |||
* | ** Hemisettled16: 5 1 3 3 1 3 1 1 3 1 5 1 3 3 1 3 | ||
* ''of opossum[23]'' | |||
* | ** Tame possum: 3 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 3 | ||
; | ; Others | ||
{{Idiosyncratic terms}} | |||
* [[Antipental blues]]: 9 7 2 4 9 7 | |||
* Ninteenplus: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 2 2 2 | |||
* Quasi-[[equipentatonic]]: 8 8 6 8 8 | |||
* [[Well temperament|Well-tempered]] 19-in-38: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 1 2 2 2 | |||
== Instruments == | == Instruments == | ||
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; [[Bryan Deister]] | ; [[Bryan Deister]] | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rewy-32BfRs ''Spirit of the Night - Secret of Mana (microtonal cover in 38edo)''] (2025) | * [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rewy-32BfRs ''Spirit of the Night - Secret of Mana (microtonal cover in 38edo)''] (2025) | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QcFEW45uxHY ''38edo improv''] (2025) | |||
* ''waltz in 38edo'' (2026) | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gdx4hk7FKU0 <nowiki>[short]</nowiki>] (demonstrates Lumatone mapping) | |||
** [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amukQrZuseY <nowiki>[full version]</nowiki>] | |||
; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ; [[Claudi Meneghin]] | ||
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[[Category:Listen]] | [[Category:Listen]] | ||