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== Theory ==

{{~~nowrap~~|62 {{=}} 2 ~~×~~ 31}} and the [[patent val]] of 62edo is a contorted [[31edo]] through the 11-limit, but it makes for a good tuning in the higher limits. In the 13-limit it tempers out [[169/168]], [[1188/1183]], [[847/845]] and [[676/675]]; in the 17-limit [[221/220]], [[273/272]], and [[289/288]]; in the 19-limit [[153/152]], [[171/170]], [[209/208]], [[286/285]], and [[361/360]]. Unlike 31edo, which has a sharp profile for primes [[13/1|13]], [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]] and [[23/1|23]], 62edo has a flat profile for these, as it removes the distinction of otonal and utonal [[superparticular]] pairs of the primes (e.g. 13/12 vs 14/13 for prime 13) by tempering out the corresponding [[square-particular]]s. This flat tendency extends to higher primes too, as the first prime harmonic that is tuned sharper than its [[5/4]] is its [[59/32]]. Interestingly, the ~~relative~~ size differences of consecutive harmonics are ~~well preserved~~ for all first 24 harmonics, and 62edo is one of the few meantone edos that achieve this, great for those who seek higher-limit [[meantone]] harmony.

{{Nowrap| 62 {{=}} 2 × 31 }} and the [[patent val]] of 62edo is a [[contorsion|contorted]] [[31edo]] through the [[11-limit]], but it makes for a good tuning in the higher limits. In the 13-limit it [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[169/168]], [[1188/1183]], [[847/845]] and [[676/675]]; in the [[17-limit]] [[221/220]], [[273/272]], and [[289/288]]; in the [[19-limit]] [[153/152]], [[171/170]], [[209/208]], [[286/285]], and [[361/360]]. Unlike 31edo, which has a sharp profile for primes [[13/1|13]], [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]] and [[23/1|23]], 62edo has a flat profile for these, as it removes the distinction of otonal and utonal [[superparticular]] pairs of the primes (e.g. 13/12 vs 14/13 for prime 13) by tempering out the corresponding [[square-particular]]s. This flat tendency extends to higher primes too, as the first prime harmonic that is tuned sharper than its [[5/4]] is its [[59/32]]. Interestingly, the size differences between consecutive harmonics are monotonically decreasing for all first 24 harmonics, and 62edo is one of the few [[meantone]] edos that achieve this, great for those who seek higher-limit meantone harmony.

It provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[~~31st-octave temperaments#Gallium|~~gallium]], [[~~Starling temperaments #Valentine|~~semivalentine]] and [[~~Meantone family #Hemimeantone|~~hemimeantone]] temperaments.

It provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[gallium]], [[semivalentine]] and [[hemimeantone]] temperaments.

Using the 35\62 generator, which leads to the {{val| 62 97 143 173 }} val, 62edo is also an excellent tuning for septimal [[mavila]] temperament; alternatively {{val| 62 97 143 172 }} [[support]]s [[hornbostel]].

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=== Subsets and supersets ===

Since 62 factors into ~~{{factorization|62}}~~, 62edo does not contain nontrivial subset edos other than [[2edo]] and 31edo. [[186edo]] and [[248edo]] are notable supersets.

Since 62 factors into 2 × 31, 62edo does not contain nontrivial subset edos other than [[2edo]] and 31edo. [[186edo]] and [[248edo]] are notable supersets.

=== ~~Miscellaneous properties~~ ===

=== Miscellany ===

62 years is the amount of years in a leap week calendar cycle which corresponds to a year of 365 days 5 hours 48 minutes 23 seconds, meaning it is both a simple cycle for a calendar, and 62 being a multiple of 31 makes it a harmonically useful and playable cycle. The corresponding maximal evenness scales are 15 & 62 and 11 & 62.

The 11 & 62 temperament in the 2.9.7 subgroup tempers out 44957696/43046721, and the three generators of 17\62 correspond to [[16/9]]. It is possible to extend this to the 11-limit with comma basis {896/891, 1331/1296}, where 17\62 is mapped to [[11/9]] and two of them make [[16/11]]. In addition, three generators make the patent val 9/8, which is also created by combining the flat patent val fifth from 31edo with the sharp 37\62 fifth.

