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= Example (36edo) = | |||
= Example (36edo | |||
== Octave stretch or compression == | == Octave stretch or compression == | ||
What follows is a comparison of stretched- and compressed-octave 36edo tunings. | What follows is a comparison of stretched- and compressed-octave 36edo tunings. | ||
; [[21edf]] | |||
; [[21edf]] | * Step size: 33.426{{c}}, octave size: 1203.351{{c}} | ||
* Step size: 33.426{{c}} | Stretching the octave of 36edo by a little over 3{{c}} results in improved primes 5, 11, and 13, but worse primes 2, 3, and 7. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 13.4{{c}}. The tuning 21edf does this. | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|21|3|2|columns=11|collapsed=true}} | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|21|3|2|columns= | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|21|3|2|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 21edf (continued)}} | {{Harmonics in equal|21|3|2|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 21edf (continued)}} | ||
; [[57edt]] | ; [[57edt]] | ||
* Step size: 33.368{{c}} | * Step size: 33.368{{c}}, octave size: 1201.235{{c}} | ||
If one intends to use both 36edo's vals for 5/1 at once, stretching the octave of 36edo by about 1{{c}} optimises 36edo for that dual-5 usage, while also making slight improvements to primes 3, 7, 11, and 13. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 16.6{{c}}. Several almost-identical tunings do this: 57edt, [[93ed6]], [[101ed7]], [[zpi|155zpi]], and the 2.3.7.13-subgroup [[TE]] and [[WE]] tunings of 36et. | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|57|3|1|columns= | {{Harmonics in equal|57|3|1|columns=11|collapsed=true}} | ||
{{Harmonics in equal|57|3|1|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 57edt (continued)}} | {{Harmonics in equal|57|3|1|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 57edt (continued)}} | ||
; 36edo | |||
* Step size: 33.333{{c}}, octave size: 1200.000{{c}} | |||
Pure-octaves 36edo approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 15.3{{c}}. | |||
; | {{Harmonics in equal|36|2|1|intervals=integer|columns=11|collapsed=true}} | ||
* Step size: 33.333{{c}} | {{Harmonics in equal|36|2|1|intervals=integer|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 36edo (continued)}} | ||
Pure-octaves 36edo approximates all | |||
{{Harmonics in | |||
{{Harmonics in | |||
; [[TE|36et, 13-limit TE tuning]] | |||
* Step size: 33.304{{c}}, octave size: 1198.929{{c}} | |||
Compressing the octave of 36edo by about 2{{c}} results in much improved primes 5 and 11, but much worse primes 7 and 13. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within 11.6{{c}}. The 11- and 13-limit TE tunings of 36et both do this, as do their respective WE tunings. | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|33.303596|columns=11|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 13-limit TE tuning of 36et}} | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|33.303596|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|title=Approximation of harmonics in 13-limit TE tuning of 36et (continued)}} | |||
{| class="wikitable sortable center-all mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | {| class="wikitable sortable center-all mw-collapsible mw-collapsed" | ||
|+ | |+ style="white-space: nowrap;" | Comparison of stretched and compressed tunings | ||
|- | |- | ||
! rowspan="2" | Tuning !! rowspan="2" | | ! rowspan="2" | Tuning !! rowspan="2" | Octave size<br>(cents) !! colspan="6" | Prime error (cents) | ||
! rowspan="2" | Mapping of primes 2–13 (steps) | ! rowspan="2" | Mapping of primes 2–13 (steps) | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 2 !! 3 !! 5 !! 7 !! 11 | ! 2 !! 3 !! 5 !! 7 !! 11 !! 13 | ||
