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{{EDO intro|49}}
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== Theory ==
== Theory ==
49edo is very much on the sharp side of things, with sharp tunings of [[harmonic]]s [[3/1|3]], [[5/1|5]], [[7/1|7]], and [[11/1|11]]. It is the [[optimal patent val]] for [[superpyth]] temperament in the 7- and 11-limit, [[Archytas family #Archytas|archytas]] ([[7-limit]]) and [[Archytas family #Ares|ares]] ([[11-limit]]) planar temperaments, being almost exactly equal to {{frac|3|10}}-comma superpyth and the {{w|e (mathematical constant)|e-based}} analog of [[Lucy tuning]]. It [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[64/63]], [[245/243]], and [[3125/3087]] in the 7-limit, and [[100/99]] and [[1375/1372]] in the 11-limit.
49edo is very much on the sharp side of things, with sharp tunings of [[harmonic]]s [[3/1|3]], [[5/1|5]], [[7/1|7]], and [[11/1|11]]. It is the [[optimal patent val]] for [[superpyth]] temperament in the 7- and 11-limit, [[Archytas family #Archytas|archytas]] ([[7-limit]]), and [[Archytas family #Ares|ares]] ([[11-limit]]) planar temperaments, being almost exactly equal to {{frac|3|10}}-comma superpyth. It [[tempering out|tempers out]] [[64/63]], [[245/243]], and [[3125/3087]] in the 7-limit, and [[100/99]], [[540/539]], and [[1375/1372]] in the 11-limit. In the 13-limit, its [[patent val]] {{val| 49 78 114 138 170 181 }}, has a rather flat (by relative error) harmonic [[13/1|13]], which leads to inconsistent mappings; but using the 49f val {{val| 49 78 114 138 170 182 }} improves 13-limit consistency, and in this val it tempers out [[364/363]] and [[847/845]].


=== Harmonics ===
=== Harmonics ===
{{Harmonics in equal|127|6|1|intervals=prime}}
{{Harmonics in equal|49}}


=== Subsets and supersets ===
=== Subsets and supersets ===
Since 49 factors into {{factorization|49}}, 49edo contains [[7edo]] as its only nontrivial subset. 49edo is the first square edo with a [[enfactoring|non-enfactored]] diatonic fifth.  
Since 49 factors into primes as 7<sup>2</sup>, 49edo contains [[7edo]] as its only nontrivial subset. 49edo is the first square edo with a [[enfactoring|non-enfactored]] diatonic fifth. Doubling it produces [[98edo]], a respectable (if overly complex) [[meantone]] tuning.  


== Intervals ==
== Intervals ==
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3"
{| class="wikitable center-all right-2 left-3"
! #
|-
! &#35;
! Cents
! Cents
! Approximate Ratios*
! Approximate ratios*
! [[Ups and downs notation|Ups and Downs Notation]]
! [[Ups and downs notation]]
|-
|-
| 0
| 0
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| 9
| 9
| 220.408
| 220.408
| [[8/7]], ''[[9/8]]''
| [[8/7]], ''[[9/8]]'', [[25/22]]
| {{UDnote|step=9}}
| {{UDnote|step=9}}
|-
|-
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| 40
| 40
| 979.592
| 979.592
| [[7/4]], ''[[16/9]]''
| [[7/4]], ''[[16/9]]'', [[44/25]]
| {{UDnote|step=40}}
| {{UDnote|step=40}}
|-
|-
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| {{UDnote|step=49}}
| {{UDnote|step=49}}
|}
|}
<nowiki>*</nowiki> based on 49edo's 11-limit patent val {{val| 49 78 114 138 170 }} mapping
<nowiki />* Based on 49edo's 11-limit patent val {{val| 49 78 114 138 170 }} mapping


== Notation ==
== Notation ==
=== Ups and downs notation ===
=== Ups and downs notation ===
Using [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation|Helmholtz&ndash;Ellis]] accidentals, 49edo can be notated using [[ups and downs notation]]:
49edo can be notated using [[ups and downs notation|ups and downs]]. Trup is equivalent to quudsharp, trudsharp is equivalent to quup, etc.
{{Ups and downs sharpness}}
 
