Talk:Generator preimage: Difference between revisions

Sintel (talk | contribs)
No edit summary
Sintel (talk | contribs)
m Sintel moved page Talk:Transversal generators to Talk:Generator preimage: Use more common term over transversal
 
(3 intermediate revisions by 2 users not shown)
Line 22: Line 22:
: I have left out some details and matrix transposes. Hopefully this helps clear things up.
: I have left out some details and matrix transposes. Hopefully this helps clear things up.
:-[[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 00:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
:-[[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 00:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
:: Thanks as always Sintel. I haven't taken the time to add this to the main page because I haven't understood it fully myself yet. But you are welcome to do so. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 19:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
== Simpler algorithm ==
The algorithm given in the text is needlessly complex. I will give a simpler one here:
Given a saturated mapping matrix M, calculate the Smith normal form:
<math>
D = LMR
</math>
where D is rectangular diagonal and L, R are unimodular. The transversals can be found as the columns of X:
<math>
X = R D^{\mathsf T} L
</math>
It works because we have:
<math>
D = LMR \\
\Rightarrow M = L^{-1}DR^{-1}
</math>
Because L and R are invertible in <math>\mathbb{Z}</math>, by the definition of the Smith normal form. We want to solve:
<math>
MX = I \\
\Rightarrow L^{-1}DR^{-1}X = I \\
\Rightarrow DR^{-1}X = L
</math>
Now the upper left submatrix of <math>D^{\mathsf T}D</math> is identity iff M is saturated, so:
<math>
\Rightarrow R^{-1}X = D^{\mathsf T} L \\
\Rightarrow X = R D^{\mathsf T} L \quad \text{qed.}
</math>
-[[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 18:51, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
: Love it! I've added my interpretation of this to the main page. Feel free to tweak if you see necessary. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 19:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Return to "Generator preimage" page.