! 13 | |||
|- | |- | ||
! 21edf | ! 21edf | ||
| | | 1203.351 | ||
| +3.3 || +3.3 || −12.0 || +7.2 || −6.5 || +5.1 | | +3.3 || +3.3 || −12.0 || +7.2 || −6.5 || +5.1 | ||
| 36, 57, 83, 101, 124, 133 | | 36, 57, 83, 101, 124, 133 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 57edt | ! 57edt | ||
| | | 1201.235 | ||
| +1.2 || 0.0 || +16.6 || +1.3 || −13.7 || −2.6 | |||
| 36, 57, 84, 101, 124, 133 | | 36, 57, 84, 101, 124, 133 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 155zpi | ! 155zpi | ||
| | | 1200.587 | ||
| +0.6 || −1.0 || +15.1 || −0.5 || −16.0|| −5.0 | | +0.6 || −1.0 || +15.1 || −0.5 || −16.0|| −5.0 | ||
| 36, 57, 83, 101, 124, 133 | | 36, 57, 83, 101, 124, 133 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 36edo | ! 36edo | ||
| ''' | | '''1200.000''' | ||
| '''0.0''' || '''−2.0''' || '''+13.7''' || '''−2.2''' || '''+15.3''' || '''−7.2''' | | '''0.0''' || '''−2.0''' || '''+13.7''' || '''−2.2''' || '''+15.3''' || '''−7.2''' | ||
| '''36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133''' | | '''36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133''' | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 13-limit | ! 13-limit TE | ||
| | | 1198.929 | ||
| −1.1 || −3.7 || +11. | | −1.1 || −3.7 || +11.2 || −5.2 || +11.6 || −11.1 | ||
| 36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133 | | 36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133 | ||
|- | |- | ||
! 11-limit | ! 11-limit TE | ||
| | | 1198.330 | ||
| −1.7 || −4. | | −1.7 || −4.6 || +9.8 || −6.8 || +9.5 || −13.4 | ||
| 36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133 | | 36, 57, 84, 101, 125, 133 | ||
|} | |} | ||
= Blank template = | |||
== Octave stretch or compression == | |||
What follows is a comparison of stretched- and compressed-octave EDONAME tunings. | |||
; [[zpi|ZPINAME]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. The tuning ZPINAME does this. | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ZPINAME}} | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ZPINAME (continued)}} | |||
; [[EDONOI]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. The tuning EDONOI does this. | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONOI}} | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONOI (continued)}} | |||
; [[WE|ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. Its SUBGROUP WE tuning and SUBGROUP [[TE]] tuning both do this. | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning}} | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning (continued)}} | |||
; EDONAME | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
Pure-octaves EDONAME approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONAME}} | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONAME (continued)}} | |||
; [[WE|ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. Its SUBGROUP WE tuning and SUBGROUP [[TE]] tuning both do this. | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning}} | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ETNAME, SUBGROUP WE tuning (continued)}} | |||
; [[EDONOI]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. The tuning EDONOI does this. | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONOI}} | |||
{{Harmonics in equal|12|2|1|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in EDONOI (continued)}} | |||
; [[zpi|ZPINAME]] | |||
* Step size: NNN{{c}}, octave size: NNN{{c}} | |||
_ing the octave of EDONAME by around NNN{{c}} results in improved primes NNN, but worse primes NNN. This approximates all harmonics up to 16 within NNN{{c}}. The tuning ZPINAME does this. | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=11|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ZPINAME}} | |||