Alternatively, sharps and flats with arrows borrowed from [[Helmholtz–Ellis notation]] can be used:
{{Sharpness-sharp7}}
{{Sharpness-sharp7}}
=== Sagittal notation ===
==== Evo flavor ====
<imagemap>
File:49-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 589 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 140 106 [[513/512]]
rect 140 80 240 106 [[81/80]]
rect 240 80 360 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:49-EDO_Evo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>
==== Revo flavor ====
<imagemap>
File:49-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg
desc none
rect 80 0 300 50 [[Sagittal_notation]]
rect 300 0 534 80 [https://sagittal.org#periodic-table Periodic table of EDOs with sagittal notation]
rect 20 80 140 106 [[513/512]]
rect 140 80 240 106 [[81/80]]
rect 240 80 360 106 [[33/32]]
default [[File:49-EDO_Revo_Sagittal.svg]]
</imagemap>


== Approximation to JI ==
== Approximation to JI ==
[[File:49ed2.svg|250px|thumb|right|alt=alt : Your browser has no SVG support.|Selected 19-limit intervals approximated in 49edo]]
[[File:49ed2.svg|250px|thumb|right|alt=alt : Your browser has no SVG support.|Selected 19-limit intervals approximated in 49edo]]
=== Interval mappings ===
=== Interval mappings ===
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|49}}
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|49}}
{{Q-odd-limit intervals|49.1|apx=val|header=none|tag=none|title=15-odd-limit intervals by 49f val mapping}}


=== Zeta peaks ===
=== Zeta peaks ===
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== Approximation to irrational intervals ==
== Approximation to irrational intervals ==
=== Acoustic ϕ and ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup> ===
=== Acoustic ϕ and ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>−1</sup></sup> ===
49edo has a very close approximation of both [[acoustic phi]] and ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup>, a kind of logarithmic phi that divides [[acoustic phi]] logarithmically by phi ([[Logarithmic phi|instead of dividing 2/1]]).
49edo has a very close approximation of both [[acoustic phi]] and [[phith root of phi|ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup>]], a kind of logarithmic phi that divides [[acoustic phi]] logarithmically by phi ([[Logarithmic phi|instead of dividing 2/1]]).


ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup> has interesting applications as [[Metallic MOS]], and in particular the fractal-like possibilities of self-similar subdivision of musical scales within [[acoustic phi]].
The  [[phith root of phi|phith root of phi (ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup>)]] has interesting applications as [[Metallic MOS]], and in particular the fractal-like possibilities of self-similar subdivision of musical scales within [[acoustic phi]].


{| class="wikitable center-all"
{| class="wikitable center-all"
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! #\49
! #\49
|-
|-
| ϕ / ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup> = ϕ<sup>(2-ϕ)</sup>
| {{nowrap|ϕ / ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>−1</sup></sup> {{=}} ϕ<sup>(2 ϕ)</sup>}}
| 0.155
| 0.155
| 13
| 13
|-
|-
| ϕ
| ϕ
| -0.437
| −0.437
| 34
| 34
|-
|-
| ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup>
| ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>−1</sup></sup>
| -0.592
| −0.592
| 21
| 21
|}
|}
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=== Music ===
=== Music ===
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZyAm-D3nlk&ab_channel=Sevish Sevish - Star Nursery] uses a scale based on [[acoustic phi]] and ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>-1</sup></sup>. 49edo provides a suitable approximation for this scale with the mode: 5 3 5 5 3 5 3 5
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZyAm-D3nlk&ab_channel=Sevish Sevish - Star Nursery] uses a scale based on [[acoustic phi]] and ϕ<sup>ϕ<sup>−1</sup></sup>. 49edo provides a suitable approximation for this scale with the mode: 5 3 5 5 3 5 3 5


