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The 5-limit parent comma for the '''porcupine family''' is [[250/243]], the maximal diesis or porcupine comma. Its [[monzo]] is {{monzo| 1 -5 3 }}, and flipping that yields {{multival| 3 5 1 }} for the [[wedgie]]. This tells us the [[generator]] is a minor whole tone, the [[10/9]] interval, and that three of these add up to a fourth, with two more giving the minor sixth. In fact, (10/9)<sup>3</sup> = 4/3 × 250/243, and (10/9)<sup>5</sup> = 8/5 × (250/243)<sup>2</sup>. [[22edo|3\22]] is a very recommendable generator, and MOS of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.
{{Technical data page}}
The '''porcupine family''' of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[porcupine comma]], [[250/243]], also called the maximal diesis.  


= Porcupine =
== Porcupine ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5
{{Main| Porcupine }}
 
The [[generator]] of porcupine is a minor whole tone, the [[10/9]] interval, and three of these add up to a perfect fourth ([[4/3]]), with two more giving the minor sixth ([[8/5]]). In fact, {{nowrap| (10/9)<sup>3</sup> {{=}} (4/3)⋅(250/243) }}, and {{nowrap| (10/9)<sup>5</sup> {{=}} (8/5)⋅(250/243)<sup>2</sup> }}. Its [[ploidacot]] is omega-tricot. [[22edo|3\22]] is a very recommendable generator, and [[mos scale]]s of 7, 8 and 15 notes make for some nice scale possibilities.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5


[[Comma list]]: 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 | 0 -3 -5 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~27/25 = 163.950
: mapping generators: ~2, ~10/9
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.5444{{c}}, ~10/9 = 163.8881{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.456 +5.469 -7.121 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 164.0621{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +5.859 -6.624 }}


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* [[diamond monotone]] range: [150.000, 171.429] (1\8 to 1\7)
* [[5-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]]: ~10/9 = [150.000, 171.429] (1\8 to 1\7)
* [[diamond purer]] range: [157.821, 166.015]
* 5-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* [[diamond nice]] range: [157.821, 166.015]
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 95c }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 0.722
 
=== Overview to extensions ===
==== 7-limit extensions ====
The second comma defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at.
* [[#Hystrix|Hystrix]] adds [[36/35]], the mint comma, for an exotemperament tuning around 8d-edo;
* [[#Opossum|Opossum]] adds [[28/27]], the trienstonic comma, for a tuning between 8d-edo and 15edo;
* [[#Septimal porcupine|Septimal porcupine]] adds [[64/63]], the archytas comma, for a tuning between 15edo and 22edo;
* [[#Porky|Porky]] adds [[225/224]], the marvel comma, for a tuning between 22edo and 29edo;
* [[#Coendou|Coendou]] adds [[525/512]], the avicennma, for a tuning sharp of 29edo.
 
Those all share the same generator with porcupine.
 
[[#Nautilus|nautilus]] tempers out [[49/48]] and splits the generator in two. [[#Hedgehog|hedgehog]] tempers out [[50/49]] with a semi-octave period. Finally, [[#Ammonite|ammonite]] tempers out [[686/675]] and [[#Ceratitid|ceratitid]] tempers out [[1728/1715]]. Those split the generator in three.
 
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:  
* [[Oxygen]] → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Oxygen|Very low accuracy temperaments]].
* [[Jamesbond]] → [[7th-octave temperaments #Jamesbond|7th-octave temperaments]].
 
==== Subgroup extensions ====
Noting that {{nowrap| 250/243 {{=}} ([[55/54]])⋅([[100/99]]) {{=}} S10<sup>2</sup>⋅[[121/120|S11]] }}, the temperament thus extends naturally to the 2.3.5.11 [[subgroup]], sometimes known as ''porkypine'', given right below.
 
