Talk:Song Translations by Kite Giedraitis to The Kite Guitar

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Greensleeves

I don't think there needs to be any IVm at all. There are many variations of the song, including ones with half the chords, just going Im - bVII - bVI - V without the second variations on each. But to include the very nice more-complex chord progression, I still find it better to use Im - bIII - bVII - Vm - Im - bVI - V / for the opening, no IVm. I don't mind the IVm as a version, but it doesn't translate as well, and I don't find it as satisfying or traditional. If we drop the IVm, I think everything will go smoother. --Wolftune (talk) 21:20, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Updated thoughts:

The simpler 4-chord progression avoids most issues. Some of the variations come from commas being tempered out. The embellishments get complex.

One 4-chord variation I like: I^m - V^m - ^bVIv - Vv. But the ^bVIIv that could be used as a variation to V^m, I only find it smooth when arriving to it from the ^bIII variation in the 1st quarter of the phrase. In other words, I^m / - ^bVIIv sounds weird, whereas either of: I^m - ^bIII - ^bVIIv - V^m or maybe swap the last two for I^m - ^bIII - V^m - ^bVIIv. By contrast, the I^m - (plain) bVIIv - ^bVIv - Vv sounds good too. But that doesn't blend well with V^m as a variation to the bVIIv. A surprising variation sounds okay to me: I^m - ^bIIIv - bVIIv - vV^m - ^bVIv - I^m - Vv / — except the plain bVIIv sounds weird to me after some time playing with the ^bVII and V^m (even though earlier the plain bVIIv sounded fine).

Also, I didn't like the Vv,^7 initially at all. I preferred either a regular Vv7 (perhaps with high-3 to avoid the prominence of the 7) or the more traditional Vv with no 7. There's no need for the 7 in that it's not part of the melody.

As I was even typing this updated comment, my mind shifted. I can see how even though it seems less traditional, the IV^m works when it is clearly a variation off of ^bVIIv. And the Vv,^7 started sounding okay enough when I was getting used to ^bVIIv instead of plain bVIIv. So, several variations can work, but not in any combination.

I do think a beginners' version without all the variations of chords would be worth doing as it could focus on inversions and melody incorporation to make the whole arrangement work nicely. The simple I^m - bVIIv - ^bVIv - Vv is trivially easy and the melody variations around that are pretty doable. --Wolftune (talk) 22:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

UPDATE: After playing more, I'm convinced that the whole thing works smoothly enough, with or without all the embellishments, including even the IV^m. The chords in total are clearer when written as though the song were in the relative major, the full list is: Iv, vII^m, vIII^m, vIIIv, IVv, Vv, vVI^m — super straightforward. The full order for the first half using that reference is: vVI^m - Iv - Vv - vIII^m - IVv - vII^m - vIIIv

also, I can play functional version with inversions and melody interwoven with chords and it works fine on 6-strings without lots of challenges. --Wolftune (talk) 22:32, 28 December 2019 (UTC)