== Regular temperament properties ==
== Regular temperament properties ==
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6"
{| class="wikitable center-4 center-5 center-6"
|-
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Subgroup]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list|Comma List]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Comma list]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]]
! rowspan="2" | [[Mapping]]
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve Sstretch (¢)
! rowspan="2" | Optimal<br>8ve stretch (¢)
! colspan="2" | Tuning Error
! colspan="2" | Tuning error
|-
|-
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢)
! [[TE error|Absolute]] (¢)
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| {{monzo| 78 -49 }}
| {{monzo| 78 -49 }}
| {{mapping| 49 78 }}
| {{mapping| 49 78 }}
| &minus;2.60
| −2.60
| 2.60
| 2.60
| 10.62
| 10.62
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| 15625/15552, 20480/19683
| 15625/15552, 20480/19683
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 }}
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 }}
| &minus;2.53
| −2.53
| 2.12
| 2.12
| 8.69
| 8.69
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| 64/63, 245/243, 3125/3087
| 64/63, 245/243, 3125/3087
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 138 }}
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 138 }}
| &minus;2.85
| −2.85
| 1.92
| 1.92
| 7.87
| 7.87
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| 64/63, 100/99, 245/243, 1331/1323
| 64/63, 100/99, 245/243, 1331/1323
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 138 170 }}
| {{mapping| 49 78 114 138 170 }}
| &minus;2.97
| −2.97
| 1.74
| 1.74
| 7.11
| 7.11
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=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
=== Rank-2 temperaments ===
{| class="wikitable center-all right-3 left-5"
{| class="wikitable center-all left-5"
|+ Rank-2 temperaments by generators
|+ style="font-size: 105%;" | Table of rank-2 temperaments by generator
|-
! Periods<br>per 8ve
! Periods<br>per 8ve
! Generator*
! Generator*
! Cents*
! Cents*
! Associated<br>Ratio*
! Associated<br>ratio*
! Temperaments
! Temperament
|-
|-
| 1
| 1
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|-
|-
| rowspan="2" | 7
| rowspan="2" | 7
| rowspan="2" | 20\49<br>(1\49)
| rowspan="2" | 20\49<br />(1\49)
| rowspan="2" | 489.8<br>(24.5)
| rowspan="2" | 489.8<br />(24.5)
| 4/3<br>(250/243)
| 4/3<br />(250/243)
| [[Sevond]] (49)
| [[Sevond]] (49)
|-
|-
| 4/3<br>(25/24)
| 4/3<br />(25/24)
| style="text-align: left" | [[Seville]] (49c)
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Seville]] (49c)
|}
|}
<nowiki>*</nowiki> [[Normal lists|octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[Normal lists|minimal form]] in parentheses if it is distinct
<nowiki />* [[Normal forms #Equave-reduced-generator form|Octave-reduced form]], reduced to the first half-octave, and [[normal forms #Minimal-generator form|minimal form]] in parentheses if distinct
 
== Octave stretch or compression ==
49edo's [[prime]]s 3, 5, 7 and 11 are all tuned sharp, so 49edo can benefit from [[octave shrinking]]. Some compressed-octave tunings of 49edo include (least to most compression): [[ed12|176ed12]], [[ed5|114ed5]], [[zpi|233zpi]], [[ed6|127ed6]], [[ed7|138ed7]] and [[78edt]].
 
=== Nonoctave temperament ===
The TE-optimized [[Triple BP|triple Bohlen–Pierce scale]] is obtained by taking every second degree of 49edo with the octave compressed by 3.861 cents to 1196.139 cents. It realizes the Tenney–Euclidean regular temperament on the 3.5.7.11.13 subgroup mapped as [⟨78 114 138 170 182]]. Under this compression, the primes map to the 49fgh val in the 23-limit.