=== 2.3.5.11 subgroup (porkypine) ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11
 
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99
 
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -4 }}
 
Gencom mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 0 4 | 0 -3 -5 0 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3290{{c}}, ~11/10 = 164.1227{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 163.9951{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22, 73ce, 95ce }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.303
 
==== Undecimation ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.11.13
 
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 512/507
 
Subgroup-val mapping: {{mapping| 1 -1 -2 0 5 | 0 6 10 8 -3 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 95c, 117bc, 139bc, 161bc, 183bc }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~88/65


[[Badness]]: 0.0308
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.4791{{c}}, ~88/65 = 517.9845{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~88/65 = 518.1740{{c}}


== Extensions ==
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 23bc, 30, 37, 44 }}
The second comma of the [[Normal lists #Normal interval list|normal comma list]] defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at. That means
* [[64/63]], the archytas comma, for [[#Septimal porcupine|septimal porcupine]],  
* [[36/35]], the septimal quarter tone, for [[#Hystrix|hystrix]],  
* [[50/49]], the jubilisma, for [[#Hedgehog|hedgehog]], and
* [[49/48]], the slendro diesis, for [[#Nautilus|nautilus]].


= Septimal porcupine =
Badness (Sintel): 1.21
{{main| Porcupine }}


Porcupine uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to [[7/4]]. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.
== Septimal porcupine ==
{{Main| Porcupine }}


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Septimal porcupine uses six of its minor tone generator steps to get to [[7/4]]. Here, we share the same mapping of 7/4 in terms of fifths as [[archy]]. For this to work you need a small minor tone such as [[22edo]] provides, and once again 3\22 is a good tuning choice, though we might pick in preference 8\59, 11\81, or 19\140 for our generator.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 64/63, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 2 | 0 -3 -5 6 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 -6 1 -18 -28 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.8178{{c}}, ~10/9 = 162.5839{{c}}
[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 162.880
: [[error map]]: {{val| -2.182 +5.929 -5.780 +2.313 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 162.9493{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +9.197 -1.060 +8.870 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] eigenmonzo: 9/7
* [[7-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5
* [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.9/7


[[Tuning ranges]]:  
[[Tuning ranges]]:  
* [[diamond monotone]] range: [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 7- and 9-odd-limit [[diamond monotone]]: ~10/9 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* [[diamond purer]] range: [157.821, 166.015]
* 7-odd-limit [[diamond tradeoff]]: ~10/9 = [157.821, 166.015]
* [[diamond nice]] range: [160.000, 163.636]
* 9-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~10/9 = [157.821, 182.404]


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 59, 81bd, 140bbd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59, 81bd }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0411
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.04


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 162.747
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1198.3250{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.5202{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.8156{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 9/7
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.9/7


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* [[diamond monotone]] range: [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* 11-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* [[diamond purer]] range: [150.637, 182.404]
* 11-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~11/10 = [150.637, 182.404]
* [[diamond nice]] range: [160.000, 163.636]


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22, 37, 59 }}


Badness: 0.0217
Badness (Sintel): 0.713
 
==== Porcupinefowl ====
This extension used to be ''tridecimal porcupine''.


=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 55/54, 64/63, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -2 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 162.708
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1197.0054{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.3022{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.8314{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 11/8
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 1 0 0 0 -1/4 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.11


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* [[diamond monotone]] range: [160.000, 163.636] (15 to 22f)
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = [160.000, 163.636] (2\15 to 3\22)
* [[diamond purer]] range: [138.573, 182.404]
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = 163.636 (3\22)
* [[diamond nice]] range: [160.000, 163.636]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~11/10 = [138.573, 182.404]


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15, 22f, 37f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15, 22f }}


Badness: 0.0213
Badness (Sintel): 0.879


=== Porcupinefish ===
==== Porcupinefish ====
{{see also| The Biosphere }}
{{See also| The Biosphere }}


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Line 108: Line 177:
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 6 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 6 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 -17 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 162.277
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1198.3206{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.0502{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.3458{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 13/11
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/13 0 0 0 1/13 -1/13 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/11


Tuning ranges:  
Tuning ranges:  
* [[diamond monotone]] range: [160.000, 162.162] (15 to 37)
* 13-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = [160.000, 162.162] (2\15 to 5\37)
* [[diamond purer]] range: [150.637, 182.404]
* 15-odd-limit diamond monotone: ~11/10 = 162.162 (5\37)
* [[diamond nice]] range: [160.000, 162.162]
* 13- and 15-odd-limit diamond tradeoff: ~11/10 = [150.637, 182.404]


