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== Proposal: Naming mosses with more than 10 steps (work-in-progress) ==
== Proposal: Naming mosses with more than 10 steps (work-in-progress) ==
See: [[User:Ganaram inukshuk/TAMNAMS Extension]]
See: [[User:Ganaram inukshuk/TAMNAMS Extension]]
== Naming mosses ==
== Changes to mos names ==
 
===Which mosses are worth naming?===
Updates to TAMNAMS around 2022 have imposed a maximum step count of 10. I'm arguing there should be a minimum note count 6 for the following reasons:
 
*Mosses with step counts less than 6 have generator ranges so broad that they encompass multiple temperaments and can be expanded to multiple mosses.
*Mosses 1L 1s, 1L 2s, and 2L 1s have extremely broad generator ranges that it may be difficult to generalize anything about them, let alone compose with them.
*The parents of most of the mosses with note counts 6-10 are mosses with 4-5 notes, so to denote these mosses, it may be better to think of these parents as subsets of those larger mosses instead. When people compose with 2L 3s, for example, they don't invent entirely new notation for that; instead, they use notation for 5L 2s and skip two of the notes.
**1L 3s, parent of 1L 5s and 5L 1s
**3L 1s, parent of 3L 4s and 4L 3s
**1L 5s, parent of 1L 6s and 6L 1s
** 2L 3s, parent of 2L 5s and 5L 2s
**3L 2s, parent of 3L 5s and 5L 3s
**4L 1s, parent of 4L 5s and 5L 4s
*The names for these small mosses differ from the other mos names in that they're meant to be equave-agnostic. It's not that these names would go away; rather, they'd be going somewhere else. (Where is not known at the moment.)
 
As such, the list of names is as follows:
 
===Proposed style guide===
The following is a proposed guide for naming mosses, based on patterns gleamed from existing mosses. There are also exceptions to these rules.
The following is a proposed guide for naming mosses, based on patterns gleamed from existing mosses. There are also exceptions to these rules.


# Names for single-period mosses with 5 or fewer notes are the most general names, not limited to an equivalence interval of an octave, and end with -ic or -al. These should be the only mosses that contain the anti- prefix, shortened to an-.  
#Names for single-period mosses with 5 or fewer notes are the most general names, not limited to an equivalence interval of an octave, and end with -ic or -al. These should be the only mosses that contain the anti- prefix, shortened to an-.  
## Monowood is an exception in that it does not end with -ic or -al.
##Monowood is an exception in that it does not end with -ic or -al.
# Names for single-period mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -tonic, suggesting that these are octave-specific and reference a specific interval, or a notable pre-TAMNAMS or other temperament-agnostic name.
# Names for single-period mosses not of the form 1L ns end with -tonic, suggesting that these are octave-specific and reference a specific interval, or a notable pre-TAMNAMS or other temperament-agnostic name.
## Temperament-based names may be justified if it applies to a mos with a sufficiently narrow generator range, or if no other naming options are available. Such names should end with -oid.
##Temperament-based names may be justified if it applies to a mos with a sufficiently narrow generator range, or if no other naming options are available. Such names should end with -oid.
## Mosh, semiquartal, balzano, and pine are exceptions to this rule.
##Mosh, semiquartal, balzano, and pine are exceptions to this rule.
# Single-period mosses of the form 1L ns with 6 or more notes are named after minerals and gemstones.
#Single-period mosses of the form 1L ns with 6 or more notes are named after minerals and gemstones.
## This requires renaming existing mosses, namely antimachinoid, antipine, antisubneutralic, and antisinatonic.
## This requires renaming existing mosses, namely antimachinoid, antipine, antisubneutralic, and antisinatonic.
# Multi-period mos names should bear the -ic suffix.
# Multi-period mos names should bear the -ic suffix.
## All of the wood mosses are exceptions to this rule, as are lemon, lime, and tcherepnin.
##All of the wood mosses are exceptions to this rule, as are lemon, lime, and tcherepnin.
# With the exception of mosses named under rule 1, mosses should avoid having additional prefixes if possible, such as anti-, sub-, or super-, and mosses should avoid sharing the same word stem unless the mosses in question are related in some way.
# With the exception of mosses named under rule 1, mosses should avoid having additional prefixes if possible, such as anti-, sub-, or super-, and mosses should avoid sharing the same word stem unless the mosses in question are related in some way.
## Sets of mosses that share a relationship with one another include the following: subaric, jaric, and taric; monowood, biwood, triwood, tetrawood, pentawood; antidiatonic and diatonic (in that they're sister mosses)
##Sets of mosses that share a relationship with one another include the following: subaric, jaric, and taric; monowood, biwood, triwood, tetrawood, pentawood; antidiatonic and diatonic (in that they're sister mosses)