The 11 & 62 temperament is called mabon, named so because its associated year length corresponds to an autumnal equinoctial year. In the 2.9.7 subgroup tempers out 44957696/43046721, and the three generators of 17\62 correspond to [[16/9]]. It is possible to extend this to the 11-limit with comma basis {896/891, 1331/1296}, where 17\62 is mapped to [[11/9]] and two of them make [[16/11]]. In addition, three generators make the patent val 9/8, which is also created by combining the flat patent val fifth from 31edo with the sharp 37\62 fifth.

The 15 & 62 temperament, corresponding to the leap day cycle, is ~~an unnamed extension to~~ [[~~valentine~~]] in the 13-limit.

The 15 & 62 temperament, corresponding to the leap day cycle, is [[demivalentine]] in the 13-limit.

== Intervals ==

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== Notation ==

=== Ups and downs notation ===

62edo can be notated with ~~quarter~~-~~tone accidentals and~~ [[Alternative symbols for ups and downs notation ~~#Sharp-4|ups and downs~~]]~~. This can be done by combining~~ sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from extended [[~~Helmholtz-Ellis~~ notation]]:

62edo can be notated with [[ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, upflat etc. Note that dup is equivalent to dudsharp and dud is equivalent to dupflat.

[[Alternative symbols for ups and downs notation]] uses sharps and flats and quarter-tone accidentals combined with arrows, borrowed from extended [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]]:

=== Sagittal notation ===

===Sagittal notation===

This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[69edo#Sagittal notation|69]] and [[76edo#Sagittal notation|76]], and is a superset of the notation for [[31edo#Sagittal notation|31-EDO]].

~~====Evo flavor====~~

==== Evo flavor ====

File:62-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg

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</imagemap>

====Revo flavor====

==== Revo flavor ====

File:62-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg

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</imagemap>

====Evo-SZ flavor====

==== Evo-SZ flavor ====

File:62-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg

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|}

== Approximation to JI ==

=== Zeta peak index ===

{{ZPI

| zpi = 314

| steps = 61.9380472360525

| step size = 19.3741981471691

| tempered height = 6.262952

| pure height = 4.11259

| integral = 0.952068

| gap = 15.026453

| octave = 1201.20028512448

| consistent = 8

| distinct = 8

}}

== Regular temperament properties ==

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| 1

| 3\62

| 58.06

| 58.1

| 27/26

| [[Hemisecordite]]

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| 1

| 7\62

| 135.48

| 135.5

| 13/12

| [[Doublethink]]

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| 1

| 13\62

| 251.61

| 251.6

| 15/13

| [[Hemimeantone]]

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| 1

| 17\62

| 329.03

| 329.0

| 16/11

| [[Mabon]]

|-

| 1

| 29\62

| 561.3

| 18/13

| [[Demivalentine]]

|-

| 2

| 3\62

| 58.06

| 58.1

| 27/26

| [[Semihemisecordite]]

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| 2

| 4\62

| 77.42

| 77.4

| 21/20

| [[Semivalentine]]

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| 2

| 6\62

| 116.13

| 116.1

| 15/14

| [[Semimiracle]]

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| 2

| 26\62

| 503.22

| 503.2

| 4/3

| [[Semimeantone]]

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| 31

| 29\62 (1\62)

| 561.29 (19.35)

| 561.3 (19.4)

| 11/8 (196/195)

| [[Kumhar]] (62e)

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| 31

| 19\62 (1\62)

| 367.74 (19.35)

| 367.7 (19.4)

| 16/13 (77/76)

| [[Gallium]]

|}

<nowiki>*~~</nowiki>~~ [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct

<nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct

==~~Zeta properties~~==

===~~Zeta peak index~~===

== Instruments ==

~~{| class~~=~~"wikitable"~~

~~! colspan="3" |Tuning~~

=== Lumatone ===

~~! colspan="3" |Strength~~

* [[Lumatone mapping for 62edo]]

~~! colspan="2" |Closest EDO~~

~~! colspan="2" |Integer limit~~

=== Skip fretting ===

|-

'''[[Skip fretting]] system 62 6 11''' has strings tuned 11\62 apart, while frets are 6\62.