Vals: {{val list| 15, 22, 37, 59, 96b }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15, 22, 37 }}


Badness: 0.0253
Badness (Sintel): 1.05


=== Pourcup ===
==== Pourcup ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, 196/195
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 100/99, 196/195


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 1 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 20 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 1 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 20 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 162.482
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1198.0537{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.2183{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 162.4665{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 13/7
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/14 0 0 -1/14 0 1/14 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.13/7


Vals: {{val list| 15f, 22f, 37 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 15f, 22f, 37, 59f }}


Badness: 0.0351
Badness (Sintel): 1.45


=== Porkpie ===
==== Porkpie ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 64/63, 65/63, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 2 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 6 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 2 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 6 -4 5 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 163.688
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0223{{c}}, ~11/10 = 163.6908{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 163.6874{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 9/7
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 1/6 -1/6 0 1/12 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.9/7


Vals: {{val list| 7, 15f, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 15f, 22 }}


Badness: 0.0260
Badness (Sintel): 1.08


= Hystrix =
== Opossum ==
Hystrix provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix, for which a generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used, is a temperament for the adventurous souls who have probably already tried [[15edo]]. They can try the even sharper fifth of hystrix in [[68edo]] and see how that suits.
{{Main| Opossum }}


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Opossum can be described as {{nowrap| 8d & 15 }}. Tempering out [[28/27]], the perfect fifth of three generator steps is conflated with not [[32/21]] as in porcupine but [[14/9]]. Three such fifths or nine generator steps octave reduced give a flat 7/4. 2\15 is a good generator.  


[[Comma list]]: 36/35, 160/147
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -1 }}]
[[Comma list]]: 28/27, 126/125


{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 1 1 -7 -12 }}
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 }}


[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 158.868
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1195.7927{{c}}, ~10/9 = 159.1315{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -4.207 +12.236 +5.407 -17.838 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 160.4589{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +16.668 +11.392 -12.956 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] eigenmonzo: 5/4
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 8d, 15d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 8d, 15 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0449
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.03


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 22/21, 36/35, 80/77
Comma list: 28/27, 55/54, 77/75
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1196.2331{{c}}, ~11/10 = 159.3050{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 160.4644{{c}}
 
Minimax tuning:
* 11-odd-limit unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 8d, 15 }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.738
 
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
 
Comma list: 28/27, 40/39, 55/54, 66/65
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 4 4 4 | 0 -3 -5 -9 -4 -2 }}


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -1 -4 }}]
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1193.5447{{c}}, ~11/10 = 157.9505{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 159.7600{{c}}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 158.750
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7


Vals: {{val list| 7, 8d, 15d }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 8d, 15, 38bceff }}


Badness: 0.0268
Badness (Sintel): 0.801


= Porky =
== Porky ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Porky can be described as {{nowrap| 22 & 29 }}, suggesting a less sharp perfect fifth. 7\51 is a good generator.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 225/224, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 5 | 0 -3 -5 -16 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 16 1 17 23 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1200.0685{{c}}, ~10/9 = 164.4215{{c}}
[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 164.412
: [[error map]]: {{val| +0.068 +4.917 -8.216 +0.772 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 164.4060{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.827 -8.344 +0.678 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] eigenmonzo: 7/5
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.7/5


{{Val list|legend=1| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73c }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7d, 15d, 22, 51, 73c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0544
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.38


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 225/224


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 5 4 | 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.552
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.8706{{c}}, ~11/10 = 164.6715{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 164.4810{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 7/5
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/11 0 1/11 -1/11 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.7/5


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 15d, 22, 29, 51, 73ce }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 15d, 22, 51 }}


Badness: 0.0273
Badness (Sintel): 0.901


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 5 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 5 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 -16 -4 5 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1202.1557{{c}}, ~11/10 = 165.2494{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 164.8579{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 164.953
Badness (Sintel): 1.10


Vals: {{val list| 7d, 22, 29, 51f, 80cdeff }}
; Music
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CN4cLOyaVGE ''Improvisation in 29edo''] (2024) by [[Budjarn Lambeth]] – in Palace scale, 29edo tuning


Badness: 0.0265
== Coendou ==
Coendou can be described as {{nowrap| 29 & 36c }}, suggesting an even less sharp or near-just perfect fifth. 9\65 is a good generator.  


