User talk:Fredg999 - Revision history

Xenwolf: /* Criteria for category ordering */ FYI

2022-02-26T13:26:51Z

Criteria for category ordering: FYI

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	:: '''Thanks''' so much for the clarification, also '''for all the housekeeping work''' of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		:: '''Thanks''' so much for the clarification, also '''for all the housekeeping work''' of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

			::: The above-mentioned category (meanwhile renamed to [[:category:step-nested scales]]) is now deleted. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 13:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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	I added [[User:Fredg999 category edits]] to groups <code>bot</code> and <code>autopatrolled</code>. Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 18:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)		I added [[User:Fredg999 category edits]] to groups <code>bot</code> and <code>autopatrolled</code>. Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 18:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Related bot account */ new section

2022-02-19T18:37:12Z

Related bot account: new section

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	:: '''Thanks''' so much for the clarification, also '''for all the housekeeping work''' of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		:: '''Thanks''' so much for the clarification, also '''for all the housekeeping work''' of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

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			I added [[User:Fredg999 category edits]] to groups <code>bot</code> and <code>autopatrolled</code>. Best regards --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 18:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Criteria for category ordering */ +another thanks

2021-08-19T05:49:03Z

Criteria for category ordering: +another thanks

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	: Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)		: Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

	:: Thanks so much for the clarification. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)		:: '''Thanks''' so much for the clarification, also '''for all the housekeeping work''' of course. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:49, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Criteria for category ordering */ re

2021-08-19T05:47:22Z

Criteria for category ordering: re

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	: Since there are no category-related conventions so far, to my knowledge, I tried to get this as coherent as possible by looking at the existing stuff, but it's still a work in progress. For instance, I don't know much about step-nested scales, but if it turns out that they are always tempered, then that could become a subcategory of tempered scales. But then I like the idea of having every tempered scales categorized straight in [[:Category:Tempered scales]] as well anyway, since I think that conveys the information more clearly, although that's certainly debatable. Also, some scales are described as "haplotonic", "albitonic" or "chromatic" with relation to [[chromatic pairs]], and I'm not sure yet how to treat these categories, so I usually stash them near the end when I don't just forget about them at all.		: Since there are no category-related conventions so far, to my knowledge, I tried to get this as coherent as possible by looking at the existing stuff, but it's still a work in progress. For instance, I don't know much about step-nested scales, but if it turns out that they are always tempered, then that could become a subcategory of tempered scales. But then I like the idea of having every tempered scales categorized straight in [[:Category:Tempered scales]] as well anyway, since I think that conveys the information more clearly, although that's certainly debatable. Also, some scales are described as "haplotonic", "albitonic" or "chromatic" with relation to [[chromatic pairs]], and I'm not sure yet how to treat these categories, so I usually stash them near the end when I don't just forget about them at all.
	: Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)		: Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

			:: Thanks so much for the clarification. The tiny part I totally missed is the change from ''Category:Tempered scale'' to ''Category:Tempered scale'''s'''''. BTW, I think it could be better to leave the old variants to mark them as deprecated and point to the category to use instead (→ [[:Category:Deprecated categories]]); this is because categories don't have a useful redirect equivalent. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 05:47, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Fredg999: /* Criteria for category ordering */