~~!ZPI~~

~~!Steps per octave~~

On a 4-string bass, here are your open strings:

~~!Step size~~ (~~cents~~)

~~!Height~~

0 11 22 33

~~!Integral~~

~~!Gap~~

A good supraminor 3rd is found on the 2nd string, 1st fret. A supermajor third is found on the open 3rd string. The major 6th can be found on the 4th string, 2nd fret.

~~!EDO~~

~~!Octave (cents)~~

5-string bass

~~!Consistent~~

~~!Distinct~~

51 0 11 22 33

|-

|[[~~314zpi~~]]

This adds an interval of a major 7th (minus an 8ve) at the first string, 1st fret.

~~|61.9380472360525~~

~~|19.3741981471691~~

6-string guitar

~~|6.262952~~

|0.~~952068~~

0 11 22 33 44 55

~~|15~~.~~026453~~

|62edo

”Major” 020131

~~|1201.20028512448~~

|8

7-string guitar

|8

|}

0 11 22 33 44 55 4

'''Skip fretting system 62 9 11''' is another 62edo skip fretting system. The 5th is on the 5th string. The major 3rd is on the 2nd string, 1st fret.

{{todo|add illustration|text=Base it off of the diagram from [[User:MisterShafXen/Skip fretting system 62 9 11]]}}

== Music ==

; [[Bryan Deister]]

* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UerD0NqBbng ''microtonal improvisation in 62edo''] (2025)