= Coendou =
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 525/512
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 525/512


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 1 | 0 -3 -5 13 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 3 5 -13 1 -29 -44 }}
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
 
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1202.6772{{c}}, ~10/9 = 166.4110{{c}}
[[POTE generator]]: ~10/9 = 166.041
: [[error map]]: {{val| +2.678 +4.166 -10.337 -2.806 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 166.0511{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 -0.108 -16.569 -10.161 }}


[[Minimax tuning]]:  
[[Minimax tuning]]:  
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]] eigenmonzo: 3/2
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: [[eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.3


{{Val list|legend=1| 7, 29, 65c, 94cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 22d, 29, 65c }}


[[Badness]]: 0.1183
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.99


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 525/512
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 525/512


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 4 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 1 4 | 0 -3 -5 13 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 165.981
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1203.0245{{c}}, ~11/10 = 166.3991{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 165.9714{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 11-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 3/2
* 11-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.3


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65ce, 94cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 22d, 29, 65ce }}


Badness: 0.0497
Badness (Sintel): 1.64


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 100/99, 105/104
Comma list: 55/54, 65/64, 100/99, 105/104


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 1 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 -3 -5 13 -4 5 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 1 4 3 | 0 -3 -5 13 -4 5 }}


POTE generator: ~11/10 = 165.974
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1202.9957{{c}}, ~11/10 = 166.3885{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 165.9843{{c}}


Minimax tuning:  
Minimax tuning:  
* 13- and 15-odd-limit eigenmonzo: 3/2
* 13- and 15-odd-limit: ~11/10 = {{monzo| 2/3 -1/3 }}
: unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis: 2.3


Vals: {{val list| 7, 29, 65cef, 94cdef }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 22d, 29, 65cef }}


Badness: 0.0302
Badness (Sintel): 1.25


= Hedgehog =
== Hystrix ==
Hedgehog has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out [[245/243]], the sensamagic comma. 22edo provides the obvious tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative, you could try the {{val| 146 232 338 411 }} val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14 note MOS gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22.
Hystrix provides a less complex avenue to the 7-limit, with the generator taking on the role of approximating 8/7. Unfortunately in temperaments as in life you get what you pay for, and hystrix is very high in [[error]] due to the large disparity between typical porcupine generators and a justly-tuned 8/7, and is usually considered an [[exotemperament]]. A generator of 2\15 or 9\68 can be used for hystrix.


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
 
[[Comma list]]: 36/35, 160/147
 
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -3 -5 -1 }}
 
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1187.8599{{c}}, ~10/9 = 157.2605{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -12.140 +1.983 -9.037 +37.493 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~10/9 = 161.2833{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +14.195 +7.270 +69.891 }}
 
[[Minimax tuning]]:
* [[7-odd-limit|7-]] and [[9-odd-limit]]: ~10/9 = {{monzo| 3/5 0 -1/5 }}
: [[Eigenmonzo basis|unchanged-interval (eigenmonzo) basis]]: 2.5
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 7, 8d, 15d }}
 
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.14
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
 
Comma list: 22/21, 36/35, 80/77
 
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -3 -5 -1 -4 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1189.2810{{c}}, ~11/10 = 157.3322{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~11/10 = 160.9603{{c}}
 
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 7, 8d, 15d }}
 
Badness (Sintel): 0.886
 
== Hedgehog ==
{{See also| Sensamagic clan | Stearnsmic clan }}
 
Hedgehog has a period 1/2 octave and a generator which can be taken to be 9/7 instead of 10/9. It also tempers out [[245/243]], the sensamagic comma. It is a strong extension of [[BPS]] (as BPS has no 2 or sqrt(2)). Its ploidacot is diploid alpha-tricot.
 
