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This article focuses on rank-2 temperaments. See [[Archytas family]] for the [[rank-3 temperament]] resulting from tempering out 64/63 alone in the full 7-limit.  
This article focuses on rank-2 temperaments. See [[Archytas family]] for the [[rank-3 temperament]] resulting from tempering out 64/63 alone in the full 7-limit.  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere include:
* ''[[Blackwood]]'' (+28/27) → [[Limmic temperaments#Blackwood|Limmic temperaments]]
* ''[[Porcupine]]'' (+250/243) → [[Porcupine family#Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]


== Archy ==
== Archy ==
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==== 7-limit extensions ====
==== 7-limit extensions ====
The second comma in the comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at:  
The second comma in the comma list defines which [[7-limit]] family member we are looking at:  
* [[#Schism|Schism]] adds 360/343, for a tuning around [[12edo]];  
* [[#Schism|Schism]] adds [[360/343]], for a tuning around [[12edo]];  
* Dominant adds [[36/35]], for a tuning between [[12edo]] and [[17edo|17c-edo]];  
* [[Meantone family #Dominant|Dominant]] adds [[36/35]], for a tuning between [[12edo]] and [[17edo|17c-edo]];  
* [[#Quasisuper|Quasisuper]] adds [[2430/2401]], for a tuning between 17c-edo and [[22edo]];  
* [[#Quasisuper|Quasisuper]] adds [[2430/2401]], for a tuning between 17c-edo and [[22edo]];  
* [[#Superpyth|Superpyth]] adds [[245/243]], for a tuning between 22edo and [[27edo]];  
* [[#Superpyth|Superpyth]] adds [[245/243]], for a tuning between 22edo and [[27edo]];  
* [[#Quasiultra|Quasiultra]] adds 33614/32805, for a tuning between 27edo and [[32edo]];  
* [[#Quasiultra|Quasiultra]] adds [[33614/32805]], for a tuning between 27edo and [[32edo]];  
* [[#Ultrapyth|Ultrapyth]] adds 6860/6561, for a tuning sharp of 32edo;  
* [[#Ultrapyth|Ultrapyth]] adds [[6860/6561]], for a tuning sharp of 32edo;  
* Mother adds [[16/15]], for an exotemperament well tuned around [[5edo]].  
* Mother adds [[16/15]], for an exotemperament well tuned around [[5edo]].  


These all use the same generators as archy.  
These all use the same generators as archy.  


[[686/675]] gives beatles, splitting the fifth in two. [[8748/8575]] gives immunized, splitting the twelfth in two. [[50/49]] gives pajara with a semioctave period. [[392/375]] gives progress, splitting the twelfth in three. [[250/243]] gives porcupine, splitting the fourth in three. [[126/125]] gives augene with a 1/3-octave period. [[4375/4374]] gives modus, splitting the fifth in four. [[3125/3024]] gives brightstone. [[9604/9375]] gives fervor. [[3125/2916]] gives sixix. [[3125/3087]] gives passion. Those split the generator in five in various ways. [[28/27]] gives blacksmith with a 1/5-octave period. Finally, [[15625/15552]] gives catalan, splitting the twelfth in six.  
[[25/24]] gives dichotic. [[686/675]] gives beatles. Those split the fifth in two. [[8748/8575]] gives immunized, splitting the twelfth in two. [[50/49]] gives pajara with a semioctave period. [[392/375]] gives progress, splitting the twelfth in three. [[250/243]] gives porcupine, splitting the fourth in three. [[126/125]] gives augene with a 1/3-octave period. [[4375/4374]] gives modus, splitting the fifth in four. [[3125/3024]] gives brightstone. [[9604/9375]] gives fervor. [[3125/2916]] gives sixix. [[3125/3087]] gives passion. Those split the generator in five in various ways. [[28/27]] gives blackwood with a 1/5-octave period. Finally, [[15625/15552]] gives catalan, splitting the twelfth in six.  