=== Changes to existing names ===
===Changes to existing names===
This section describes changes to existing [[TAMNAMS]] names that I would make, given the proposal described in the previous section and the following reasons:
This section describes changes to existing [[TAMNAMS]] names that I would make, given the proposal described in the previous section and the following reasons:


* Some names are still based on a temperament (mainly the -oid names), so those are either replaced with a new name or at least altered so the references are more indirect.
*Some names are still based on a temperament (mainly the -oid names), so those are either replaced with a new name or at least altered so the references are more indirect.
* There were Discord users with whom I shared a similar sentiment regarding the names of certain scales, mainly the mosses with the anti- prefix and the scales antidiatonic and superdiatonic.
*There were Discord users with whom I shared a similar sentiment regarding the names of certain scales, mainly the mosses with the anti- prefix and the scales antidiatonic and superdiatonic.
* Some names are too long (in my opinion).
*Some names are too long (in my opinion).


The choice of names are not perfect and some may have issues. Some name suggestions went through different versions. This section is meant to start a discussion on alternate names should a need come up for it. Some of these suggestions may be outdated as TAMNAMS names change, rendering such suggestions unnecessary; notes regarding such changes are in '''bold'''.
The choice of names are not perfect and some may have issues. Some name suggestions went through different versions. This section is meant to start a discussion on alternate names should a need come up for it. Some of these suggestions may be outdated as TAMNAMS names change, rendering such suggestions unnecessary; notes regarding such changes are in '''bold'''.
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!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
!Name
!Name
!Prefix
! Prefix
!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
|-
|-
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|antimachinoid
|antimachinoid
|amech-
|amech-
|amech
| amech
|selenite or moonstone
|selenite or moonstone
|sel- or moon-
|sel- or moon-
|sel or moon
| sel or moon
| rowspan="4" |Shorter names. These names follow in the same spirit as "onyx" for 1L 6s in the following ways:
| rowspan="4" |Shorter names. These names follow in the same spirit as "onyx" for 1L 6s in the following ways:


* "Selenite" is a mineral and is Greek for "moon", indirectly referencing [[luna]] temperament, as does "moonstone".
*"Selenite" is a mineral and is Greek for "moon", indirectly referencing [[luna]] temperament, as does "moonstone".
* "Spinel" contains the word "pine", referencing its sister mos of "pine".
*"Spinel" contains the word "pine", referencing its sister mos of "pine".
* Depending on pronunciation, the word "agate" may rhyme with "eight".
* Depending on pronunciation, the word "agate" may rhyme with "eight".
* Depending on pronunciation, the word "olivine" may rhyme with "nine".
*Depending on pronunciation, the word "olivine" may rhyme with "nine".
| rowspan="4" |Puns; dependent on pronunciation, which may vary.
| rowspan="4" |Puns; dependent on pronunciation, which may vary.
A compromise is to recognize both the current and proposed names:
A compromise is to recognize both the current and proposed names:


* 1L 5s: antimachinoid, selenite
*1L 5s: antimachinoid, selenite
* 1L 6s: antiarcheotonic (new name), onyx
* 1L 6s: antiarcheotonic (new name), onyx
* 1L 7s: antipine, spinel
* 1L 7s: antipine, spinel
* 1L 8s: antisubneutralic, agate
*1L 8s: antisubneutralic, agate
* 1L 9s: antisinatonic, olivine
*1L 9s: antisinatonic, olivine
|-
|-
|1L 7s
|1L 7s
|antipine
|antipine
|apine-
|apine-
|apine
| apine
|spinel
|spinel
|spin-
|spin-
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|ablu
|ablu
|agate
|agate
|aga- or agat-
| aga- or agat-
|aga
|aga
|-
|-
|1L 9s
| 1L 9s
|antisinatonic
|antisinatonic
|asina-
|asina-
|asi
|asi
|olivine
|olivine
|oliv-
|oli
|oliv
|oli
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |2L 5s
| rowspan="2" | 2L 5s
| rowspan="2" |antidiatonic
| rowspan="2" |antidiatonic
| rowspan="2" |pel-
| rowspan="2" |pel-
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|pelotonic
|pelotonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
| unchagned
|Option 1: make 2L 5s more distinct from 5L 2s. This mirrors a few Discord users' sentiments regarding this scale in that it should not be treated as an "inversion" of 5L 2s but should be treated as something unique.
|Option 1: make 2L 5s more distinct from 5L 2s. This mirrors a few Discord users' sentiments regarding this scale in that it should not be treated as an "inversion" of 5L 2s but should be treated as something unique.
|Connections to 5L 2s may be beneficial to musicians, and this connection already exists for mavila.
|Connections to 5L 2s may be beneficial to musicians, and this connection already exists for mavila.
Hairtonic.
Hairtonic.
|-
|-
|unchanged
|adiatonic
|adia-
|adia-
|adia.
| adia.
|Option 2: leave it as-is but change the prefix to adia-.
|Option 2: leave it as-is but change the prefix to adia-.
|May be too minor of a change.
|May be too minor of a change.
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|blu
|blu
|azurtonic
|azurtonic
|azu- or unchanged
| azu- or unchanged
|azu or unchanged
|azu or unchanged
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|An indirect reference to [[bleu]] temperament; azure is a specific shade of blue. Simplified name. Also, the sub- prefix may falsely suggest another scale called "(prefix)neutralic", similar to how sub'''aric''' (2L 6s) is the parent to both j'''aric''' (2L 8s) and t'''aric''' (8L 2s).
|New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
| New name is referencing a temperament, albeit indirectly. The sub- prefix reasoning may be a stretch, since subaric, jaric, and taric are the only mosses related this way.
|-
|-
|3L 2s
| 3L 2s
|antipentic
|antipentic
|apent-
|apent-
|apt
|apt
|anpentic
|anpentic
| unchanged
|unchanged
|unchanged
|unchanged
| Makes the name more consistent with other an- mosses.
|Makes the name more consistent with other an- mosses.
|Too minor of a modification. A possible compromise is to accept it as a spelling variant.
|Too minor of a modification. A possible compromise is to accept it as a spelling variant.
|-
|-
! colspan="9" |Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments (least justifiable changes)
! colspan="9" | Changes to names to reduce or remove references to temperaments (least justifiable changes)
|-
|-
! rowspan="2" |Mos
! rowspan="2" |Mos
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!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
!Name
!Name
!Prefix
! Prefix
!Abbrev.
!Abbrev.
|-
|-
|5L 1s
| 5L 1s
|machinoid
|machinoid
|mech-
|mech-
|mech
| mech
|mechatonic
|mechatonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
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|seph-
|seph-
|seph
|seph
|sephirotonic or sephiratonic
| sephirotonic or sephiratonic
|unchagned
|unchagned
|unchagned
| unchagned
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
|Rather than alluding to [[sephiroth]] temperament, the name should allude to Peter Kosmorsky's ''[https://ia800703.us.archive.org/12/items/TractatumDeModiSephiratorum/ModiSephiratorum.pdf Tractatum de Modi Sephiratorum]'' (A Treatise on the Modes of the Sephirates), whose name ultimately comes from the [[wikipedia:Sefirot|sefirot]]. The document describes several edos that are said to contain the "modi sephiratorum" (sephirate modes). Therefore, instead of the name "sephiroid", suggesting that the mos pattern resembles the modi sephiratorum, the mos pattern ''is'' the modi sephiratorum, hence the mosname "sephirotonic".
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
|May still reference sephiroth temperament. For a more indirect reference, an alternate transliteration of סְפִירוֹת (sefirot) may be used instead.
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|'''Too minor of a modification.''' The use of "bar" as an abbreviation may be problematic ("bar" may also mean "measure" in sheet music).
|'''Too minor of a modification.''' The use of "bar" as an abbreviation may be problematic ("bar" may also mean "measure" in sheet music).
|}
|}
{| class="wikitable"
 