== Scales ==
== Scales ==
=== MOS scales ===
=== MOS scales ===
{{main|List of MOS scales in 49edo}}
{{main|List of MOS scales in 49edo}}
* Bohpier[8]: 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 6
* Catalan[7]: 3 10 3 10 3 10 10 (vaugely diminished-like)
* Catalan[11]: 3 7 3 3 7 3 3 7 3 3 7
* Catalan[19]: 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 1 3 3 3 3 1 3 3
* Clyde[5]: 5 13 5 13 13 (mysterious, adventurous)
* Didacus[6]: 8 8 8 8 8 9 (like the whole tone scale)
* Didacus[13]: 1 7 1 7 1 7 1 7 1 7 1 7 1
* Infraorwell[5]: 11 11 5 11 11
* Infraorwell[22]: 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1 4 1 1 4 1 4 1
* Kleiboh[5]: 12 12 12 12 1
* Kleiboh[13]: 1 10 1 1 10 1 1 1 10 1 1 10 1
* Magus[7]: 1 15 1 15 1 15 1 (vaguely augmented-like)
* Passion[12]: 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 (like [[12edo]])
* Passion[23]: 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1 3 1
* Sevond[21]/Seville[21]: 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1 1 5 1
* Superpyth[5]: 11 9 9 11 9 (in between minor pentatonic and [[equipentatonic]])
* Superpyth[7]: 9 2 9 9 9 2 9 (Dorian mode; rotate for other modes)
* Superpyth[12]: 2 7 2 7 2 2 7 2 7 2 7 2 (same melodic shape as [[12edo]] but much more [[xenharmonic]] harmonies)
* Superpyth[27]: 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 2 2
=== Other scales ===
* [[6ed7/3#6ed7/3+7edo scale|The 6ed7/3+7edo scale]] ''(non-octave-repeating)''


== Instruments ==
== Instruments ==
; Lumatone
=== Lumatone ===
* [[Lumatone mapping for 49edo]]


See [[Lumatone mapping for 49edo]]
=== Skip fretting ===
'''Skip fretting system 49 3 7''' is a [[skip fretting]] system for [[49edo]]. All examples are for 5-string bass.
 
; Harmonics
1/1: string 2 open
 
2/1: not easily accessible
 
3/2: string 4 fret 5 and string 1 fret 12
 
5/4: string 3 fret 3
 
7/4: string 3 fret 11
 
11/8: string 3 fret 5


== Music ==
== Music ==
=== Modern renderings ===
; {{W|The Cure}}
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHslu-ZWspk ''Boys Don't Cry''] (1979) – Lumatone cover by [[YoVariable]] (2025)
=== 21st century ===
; [[Bryan Deister]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pK-JcIrd18 Deltarune – ''Man'' (cover)] (2023)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/V8t7MyP2Nuo ''microtonal improv in 49edo''] (2024)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zb1Z6o-Uvuw ''weathergirl - FLAVOR FOLEY (microtonal cover in 49edo)''] (2025)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/73PfAAWubVs ''I'm Your Captain Now (The Ancients) - The Recovery System (microtonal cover in 49edo)''] (2026) {{todo|research|comment=Identify the original composers.}}
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/34w7euOF-Ss ''49edo improv''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/_yNrDI6nS1I ''49edo riff''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BcBtD3nuEQs ''49edo groove''] (2026)
* [https://www.youtube.com/shorts/VmUIxWb8NCY ''49edo prelude''] (2026)
; [[Mercury Amalgam]]
; [[Mercury Amalgam]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_kzhcMMHWM&pp=ygUFNDllZG8%3D ''Wrong Generation (Demo, January 2022)''] (2023)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_kzhcMMHWM&pp=ygUFNDllZG8%3D ''Wrong Generation''] (2022 demo version)


; [[Bryan Deister]]
; [[Cam Taylor]]
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pK-JcIrd18 Deltarune - ''Man'' (cover)] (2023)
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fns6688IRpg ''49-equal: 7-equal meets superpyth''] (2023)


[[Category:Superpyth]]
[[Category:Archytas]]
[[Category:Archytas]]
[[Category:Ares]]
[[Category:Ares]]
[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Listen]]
[[Category:Superpyth]]