Temperaments discussed elsewhere are:  
Temperaments discussed elsewhere are:  
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* [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]] (+36/35) → [[Meantone family #Dominant|Meantone family]]
* [[Dominant (temperament)|Dominant]] (+36/35) → [[Meantone family #Dominant|Meantone family]]
* ''[[Medusa]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Medusa|Very low accuracy temperaments]]
* ''[[Medusa]]'' (+15/14) → [[Very low accuracy temperaments #Medusa|Very low accuracy temperaments]]
* ''[[Dichotic]]'' (+25/24) → [[Dicot family #Dichotic|Dicot family]]
* ''[[Immunized]]'' (+8748/8575) → [[Immunity family #Immunized|Immunity family]]
* ''[[Immunized]]'' (+8748/8575) → [[Immunity family #Immunized|Immunity family]]
* [[Pajara]] (+50/49) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]]
* [[Pajara]] (+50/49) → [[Diaschismic family #Pajara|Diaschismic family]]
* [[Augene]] (+126/125) → [[Augmented family #Augene|Augmented family]]
* [[Augene]] (+126/125) → [[Augmented family #Septimal augmented (augene)|Augmented family]]
* [[Porcupine]] (+250/243) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]
* [[Porcupine]] (+250/243) → [[Porcupine family #Septimal porcupine|Porcupine family]]
* ''[[Modus]]'' (+4375/4374) → [[Tetracot family #Modus|Tetracot family]]
* [[Modus]] (+4375/4374) → [[Tetracot family #Modus|Tetracot family]]
* ''[[Brightstone]]'' (+3125/3024) → [[Magic family #Brightstone|Magic family]]
* ''[[Brightstone]]'' (+3125/3024) → [[Magic family #Brightstone|Magic family]]
* ''[[Passion]]'' (+3125/3087) → [[Passion family #Septimal passion|Passion family]]
* ''[[Passion]]'' (+3125/3087) → [[Passion family #Septimal passion|Passion family]]
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* ''[[Catalan]]'' (+15625/15552) → [[Kleismic family #Catalan|Kleismic family]]
* ''[[Catalan]]'' (+15625/15552) → [[Kleismic family #Catalan|Kleismic family]]


Considered below are superpyth, quasisuper, ultrapyth, quasiultra, schism, beatles, progress, fervor, and sixix.  
Considered below are superpyth, quasisuper, ultrapyth, quasiultra, schism, beatles, progress, fervor, and sixix.


==== Subgroup extensions ====
==== Subgroup extensions ====
Omitting prime 5, archy can be extended to the 2.3.7.11 subgroup by identifying 11/8 as a diminished fourth (C–Gb). This is called supra, given right below. Discussed elsewhere is [[suhajira]] of the [[neutral clan #Suhajira|neutral clan]].
Omitting prime 5, archy can be extended to the 2.3.7.11 subgroup by identifying 11/8 as a diminished fourth (C–G♭). This is called supra, given right below. Discussed elsewhere is [[suhajira]] of the [[rastmic clan #Suhajira|rastmic clan]].


=== Supra ===
=== Supra ===
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==== Supraphon ====
==== Supraphon ====
This extension maps [[13/11]] to the minor third (C–E♭), [[12/11]][[~]][[14/13]] to the augmented unison (C–C♯), and [[13/12]] to the diminished third (C–E𝄫).
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13
Subgroup: 2.3.7.11.13


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: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Superpyth (5-limit)]].''
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Superpyth (5-limit)]].''


Superpyth, virtually the canonical extension, adds [[245/243]] and [[1728/1715]] to the comma list and can be described as {{nowrap| 22 & 27 }}. ~5/4 is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second (C–D#). 49edo remains an obvious tuning choice.  
Superpyth, virtually the canonical extension, adds [[245/243]] and [[1728/1715]] to the comma list and can be described as {{nowrap| [[22edo|22]] [[&]] [[27edo|27]] }}. ~[[5/4]] is found at +9 generator steps, as an augmented second (C–D♯). In the [[11-limit]] it finds the ~[[11/8]] at +16 generator steps, as a double-augmented second (C–D𝄪). [[49edo]] remains an obvious tuning choice in either case.
 