{{Harmonics in cet|100|columns=12|start=12|collapsed=true|intervals=integer|title=Approximation of harmonics in ZPINAME (continued)}} | |||
= Plan for roll-out = | |||
Edo pages which currently have an "octave stretch", "related tunings", "zeta properties", etc. section: | |||
* Done (with table): {{EDOs|36 edo}}. | |||
* Done (table not added yet): {{EDOs|7, 12, 17, 19 edos}}. | |||
-- | |||
* High priority pages: {{EDOs|22, 27, 31, 41, 58, 72 edos}}. | |||
* Medium-high priority pages: {{EDOs|8, 13, 14, 16, 23, 60, 99 edos}}. | |||
* Low-medium priority pages: {{EDOs|32, 33, 39, 42, 45, 54, 59, 64, 103, 118, 152 edos}}. | |||
* Low priority pages: {{EDOs|111, 125, 145, 159, 166, 182, 198, 212, 243, 247 edos}}. | |||
; This standard will need to be rolled out to those above pages. | |||
It can optionally be rolled out to other edo pages later. | |||
; Things to note: | |||
* When rolling it out try not to delete existing body text but instead rework it where possible. | |||
* This section will ''not'' replace any "n-edo and octave stretch" pages. Still, add this section to the relevant edo page, but also link to the "n-edo and octave stretch" page at the top of this section, using the see also Template, eg: <nowiki>"{{See also|36edo and octave stretch}}"</nowiki>. | |||
=== What to do with edonoi pages that are very close to these edos === | |||
* Edt and edf pages should be permanently kept | |||
* Other edonoi pages should be temporarily kept until all [[XW:NG|notable]] information from their respective pages has been added to: | |||
** The "octave stretch and compression" section of the edo page. | |||
AND/OR | |||
** A new "''N''edo and octave stretch" page (create one of these if there is too much information to squeeze into the "octave stretch and compression" section). | |||
=== Possible tunings to be used on each page === | |||
You can remove some of these or add more that aren't listed here; this section is pretty much just brainstorming. | |||
(Used https://x31eq.com/temper-pyscript/net.html, used WE instead of TE cause it kept defaulting to WE and I kept not remembering to switch it) | |||
; High-priority | |||
22edo | |||
* 1ed54.5c | |||
* 11-limit WE (54.494c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (54.546c) | |||
* 80zpi (54.483c) | |||
27edo | |||
* 43edt | |||
* 70ed6 | |||
* 90ed10 | |||
* 97ed12 | |||
* 7-limit WE (44.306c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (44.375c) | |||
* 105zpi (44.674c) | |||
* 106zpi (44.302c) | |||
31edo | |||
* 80ed6 | |||
* 111ed12 | |||
* 25ed7/4 (replaces 229ed169) | |||
* 11-limit WE (38.748c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (38.725c) | |||
* 127zpi (38.737c) | |||
41edo | |||
* 65edt | |||
* 106ed6 | |||
* 147ed12 | |||
* 11-limit WE (29.277c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (29.267c) | |||
* 184zpi (29.277c) | |||
58edo | |||
* 92edt | |||
* 150ed6 | |||
* 7-limit WE (20.667c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (20.663c) | |||
* 288zpi (20.736c) | |||
* 289zpi (20.666c) | |||
72edo | |||
* 144edt | |||
* 186ed6 | |||
* 11-limit WE ( 16.677c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (16.680c) | |||
* 380zpi (16.678c) | |||
; Medium-high priority | |||
8edo | |||
* 29ed12 | |||
* No-7s 17-limit WE (147.895c) | |||
* No-7s 19-limit WE (148.148c) | |||
* 18zpi (153.463c) | |||
* 19zpi (147.467c) | |||
13edo | |||
* 2.5.11.13 WE (92.483c) | |||
* 2.5.7.13 WE (92.804c) | |||
* 2.3 WE (91.405c) (good for opposite 7 mapping) | |||
* 38zpi (92.531c) | |||
14edo | |||
* 22edt | |||
* 36ed6 | |||
* 11-limit WE (85.842c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (85.759c) | |||
* 42zpi (86.329c) | |||
16edo | |||
* 25edt | |||
* 41ed6 | |||
* 57ed12 | |||