22edo provides an obvious tuning, which happens to be the only [[patent val|patent-val]] tuning, but if you are looking for an alternative you could try the {{val| 146 232 338 411 }} (146bccdd) val with generator 10\73, or you could try 164 cents if you are fond of round numbers. The 14-note mos gives scope for harmony while stopping well short of 22. A related temperament is [[echidna]], which offers much more accuracy. They merge on 22edo.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 245/243
[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 245/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 1 1 2 | 0 3 5 5 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 10 10 2 -1 -5 }}
: mapping generators: ~7/5, ~9/7


[[POTE generator]]: ~9/7 = 435.648
[[Optimal tuning]]s:  
* [[WE]]: ~7/5 = 599.6061{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.3620{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.788 +3.737 -9.897 +7.197 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.4483{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.390 -9.072 +8.416 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 8d, 14c, 22, 146bccdd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 14c, 22 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.0440
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.11


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 99/98


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 | 0 3 5 5 4 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.386
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~7/5 = 600.1133{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.4680{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.4431{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 22, 58ce, 80ce, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 14c, 22, 58ce }}


Badness: 0.0231
Badness (Sintel): 0.764


=== 13-limit ===
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 65/63, 99/98
Comma list: 50/49, 55/54, 65/63, 99/98


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 3 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 6 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 3 | 0 3 5 5 4 6 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.861
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~7/5 = 600.3651{{c}}, ~9/7 = 436.1258{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~9/7 = 436.0483{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 14cf, 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 14cf, 22 }}


Badness: 0.0215
Badness (Sintel): 0.889


=== Urchin ===
==== Urchin ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 50/49, 55/54, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 4 6 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 4 2 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 4 6 | 0 3 5 5 4 2 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 437.078
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~7/5 = 598.3303{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.8617{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~9/7 = 436.3485{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 22f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 22f }}


Badness: 0.0252
Badness (Sintel): 1.04


== Hedgepig ==
=== Hedgepig ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 50/49, 245/243, 385/384
Comma list: 50/49, 245/243, 385/384


Mapping: [{{val| 2 1 1 2 12 }}, {{val| 0 3 5 5 -7 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 1 1 2 12 | 0 3 5 5 -7 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 435.425
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~7/5 = 599.7917{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.2737{{c}}
* CWE: ~7/5 = 600.0000{{c}}, ~9/7 = 435.4047{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 22, 80c, 102cd, 124cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22 }}


Badness: 0.0684
Badness (Sintel): 2.26


; Music
; Music
[http://micro.soonlabel.com/22-ET/20120207-phobos-light-hedgehog14.mp3 Phobos Light] by [[Chris Vaisvil]] in Hedgehog[14] [[hedgehog14|tuned]] to 22edo.
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20240624173512/http://micro.soonlabel.com/22-ET/20120207-phobos-light-hedgehog14.mp3 ''Phobos Light''] by [[Chris Vaisvil]] – in [[hedgehog14|Hedgehog[14]]], 22edo tuning.


= Nautilus =
== Nautilus ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
Nautilus tempers out 49/48 and may be described as the {{nowrap| 14c & 15 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is omega-hexacot.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 49/48, 250/243
[[Comma list]]: 49/48, 250/243


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -6 -10 -3 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 6 10 3 2 -12 -21 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~21/20


[[POTE generator]]: ~21/20 = 82.505
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1202.1642{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.6542{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| +2.164 +6.448 -6.364 -10.296 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.2758{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +4.390 -9.072 -15.653 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 15, 29, 43cd, 44d, 59d, 73cd, 102cd }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 14c, 15, 29 }}


== 11-limit ==
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 1.45
 
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 245/242


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 82.504
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1202.3781{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.6673{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.2434{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29, 43cde, 44d, 59d, 73cde, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 15, 29 }}


=== 13-limit ===
Badness (Sintel): 0.860
 
==== 13-limit ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99
Comma list: 49/48, 55/54, 91/90, 100/99


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 5 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -19 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 5 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -19 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 62.530
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1202.4145{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.6963{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 82.3130{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 15f, 29, 43cde, 44d, 59df, 73cde, 102cde }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14cf, 15, 29 }}


Badness: 0.0223
Badness (Sintel): 0.921


=== Belauensis ===
==== Belauensis ====
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 40/39, 49/48, 55/54, 66/65
Comma list: 40/39, 49/48, 55/54, 66/65


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -4 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 4 | 0 -6 -10 -3 -8 -4 }}