2021-08-18T18:35:20Z

Criteria for category ordering

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	Hi Fredg999, what are your criteria for [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SNS_%282%2F1%2C_3%2F2%2C_6%2F5%3A_126%2F125%2C_196%2F195%29-12&type=revision&diff=76543&oldid=74534 changes like this to the order of categorization lines]? As I see, it's ordered neither alphabetically nor by specificity. In the summary, you don't elaborate on the background of the change, maybe you found something I've been looking for in vain for a long time? Please share your conclusions. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)		Hi Fredg999, what are your criteria for [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SNS_%282%2F1%2C_3%2F2%2C_6%2F5%3A_126%2F125%2C_196%2F195%29-12&type=revision&diff=76543&oldid=74534 changes like this to the order of categorization lines]? As I see, it's ordered neither alphabetically nor by specificity. In the summary, you don't elaborate on the background of the change, maybe you found something I've been looking for in vain for a long time? Please share your conclusions. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
			: This edit, like similar ones before or after it, was mainly aimed at two things: moving the page from [[:Category:Tempered scale]] (now deleted) to [[:Category:Tempered scales]] and from [[:Category:Step-Nested Scales]] to [[:Category:Step-nested scales]] (merging WIP). As you have probably noticed, I've been recategorizing a bunch of scale pages lately, and so I try to be somewhat consistent with the order of categories.
			: Here is what I usually aim for so far. I start by the scale size, since every scale has that. Then, I specify if it's tempered or JI, since most scales are either one or the other, although "mixed" scales including a combination of tempered and JI intervals could exist as well. For tempered scales, I specify the tuning and the temperament (it could have been in the reverse order, but I went with that for now); for JI scales, I noticed that some scales (especially LCJI) specified the prime limit, but I haven't been systematically categorizing JI scales by limit yet, especially since the limit categories aren't so clear as to what they should contain. Also, some scales exist within a family, of which [[:Category:Step-nested scales]] is one example, so I include that category at this point. I keep [[:Category:Pages with Scala files]] for the very end, since it's mostly a "meta-category" to my sense (it's more about form than content). Overall, you could say it's a mix of "adjective order rules" and specificity ordering, if that makes sense (e.g. "this is a 12-note tempered scale, and more specifically a step-nested scale").
			: Since there are no category-related conventions so far, to my knowledge, I tried to get this as coherent as possible by looking at the existing stuff, but it's still a work in progress. For instance, I don't know much about step-nested scales, but if it turns out that they are always tempered, then that could become a subcategory of tempered scales. But then I like the idea of having every tempered scales categorized straight in [[:Category:Tempered scales]] as well anyway, since I think that conveys the information more clearly, although that's certainly debatable. Also, some scales are described as "haplotonic", "albitonic" or "chromatic" with relation to [[chromatic pairs]], and I'm not sure yet how to treat these categories, so I usually stash them near the end when I don't just forget about them at all.
			: Anyway, I'm willing to discuss about this sort of conventions, so if you have anything to pitch in, I'd like to hear your point of view. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Criteria for category ordering */ new section

2021-08-18T06:30:13Z

Criteria for category ordering: new section

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	On the other hand, I have to say that I don't like a change you did to the introduction of ''octave reduction'' at all, please see [[talk:Octave reduction #Introduction\|related discussion topic]]. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]])		On the other hand, I have to say that I don't like a change you did to the introduction of ''octave reduction'' at all, please see [[talk:Octave reduction #Introduction\|related discussion topic]]. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]])

			== Criteria for category ordering ==

			Hi Fredg999, what are your criteria for [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=SNS_%282%2F1%2C_3%2F2%2C_6%2F5%3A_126%2F125%2C_196%2F195%29-12&type=revision&diff=76543&oldid=74534 changes like this to the order of categorization lines]? As I see, it's ordered neither alphabetically nor by specificity. In the summary, you don't elaborate on the background of the change, maybe you found something I've been looking for in vain for a long time? Please share your conclusions. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 06:30, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Thanks */ new section

2021-07-18T11:31:21Z

Thanks: new section

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	Hi Fredg999, <br>		Hi Fredg999, <br>
	Great news to have a math teacher on board. Especially the ''accessible for beginners'' part raises my hopes that I will understand one or the other in the near future. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)		Great news to have a math teacher on board. Especially the ''accessible for beginners'' part raises my hopes that I will understand one or the other in the near future. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

			== Thanks ==

			... for [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=Cent&curid=1392&diff=74589&oldid=46802 removing the section anchor here]. Sometimes it's too easy to forget your last clicks before copying an external link. There is a really helpful plugin for Firefox and Chrome that copies builds you a link combined of URL and title in several markup languages including MediaWiki (see the [https://github.com/asamuzaK/url2clipboard ''Copy URL To Clipboard'' home page] for more). By using it, I sometimes forget to check the URL part. So again thanks for fixing this.

			On the other hand, I have to say that I don't like a change you did to the introduction of ''octave reduction'' at all, please see [[talk:Octave reduction #Introduction\|related discussion topic]]. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]])

Xenwolf: /* Welcome */ new section

2021-07-03T21:22:34Z

Welcome: new section

New page

== Welcome ==

Hi Fredg999, <br>
Great news to have a math teacher on board. Especially the ''accessible for beginners'' part raises my hopes that I will understand one or the other in the near future. --[[User:Xenwolf|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf|talk]]) 21:22, 3 July 2021 (UTC)