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Xenwolf: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ formatting

2021-02-03T17:21:52Z

EDOs vs. Vals: formatting

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	:: So new template for sure, but where will it be linked to? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		:: So new template for sure, but where will it be linked to? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

	::: Maybe in a way like this: <code><nowiki>[[Val\|Vals]]: [[24edo#Vals\|24p]], [[135edo#Vals\|135p]], [[159edo\|159]], [[183edo\|183]], </nowiki></code> etc.? <br> Or maybe better with <code><nowiki>[[Val\|EDO vals]]:</nowiki></code> before the list? However, it seems to me that the val article we want to link to doesn't really welcome newbies, this is especially true for the "defining" section (''A val is a <u>map</u>? <u>representing</u><sup>?</sup> how to (<u>view</u> the intervals)? in a ((<u>single</u>)<sup>?</sup> <u>chain</u>)? of <u>generators</u>? as the <u>tempered</u>? versions of intervals in <u>just intonation</u>?'' -- I tried to give an impression of the known-to-unknown ratio in the first sentence. This is what I hate about the writing style of mathematicians: you are given the impression that you have to know all the parts of a concept before you can understand any one of them.). So there is still something to do. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		::: Maybe in a way like this: <code><nowiki>[[Val\|Vals]]: [[24edo#Vals\|24p]], [[135edo#Vals\|135p]], [[159edo\|159]], [[183edo\|183]], </nowiki></code> etc.? <br> Or maybe better with <code><nowiki>[[Val\|EDO vals]]:</nowiki></code> before the list? <br> However, it seems to me that the val article we want to link to doesn't really welcome newbies, this is especially true for the "defining" section: <br>''A val is a <u>map</u><sup>?</sup> <u>representing</u><sup><sup>(?)</sup></sup> how to (<u>view</u> the intervals)<sup>?</sup> in a (<u>single</u><sup><sup>(?)</sup></sup> <u>chain</u>)<sup>?</sup> of <u>generators</u><sup>?</sup> as the <u>tempered</u><sup>?</sup> versions of intervals in <u>just intonation</u><sup><sup>(?)</sup></sup>'' <br> ...I tried to give an impression of the known-to-unknown ratio in the first sentence. This is what I hate about the writing style of mathematicians: you are given the impression that you have to know all the parts of a concept before you can understand any one of them. <br> So there is still something to do. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ re

2021-02-03T17:15:24Z

EDOs vs. Vals: re

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	:: So new template for sure, but where will it be linked to? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		:: So new template for sure, but where will it be linked to? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

			::: Maybe in a way like this: <code><nowiki>[[Val\|Vals]]: [[24edo#Vals\|24p]], [[135edo#Vals\|135p]], [[159edo\|159]], [[183edo\|183]], </nowiki></code> etc.? <br> Or maybe better with <code><nowiki>[[Val\|EDO vals]]:</nowiki></code> before the list? However, it seems to me that the val article we want to link to doesn't really welcome newbies, this is especially true for the "defining" section (''A val is a <u>map</u>? <u>representing</u><sup>?</sup> how to (<u>view</u> the intervals)? in a ((<u>single</u>)<sup>?</sup> <u>chain</u>)? of <u>generators</u>? as the <u>tempered</u>? versions of intervals in <u>just intonation</u>?'' -- I tried to give an impression of the known-to-unknown ratio in the first sentence. This is what I hate about the writing style of mathematicians: you are given the impression that you have to know all the parts of a concept before you can understand any one of them.). So there is still something to do. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:15, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ re

2021-02-03T08:48:00Z

EDOs vs. Vals: re

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	: Now I see that I already planned to change [[Template:Primes in edo]] accordingly: see [[User:Xenwolf/Fifthspan#Separate mod steps]] (second table) with the linked "[[patent val]]". If EDOs with notable non-patent vals will ''develop'' a section about that fact and if on, the other hand, also EDO pages will start with the prime iontervals table (I see a tendency toward this), we will see the relation between EDOs, vals and temperaments optimally represented in the wiki. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		: Now I see that I already planned to change [[Template:Primes in edo]] accordingly: see [[User:Xenwolf/Fifthspan#Separate mod steps]] (second table) with the linked "[[patent val]]". If EDOs with notable non-patent vals will ''develop'' a section about that fact and if on, the other hand, also EDO pages will start with the prime iontervals table (I see a tendency toward this), we will see the relation between EDOs, vals and temperaments optimally represented in the wiki. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

			:: So new template for sure, but where will it be linked to? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 08:48, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ (case)

2021-02-03T08:09:54Z

EDOs vs. Vals: (case)

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	I see [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User%3AFloraC%2FSandbox&type=revision&diff=61122&oldid=61009 your point]. I know that the "[[warts]]" notation is a shorthand for [[val]]s. I think we should branch a [[Template:Vals]] for that. There are places where we already (and will further) use EDOs. In temperament properties we should switch from EDOs to Vals and at the same time prepare EDO pages to mitigate confusion. Until now there is (to my knowledge) no EDO page with a "Vals" section. The page [[val]] itself is also not ready to "catch" an in-going link that should be descriptive for an enumeration of EDOs/vals. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		I see [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User%3AFloraC%2FSandbox&type=revision&diff=61122&oldid=61009 your point]. I know that the "[[warts]]" notation is a shorthand for [[val]]s. I think we should branch a [[Template:Vals]] for that. There are places where we already (and will further) use EDOs. In temperament properties we should switch from EDOs to Vals and at the same time prepare EDO pages to mitigate confusion. Until now there is (to my knowledge) no EDO page with a "Vals" section. The page [[val]] itself is also not ready to "catch" an in-going link that should be descriptive for an enumeration of EDOs/vals. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