* 2.5.7.13 WE (75.105c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (75.315c) | |||
* 15zpi (75.262c) | |||
23edo (too many edonoi, too many ZPIs) | |||
* Main: "23edo and octave stretching" | |||
* 36edt | |||
* 59ed6 | |||
* 60ed6 | |||
* 68ed8 | |||
* 11ed7/5 | |||
* 1ed33/32 | |||
* 2.3.5.13 WE (52.447c) | |||
* 2.7.11 WE (51.962c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (52.237c) | |||
* 83zpi (53.105c) | |||
* 84zpi (52.615c) | |||
* 85zpi (52.114c) | |||
* 86zpi ( 51.653c) | |||
* 87zpi (51.201c) | |||
60edo (too many edonoi, too many zpis) | |||
* 95edt | |||
* 139ed5 | |||
* 155ed6 | |||
* 208ed11 | |||
* 255ed19 | |||
* 272ed23 (great for catnip temperament) | |||
* 13-limit WE (20.013c) | |||
* 299zpi (20.128c) | |||
* 300zpi (20.093c) | |||
* 301zpi (20.027c) | |||
* 302zpi (19.962c) | |||
* 303zpi (19.913c) | |||
* 304zpi (19.869c) | |||
99edo | |||
* 157edt | |||
* 256ed6 | |||
* 7-limit WE (12.117c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (12.123c) | |||
* 567zpi (12.138c) | |||
* 568zpi (12.115c) | |||
; Low-medium priority | |||
32edo (too many edonoi, too many zpis) | |||
* 90ed7 | |||
* 51edt | |||
* 75ed5 | |||
* 1ed46/45 | |||
* 11-limit WE (37.453c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (37.481c) | |||
* 131zpi (37.862c) | |||
* 132zpi (37.662c) | |||
* 133zpi (37.418c) | |||
* 134zpi (37.176c) | |||
33edo (too many edonoi) | |||
* 76ed5 | |||
* 92ed7 | |||
* 52edt | |||
* 1ed47/46 | |||
* 114ed11 | |||
* 122ed13 | |||
* 93ed7 | |||
* 23edPhi | |||
* 77ed5 | |||
* 123ed13 | |||
* 115ed11 | |||
* 11-limit WE (36.349c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (36.357c) | |||
* 137zpi (36.628c) | |||
* 138zpi (36.394c) | |||
* 139zpi (36.179c) | |||
39edo | |||
* 62edt | |||
* 101ed6 | |||
* 18ed11/8 | |||
* 2.3.5.11 WE (30.703c) | |||
* 2.3.7.11.13 WE (30.787c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (30.757c) | |||
* 171zpi (30.973c) | |||
* 172zpi (30.836c) | |||
* 173zpi (30.672c) | |||
42edo | |||
* 42ed257/128 (replace w something similar but simpler) | |||
* AS123/121 (1ed123/121) | |||
* 11ed6/5 | |||
* 34ed7/4 | |||
* 7-limit WE (28.484c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (28.534c) | |||
* 189zpi (28.689c) | |||
* 190zpi (28.572c) | |||
* 191zpi (28.444c) | |||
45edo | |||
* 126ed7 | |||
* 13ed11/9 | |||
* 7-limit WE (26.745c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (26.695c) | |||
* 207zpi (26.762) | |||
* 208zpi (26.646) | |||
* 209zpi (26.550) | |||
54edo | |||
* 86edt | |||
* 126ed5 | |||
* 152ed7 | |||
* 38ed5/3 | |||
* 40ed5/3 | |||
* 2.3.7.11.13 WE (22.180c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (22.198c) | |||
* 262zpi (22.313c) | |||
* 263zpi (22.243c) | |||
* 264zpi (22.175c) | |||
59edo (too many ZPIs) | |||
* 93edt | |||
* 166ed7 | |||
* 203ed11 | |||
* 7-limit WE (20.301c) | |||
* 11-limit WE (20.310c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (20.320c) | |||
* 293zpi (20.454c) | |||
* 294zpi (20.399c) | |||
* 295zpi (20.342c) | |||
* 296zpi (20.282c) | |||
* 297zpi (20.229c) | |||
64edo (too many ZPIs, too many edonoi) | |||
* 149ed5 | |||
* 180ed7 | |||
* 222ed11 | |||
* 47ed5/3 | |||
* 11-limit WE (18.755c) | |||
* 13-limit WE (18.752c) | |||
* 325zpi (18.868c) | |||
* 326zpi (18.816c) | |||
* 327zpi (18.767c) | |||
* 328zpi (18.721c) | |||
* 329zpi (18.672c) | |||
* 330zpi (18.630c) | |||
103edo (too many edonoi) | |||
* 163edt | |||
* 239ed5 | |||
* 289ed7 | |||
* 356ed11 | |||
* 381ed13 | |||
* 421ed17 | |||
* 466ed23 | |||
* 13-limit WE (11.658c) | |||
* Best nearby ZPI(s) | |||
118edo | |||
* 187edt | |||
* 69edf | |||
* 13-limit WE (10.171c) | |||
* Best nearby ZPI(s) | |||
152edo | |||
* 241edt | |||
* 13-limit WE ( 7.894c) | |||
* Best nearby ZPI(s) | |||
; Low priority | |||
(add brainstorm list here) |