POTE generator: ~21/20 = 81.759
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1199.0072{{c}}, ~21/20 = 81.6911{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~21/20 = 81.8576{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 14c, 15, 29f, 44df }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 14c, 15 }}


Badness: 0.0298
Badness (Sintel): 1.23


; Music
; Music
[http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Igs/NautilusReverie.mp3 Nautilus Reverie] by [[Igliashon Jones|Igliashon Calvin Jones-Coolidge]]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201127013840/http://micro.soonlabel.com/gene_ward_smith/Others/Igs/NautilusReverie.mp3 ''Nautilus Reverie''] by [[Igliashon Jones]]


= Ammonite =
== Ammonite ==
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7
{{See also|Subgroup temperaments #Ammon}}
Ammonite adds 686/675 to the comma list and may be described as the {{nowrap| 8d & 29 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is epsilon-enneacot. [[37edo]] provides an obvious tuning.
 
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 686/675
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 686/675


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 -4 -7 -9 | 0 9 15 19 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 9 15 19 3 5 2 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~14/9


[[POTE generator]]: ~9/7 = 454.448
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1199.3342{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.1379{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -0.666 +6.949 -4.584 -5.213 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.4994{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +7.540 -3.823 -4.337 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 29, 37, 66 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 21cd, 29, 37, 66 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.1077
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.73


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 686/675
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 686/675


Mapping: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 8 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -4 -7 -9 -4 | 0 9 15 19 12 }}


POTE generator: ~9/7 = 454.512
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.0141{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.4971{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.4894{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 21cde, 29, 37, 66 }}


Badness: 0.0457
Badness (Sintel): 1.51


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168
Comma list: 55/54, 91/90, 100/99, 169/168


Mapping: [{{val| 1 5 8 10 8 9 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -19 -12 -14 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 -4 -7 -9 -4 -5 | 0 9 15 19 12 14 }}
 
Optimal tunings:
* WE: ~2 = 1200.2478{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.6252{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~14/9 = 745.4904{{c}}


POTE generator: ~13/10 = 454.429
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 8d, 21cdef, 29, 37, 66 }}


Vals: {{val list| 29, 37, 66 }}
Badness (Sintel): 1.12


Badness: 0.0272
== Ceratitid ==
Ceratitid adds 1728/1715 to the comma list and may be described as the {{nowrap| 21c & 22 }} temperament. Its ploidacot is omega-enneacot. [[22edo]] provides an obvious tuning.  


= Ceratitid =
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7


[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 1728/1715
[[Comma list]]: 250/243, 1728/1715


[[Mapping]]: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 }}]
{{Mapping|legend=1| 1 2 3 3 | 0 -9 -15 -4 }}


{{Multival|legend=1| 9 15 4 3 -19 -33 }}
: mapping generators: ~2, ~36/35


[[POTE generator]]: ~36/35 = 54.384
[[Optimal tuning]]s:
* [[WE]]: ~2 = 1197.6274{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.2770{{c}}
: [[error map]]: {{val| -2.373 +4.807 -7.586 +6.948 }}
* [[CWE]]: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.5489{{c}}
: error map: {{val| 0.000 +7.105 -4.548 +12.978 }}


{{Val list|legend=1| 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 1c, 21c, 22 }}


[[Badness]]: 0.115
[[Badness]] (Sintel): 2.92


== 11-limit ==
=== 11-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 5324/5145
Comma list: 55/54, 100/99, 352/343


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 | 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 }}


POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.376
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1198.2851{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.2986{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.4992{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 1ce, 21ce, 22 }}


Badness: 0.0513
Badness (Sintel): 1.70


== 13-limit ==
=== 13-limit ===
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13


Comma list: 55/54, 65/63, 100/99, 352/343
Comma list: 55/54, 65/63, 100/99, 352/343


Mapping: [{{val| 1 2 3 3 4 4 }}, {{val| 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 -7 }}]
Mapping: {{mapping| 1 2 3 3 4 4 | 0 -9 -15 -4 -12 -7 }}


POTE generator: ~36/35 = 54.665
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1200.3864{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.6830{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~36/35 = 54.6396{{c}}


Vals: {{val list| 22 }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 1ce, 21cef, 22 }}


Badness: 0.0447
Badness (Sintel): 1.85


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