|+Table of mosses with all proposed name changes (changed names are shown in bold)
=== Table of all proposed changes ===
! colspan="18" |Single-period mosses
Changed names are denoted in '''bold'''.
{| class="wikitable center-all"
|+TAMNAMS mos names
! colspan="5" |Mosses with 2-5 notes are skipped entirely.
|-
! colspan="5" |6-note mosses
|-
!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix">used in interval, degree and mode names, e.g. ''perfect 3-oneirostep, perfect 3-oneirodegree, oneiro-3-up''</ref>!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr">written abbreviations of prefixes, e.g. ''P3oneis, P3oneid, onei-3|4''</ref>!!Etymology
|-
|[[1L 5s]]||'''selenite; moonstone'''||sel-||sel||indirect reference to luna temperament
|-
|[[2L 4s]]||malic||mal-||mal||apples have two concave ends, lemons have two pointy ends.
|-
|[[3L 3s]]||triwood||triwd-||trw||from 3-wood
|-
|[[4L 2s]]||citric||citro-||cit||parent mos of lemon and lime
|-
|[[5L 1s]]||machinoid||mech-||mech||from [[machine]] temperament
|-
! colspan="5" |7-note mosses
|-
!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology
|-
|[[1L 6s]]||onyx||on-||on||[[#Onyx (1L 6s)|from a ''lot'' of naming puns]]
|-
|[[2L 5s]]||antidiatonic||pel-||pel||pel- is from pelog
|-
|-
!Mos
|[[3L 4s]]||mosh||mosh-||mosh||Graham Breed's name; from "mohajira-ish"
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
|-
|-
| rowspan="16" |1L 1s
|[[4L 3s]]||smitonic||smi-||smi||from "sharp minor third"
| rowspan="16" |trivial
monowood
| rowspan="11" |1L 2s
| rowspan="11" |antrial
| rowspan="8" |1L 3s
| rowspan="8" |antetric
| rowspan="6" |1L 4s
| rowspan="6" |pedal
| rowspan="5" |1L 5s
| rowspan="5" |'''selenite'''
| rowspan="4" |1L 6s
| rowspan="4" |'''onyx'''
| rowspan="3" |1L 7s
| rowspan="3" |'''spinel'''
| rowspan="2" |1L 8s
| rowspan="2" |'''agate'''
|1L 9s
|'''olivine'''
|-
|-
|9L 1s
|[[5L 2s]]||diatonic||dia-||dia||
|sinatonic
|-
|-
|8L 1s
|[[6L 1s]]||arch(a)eotonic||arch-||arch||originally a name for 13edo's 6L 1s
|'''azurtonic'''
| colspan="2" rowspan="14" |
|-
|-
|7L 1s
! colspan="5" |8-note mosses
|pine
| colspan="2" rowspan="13" |
|-
|-
|6L 1s
!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology
|arch(a)eotonic
| colspan="2" rowspan="12" |
|-
|-
|5L 1s
|[[1L 7s]]||'''spinel'''||spin-||sp||contains the substring "pine"
|machinoid
| colspan="2" rowspan="11" |
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |4L  1s
|[[2L 6s]]||subaric||subar-||subar||largest subset mos of jaric and taric
| rowspan="2" |manual
|5L 4s
|semiquartal
|-
|-
|4L 5s
|[[3L 5s]]||checkertonic||check-||chk||from the [[Kite Giedraitis's Categorizations of 41edo Scales|Kite guitar checkerboard scale]]
|gramitonic
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" |3L 1s
|[[4L 4s]]||tetrawood; diminished||tetrawd-||ttw||from 4-wood
| rowspan="3" |tetric
|4L 3s
|smitonic
| colspan="2" |
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |3L 4s
|[[5L 3s]]||oneirotonic||oneiro-||onei||originally a name for 13edo's 5L 3s
| rowspan="2" |mosh
|7L 3s