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 {{Infobox ET}}
-{{EDO intro|62}}
+{{ED intro}}
 == Theory ==
-{{nowrap|62 {{=}} 2 &times; 31}} and the [[patent val]] of 62edo is a contorted [[31edo]] through the 11-limit, but it makes for a good tuning in the higher limits. In the 13-limit it tempers out [[169/168]], [[1188/1183]], [[847/845]] and [[676/675]]; in the 17-limit [[221/220]], [[273/272]], and [[289/288]]; in the 19-limit [[153/152]], [[171/170]], [[209/208]], [[286/285]], and [[361/360]]. Unlike 31edo, which has a sharp profile for primes [[13/1|13]], [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]] and [[23/1|23]], 62edo has a flat profile for these, as it removes the distinction of otonal and utonal [[superparticular]] pairs of the primes (e.g. 13/12 vs 14/13 for prime 13) by tempering out the corresponding [[square-particular]]s. This flat tendency extends to higher primes too, as the first prime harmonic that is tuned sharper than its [[5/4]] is its [[59/32]]. Interestingly, the relative size differences of consecutive harmonics are well preserved for all first 24 harmonics, and 62edo is one of the few meantone edos that achieve this, great for those who seek higher-limit [[meantone]] harmony.
+{{Nowrap| 62 {{=}} 2 × 31 }} and the [[patent val]] of 62edo is a [[contorsion|contorted]] [[31edo]] through the [[11-limit]], but it makes for a good tuning in the higher limits. In the 13-limit it [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[169/168]], [[1188/1183]], [[847/845]] and [[676/675]]; in the [[17-limit]] [[221/220]], [[273/272]], and [[289/288]]; in the [[19-limit]] [[153/152]], [[171/170]], [[209/208]], [[286/285]], and [[361/360]]. Unlike 31edo, which has a sharp profile for primes [[13/1|13]], [[17/1|17]], [[19/1|19]] and [[23/1|23]], 62edo has a flat profile for these, as it removes the distinction of otonal and utonal [[superparticular]] pairs of the primes (e.g. 13/12 vs 14/13 for prime 13) by tempering out the corresponding [[square-particular]]s. This flat tendency extends to higher primes too, as the first prime harmonic that is tuned sharper than its [[5/4]] is its [[59/32]]. Interestingly, the size differences between consecutive harmonics are monotonically decreasing for all first 24 harmonics, and 62edo is one of the few [[meantone]] edos that achieve this, great for those who seek higher-limit meantone harmony.
-It provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[31st-octave temperaments#Gallium|gallium]], [[Starling temperaments #Valentine|semivalentine]] and [[Meantone family #Hemimeantone|hemimeantone]] temperaments.
+It provides the [[optimal patent val]] for [[gallium]], [[semivalentine]] and [[hemimeantone]] temperaments.
 Using the 35\62 generator, which leads to the {{val| 62 97 143 173 }} val, 62edo is also an excellent tuning for septimal [[mavila]] temperament; alternatively {{val| 62 97 143 172 }} [[support]]s [[hornbostel]].
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 === Subsets and supersets ===
-Since 62 factors into {{factorization|62}}, 62edo does not contain nontrivial subset edos other than [[2edo]] and 31edo. [[186edo]] and [[248edo]] are notable supersets.
+Since 62 factors into 2 × 31, 62edo does not contain nontrivial subset edos other than [[2edo]] and 31edo. [[186edo]] and [[248edo]] are notable supersets.
-=== Miscellaneous properties ===
+=== Miscellany ===
 years is the amount of years in a leap week calendar cycle which corresponds to a year of 365 days 5 hours 48 minutes 23 seconds, meaning it is both a simple cycle for a calendar, and 62 being a multiple of 31 makes it a harmonically useful and playable cycle. The corresponding maximal evenness scales are 15 & 62 and 11 & 62.
-The 11 & 62 temperament in the 2.9.7 subgroup tempers out 44957696/43046721, and the three generators of 17\62 correspond to [[16/9]]. It is possible to extend this to the 11-limit with comma basis {896/891, 1331/1296}, where 17\62 is mapped to [[11/9]] and two of them make [[16/11]]. In addition, three generators make the patent val 9/8, which is also created by combining the flat patent val fifth from 31edo with the sharp 37\62 fifth.
+The 11 & 62 temperament is called mabon, named so because its associated year length corresponds to an autumnal equinoctial year. In the 2.9.7 subgroup tempers out 44957696/43046721, and the three generators of 17\62 correspond to [[16/9]]. It is possible to extend this to the 11-limit with comma basis {896/891, 1331/1296}, where 17\62 is mapped to [[11/9]] and two of them make [[16/11]]. In addition, three generators make the patent val 9/8, which is also created by combining the flat patent val fifth from 31edo with the sharp 37\62 fifth.
-The 15 & 62 temperament, corresponding to the leap day cycle, is an unnamed extension to [[valentine]] in the 13-limit.