Extending superpyth to the [[13-limit]] is more diffcult. Tridecimal superpyth finds the ~[[13/8]] at +13 generator steps, as a double-augmented fourth (C–F𝄪), for which 27edo can be recommended as a tuning since it is the only [[13-odd-limit]] [[diamond monotone]] tuning. The other extension, called uberpyth, is more flexible with its tunings, but unfortunately tends to tune the 13 very sharp.  


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[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
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=== 11-limit ===
=== 11-limit ===
The canonical extension to the 13-limit finds the ~11/8 at +16 generator steps, as a double-augmented second (C–Dx) and finds the ~13/8 at +13 generator steps, as a double-augmented fourth (C–Fx).
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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Optimal tunings:  
Optimal tunings:  
* WE: ~2 = 1196.667{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.360{{c}}
* WE: ~2 = 1196.6666{{c}}, ~3/2 = 708.3602{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.288{{c}}
* CWE: ~2 = 1200.0000{{c}}, ~3/2 = 710.2878{{c}}


{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 27e, 49f }}
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=0| 22f, 27e, 49f, 125bcddeeeff, 174bbcdddeeeeffff }}


Badness (Sintel): 1.105
Badness (Sintel): 1.11


==== Thomas ====
==== Thomas ====
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=== Suprapyth ===
=== Suprapyth ===
Suprapyth finds the ~11/8 at the diminished fifth (C–Gb), and finds the ~13/8 at the diminished seventh (C–Bbb).  
Suprapyth finds the ~11/8 at the diminished fifth (C–G♭), and finds the ~13/8 at the diminished seventh (C–B𝄫).  


Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
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== Quasisuper ==
== Quasisuper ==
Quasisuper can be described as {{nowrap| 17c & 22 }}, with the ~5/4 mapped to -13 generator steps, as a double-diminished fifth (C–Gbb).  
{{Main|Quasisuper}}
 
Quasisuper can be described as {{nowrap| 17c & 22 }}, with the ~5/4 mapped to -13 generator steps, as a double-diminished fifth (C–G𝄫). The 11-limit version, quasisupra, can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.11-subgroup temperament [[supra]], with the quasisuper mapping of 5 thrown in, rather than the superpyth mapping of 5 (which results in suprapyth).


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
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=== Quasisupra ===
=== Quasisupra ===
Quasisupra can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.11 temperament [[supra]], with the quasisuper mapping of 5 thrown in, rather than the superpyth mapping of 5 (which results in suprapyth).
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11


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== Ultrapyth ==
== Ultrapyth ==
{{Main| Ultrapyth }}
{{Main| Ultrapyth }}
: ''For the 5-limit version, see [[Syntonic–diatonic equivalence continuum #Ultrapyth (5-limit)]].''


Ultrapyth can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.13/5 [[the Biosphere #Oceanfront|oceanfront]] temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–Cx).
Ultrapyth can be viewed as an extension of the excellent 2.3.7.13/5 [[the Biosphere #Oceanfront|oceanfront]] temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to +14 fifths as a double-augmented unison (C–C𝄪).


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
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== Quasiultra ==
== Quasiultra ==
Quasiultra is to ultrapyth what quasisuper is to superpyth. It is the {{nowrap| 27 & 32 }} temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to -18 fifths as a double diminished sixth (C–Abbb).  
Quasiultra is to ultrapyth what quasisuper is to superpyth. It is the {{nowrap| 27 & 32 }} temperament, mapping the ~5/4 to -18 fifths as a double diminished sixth (C–A𝄫♭).  


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{{See also| Schismatic family #Schism }}
{{See also| Schismatic family #Schism }}


Schism tempers out the [[schisma]], mapping the ~5/4 to -8 fifths as a diminished fourth (C–Fb) as does any schismic temperament. 12edo is recommendable tuning, though 29edo (29d val), 41edo (41d val), and 53edo (53dd val) can be used.  
Schism tempers out the [[schisma]], mapping the ~5/4 to -8 fifths as a diminished fourth (C–F♭) as does any schismic temperament. 12edo is recommendable tuning, though 29edo (29d val), 41edo (41d val), and 53edo (53dd val) can be used.  


[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7