|dicoid
|-
|-
|3L 7s
|[[6L 2s]]||ekic||ek-||ek||from temperaments [[echidna]] and [[hedgehog]]
|sephiroid
|-
|-
| rowspan="5" |2L 1s
|[[7L 1s]]||pine||pine-||pine||from [[porcupine]] temperament
| rowspan="5" |trial
| rowspan="2" |3L 2s
| rowspan="2" |'''anpentic'''
|3L 5s
|checkertonic
| colspan="2" rowspan="3" |
|-
|-
|5L 3s
! colspan="5" |9-note mosses
|oneirotonic
|-
|-
| rowspan="3" |2L 3s
!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology
| rowspan="3" |pentic
|5L 2s
|diatonic
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |2L 5s
|[[1L 8s]]||'''agate'''||ag-||ag||rhymes with "eight", depending on one's pronunciation
| rowspan="2" |'''pelotonic'''
|7L 2s
|'''armotonic'''
|-
|-
|2L 7s
|[[2L 7s]]||balzano||bal- /bæl/||bal||from Balzano scale in 20edo which is 2L 7s
|balzano
|-
|-
! colspan="18" |2-period mosses
|[[3L 6s]]||tcherepnin||cher-||ch||common name
|-
|-
!Mos
|[[4L 5s]]||gramitonic||gram-||gram||from "grave minor third"
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="10" rowspan="6" |
|-
|-
| rowspan="5" |2L 2s
|[[5L 4s]]||semiquartal||cthon-||cth||from "half fourth" and "chthonic"
| rowspan="5" |biwood
| rowspan="3" |2L 4s
| rowspan="3" |malic
| rowspan="2" |2L 6s
| rowspan="2" |subaric
|2L 8s
|jaric
|-
|-
|8L 2s
|[[6L 3s]]||hyrulic||hyru-||hyru||allusion to [[triforce]] temperament
|taric
|-
|-
|6L 2s
|[[7L 2s]]||superdiatonic; armotonic||arm-||arm||superdiatonic is a common name; arm- and armotonic references [[Armodue]]
|ekic
| colspan="2" rowspan="3" |
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |4L 2s
|[[8L 1s]]||subneutralic||blu-||blu||derived from the generator being between supraminor and neutral quality. blu- is from [[bleu]] temperament
| rowspan="2" |citric
|6L 4s
|lemon
|-
|-
|4L 6s
! colspan="5" |10-note mosses
|lime
|-
|-
! colspan="18" |3-period mosses
!Pattern!!Name!!Prefix<ref name="prefix" />!!Abbr.<ref name="abbr" />!!Etymology
|-
|-
!Mos
|[[1L 9s]]||'''olivine'''||oli-||oli||rhymes with "nine", depending on one's pronunciation
!Name
!Mos
!Name
| colspan="14" rowspan="3" |
|-
|-
| rowspan="2" |3L 3s
|[[2L 8s]]||jaric||jara-||jar||from temperaments [[pajara]], [[injera]] and [[diaschismic]]
| rowspan="2" |triwood
|3L 6s
|tcherepnin
|-
|-
|6L 3s
|[[3L 7s]]||sephiroid||seph-||seph||from [[sephiroth]] temperament
|hyrulic
|-
|-
! colspan="18" |4-period mosses
|[[4L 6s]]||lime||lime-||lime||limes/4L 6s's steps tend to be smaller than lemons/6L 4s's steps
|-
|-
!Mos
|[[5L 5s]]||pentawood||pentawd-||pw||from 5-wood
!Name
| colspan="16" rowspan="2" |
|-
|-
|4L 4s
|[[6L 4s]]||lemon||lem-||lem||from [[lemba]] temperament
|tetrawood
|-
|-
! colspan="18" |5-period mosses
|[[7L 3s]]||dicoid /'daɪˌkɔɪd/||dico-||dico||from exotemperaments [[Dicot family#Dichotic|dichotic]] and [[dicot]] (dicoid)
|-
|-
!Mos
|[[8L 2s]]||taric||tara-||tar||from Hindi ''aṭhārah'' '[[#Taric (8L 2s)|18]]'
!Name
| colspan="16" rowspan="2" |
|-
|-
|5L 5s
|[[9L 1s]]||sinatonic||sina-||si||from [[sinaic]]
|pentawood
|}
|}
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