+The 15 & 62 temperament, corresponding to the leap day cycle, is [[demivalentine]] in the 13-limit.
 == Intervals ==
@@ Line 349: / Line 349: @@
 == Notation ==
 === Ups and downs notation ===
-edo can be notated with quarter-tone accidentals and [[Alternative symbols for ups and downs notation #Sharp-4|ups and downs]]. This can be done by combining sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from extended [[Helmholtz-Ellis notation]]:
+edo can be notated with [[ups and downs]], spoken as up, dup, downsharp, sharp, upsharp etc. and down, dud, upflat etc. Note that dup is equivalent to dudsharp and dud is equivalent to dupflat.
+{{Sharpness-sharp4a}}
+[[Alternative symbols for ups and downs notation]] uses sharps and flats and quarter-tone accidentals combined with arrows, borrowed from extended [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]]:
 {{Sharpness-sharp4}}
+=== Sagittal notation ===
-===Sagittal notation===
 This notation uses the same sagittal sequence as EDOs [[69edo#Sagittal notation|69]] and [[76edo#Sagittal notation|76]], and is a superset of the notation for [[31edo#Sagittal notation|31-EDO]].
-====Evo flavor====
+==== Evo flavor ====
 <imagemap>
 File:62-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg
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 </imagemap>
-====Revo flavor====
+==== Revo flavor ====
 <imagemap>
 File:62-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg
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 </imagemap>
-====Evo-SZ flavor====
+==== Evo-SZ flavor ====
 <imagemap>
 File:62-EDO_Evo-SZ_Sagittal.svg
@@ Line 788: / Line 786: @@
 |
 |}
+== Approximation to JI ==
+=== Zeta peak index ===
+{{ZPI
+| zpi = 314
+| steps = 61.9380472360525
+| step size = 19.3741981471691
+| tempered height = 6.262952
+| pure height = 4.11259
+| integral = 0.952068
+| gap = 15.026453
+| octave = 1201.20028512448
+| consistent = 8
+| distinct = 8
+}}
 == Regular temperament properties ==
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 | 1
 | 3\62
-| 58.06
+| 58.1
 | 27/26
 | [[Hemisecordite]]
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 | 1
 | 7\62
-| 135.48
+| 135.5
 | 13/12
 | [[Doublethink]]
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 | 1
 | 13\62
-| 251.61
+| 251.6
 | 15/13
 | [[Hemimeantone]]
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 | 1
 | 17\62
-| 329.03
+| 329.0
 | 16/11
 | [[Mabon]]
+|-
+| 1
+| 29\62
+| 561.3
+| 18/13
+| [[Demivalentine]]
 |-
 | 2
 | 3\62
-| 58.06
+| 58.1
 | 27/26
 | [[Semihemisecordite]]
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 | 2
 | 4\62
-| 77.42
+| 77.4
 | 21/20
 | [[Semivalentine]]
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 | 2
 | 6\62
-| 116.13
+| 116.1
 | 15/14
 | [[Semimiracle]]
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 | 2
 | 26\62
-| 503.22
+| 503.2
 | 4/3
 | [[Semimeantone]]
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 | 31
 | 29\62<br>(1\62)
-| 561.29<br>(19.35)
+| 561.3<br>(19.4)
 | 11/8<br>(196/195)
 | [[Kumhar]] (62e)
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 | 31
 | 19\62<br>(1\62)
-| 367.74<br>(19.35)
+| 367.7<br>(19.4)
 | 16/13<br>(77/76)
 | [[Gallium]]
 |}
-<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
+<nowiki/>* [[Normal lists|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
-==Zeta properties==
-===Zeta peak index===
+== Instruments ==
-{| class="wikitable"
-! colspan="3" |Tuning
+=== Lumatone ===
-! colspan="3" |Strength
+* [[Lumatone mapping for 62edo]]
-! colspan="2" |Closest EDO
-! colspan="2" |Integer limit
+=== Skip fretting ===
-|-
+'''[[Skip fretting]] system 62 6 11''' has strings tuned 11\62 apart, while frets are 6\62.
-!ZPI
-!Steps per octave
+On a 4-string bass, here are your open strings:
-!Step size (cents)
-!Height
+11 22 33
-!Integral
-!Gap
+A good supraminor 3rd is found on the 2nd string, 1st fret. A supermajor third is found on the open 3rd string. The major 6th can be found on the 4th string, 2nd fret.
-!EDO
-!Octave (cents)
+-string bass
-!Consistent
-!Distinct
+0 11 22 33
-|-
-|[[314zpi]]
+This adds an interval of a major 7th (minus an 8ve) at the first string, 1st fret.
-|61.9380472360525
-|19.3741981471691
+-string guitar
-|6.262952
-|0.952068
+11 22 33 44 55
-|15.026453
-|62edo
+”Major” 020131
-|1201.20028512448
-|8
+-string guitar
-|8
-|}
+11 22 33 44 55 4
+'''Skip fretting system 62 9 11''' is another 62edo skip fretting system. The 5th is on the 5th string. The major 3rd is on the 2nd string, 1st fret.
+{{todo|add illustration|text=Base it off of the diagram from [[User:MisterShafXen/Skip fretting system 62 9 11]]}}
+== Music ==
+; [[Bryan Deister]]
+* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UerD0NqBbng ''microtonal improvisation in 62edo''] (2025)