	: Now I see that I already planned to change [[~~template~~:~~primes~~ in edo]] accordingly: see [[User:Xenwolf/Fifthspan#Separate mod steps]] (second table) with the linked "[[patent val]]". If EDOs with notable non-patent vals will ''develop'' a section about that fact and if on, the other hand, also EDO pages will start with the prime iontervals table (I see a tendency toward this), we will see the relation between EDOs, vals and temperaments optimally represented in the wiki. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		: Now I see that I already planned to change [[Template:Primes in edo]] accordingly: see [[User:Xenwolf/Fifthspan#Separate mod steps]] (second table) with the linked "[[patent val]]". If EDOs with notable non-patent vals will ''develop'' a section about that fact and if on, the other hand, also EDO pages will start with the prime iontervals table (I see a tendency toward this), we will see the relation between EDOs, vals and temperaments optimally represented in the wiki. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ additional info

2021-02-03T08:09:12Z

EDOs vs. Vals: additional info

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	I see [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User%3AFloraC%2FSandbox&type=revision&diff=61122&oldid=61009 your point]. I know that the "[[warts]]" notation is a shorthand for [[val]]s. I think we should branch a [[Template:Vals]] for that. There are places where we already (and will further) use EDOs. In temperament properties we should switch from EDOs to Vals and at the same time prepare EDO pages to mitigate confusion. Until now there is (to my knowledge) no EDO page with a "Vals" section. The page [[val]] itself is also not ready to "catch" an in-going link that should be descriptive for an enumeration of EDOs/vals. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)		I see [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User%3AFloraC%2FSandbox&type=revision&diff=61122&oldid=61009 your point]. I know that the "[[warts]]" notation is a shorthand for [[val]]s. I think we should branch a [[Template:Vals]] for that. There are places where we already (and will further) use EDOs. In temperament properties we should switch from EDOs to Vals and at the same time prepare EDO pages to mitigate confusion. Until now there is (to my knowledge) no EDO page with a "Vals" section. The page [[val]] itself is also not ready to "catch" an in-going link that should be descriptive for an enumeration of EDOs/vals. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

			: Now I see that I already planned to change [[template:primes in edo]] accordingly: see [[User:Xenwolf/Fifthspan#Separate mod steps]] (second table) with the linked "[[patent val]]". If EDOs with notable non-patent vals will ''develop'' a section about that fact and if on, the other hand, also EDO pages will start with the prime iontervals table (I see a tendency toward this), we will see the relation between EDOs, vals and temperaments optimally represented in the wiki. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 08:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* EDOs vs. Vals */ new section

2021-02-03T07:52:02Z

EDOs vs. Vals: new section

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	::: Just roughly. To my eyes the current design works okay, and if it's to be improved, I'm not fond of the colored background against the text. Anyway, I'll try making a template for this. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 18:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)		::: Just roughly. To my eyes the current design works okay, and if it's to be improved, I'm not fond of the colored background against the text. Anyway, I'll try making a template for this. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 18:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

			== EDOs vs. Vals ==

			I see [https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User%3AFloraC%2FSandbox&type=revision&diff=61122&oldid=61009 your point]. I know that the "[[warts]]" notation is a shorthand for [[val]]s. I think we should branch a [[Template:Vals]] for that. There are places where we already (and will further) use EDOs. In temperament properties we should switch from EDOs to Vals and at the same time prepare EDO pages to mitigate confusion. Until now there is (to my knowledge) no EDO page with a "Vals" section. The page [[val]] itself is also not ready to "catch" an in-going link that should be descriptive for an enumeration of EDOs/vals. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 07:52, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: /* Collapsible elements */ re

2021-01-28T18:15:40Z

Collapsible elements: re

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	:: Instead of adding/discussing isolated CSS features, let's have a look at ''[[Wikipedia: Musical tuning #Further reading]]''. Would you agree that we should aim for a design that is roughly equivalent to what Wikipedia has to offer? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)		:: Instead of adding/discussing isolated CSS features, let's have a look at ''[[Wikipedia: Musical tuning #Further reading]]''. Would you agree that we should aim for a design that is roughly equivalent to what Wikipedia has to offer? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

			::: Just roughly. To my eyes the current design works okay, and if it's to be improved, I'm not fond of the colored background against the text. Anyway, I'll try making a template for this. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 18:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Collapsible elements */ re

2021-01-28T17:02:10Z

Collapsible elements: re

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	: Not clear to me though. Maybe you just do the edit? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 07:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)		: Not clear to me though. Maybe you just do the edit? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 07:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

			:: Instead of adding/discussing isolated CSS features, let's have a look at ''[[Wikipedia: Musical tuning #Further reading]]''. Would you agree that we should aim for a design that is roughly equivalent to what Wikipedia has to offer? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:02, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: /* Collapsible elements */ re

2021-01-27T07:43:26Z

Collapsible elements: re

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	I find it not optimal to have ''expand'' links displayed without visual connection to the text (standing lonely in the nowhere). What about adding some border (maybe background as well) to the collapsible/expandable divs? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)		I find it not optimal to have ''expand'' links displayed without visual connection to the text (standing lonely in the nowhere). What about adding some border (maybe background as well) to the collapsible/expandable divs? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

			: Not clear to me though. Maybe you just do the edit? [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 07:43, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* Collapsible elements */ new section

2021-01-26T17:29:28Z

Collapsible elements: new section

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		== Collapsible elements ==

		I find it not optimal to have ''expand'' links displayed without visual connection to the text (standing lonely in the nowhere). What about adding some border (maybe background as well) to the collapsible/expandable divs? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 17:29, 26 January 2021 (UTC)