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FilterNashi: /* About Formal commas log( RoT */

2025-11-30T15:07:53Z

About Formal commas log( RoT

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	:: I assumed that since you said that the formal comma for 11 should be sqrt(243/242), I thought that this system was to be integrated with Neutral FJS. What other alternatives are there?		:: I assumed that since you said that the formal comma for 11 should be sqrt(243/242), I thought that this system was to be integrated with Neutral FJS. What other alternatives are there?
	::--[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 13:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)		::--[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 13:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
	::::to measure the complexity of a formal comma, my intuition for that is (abs(x)log(2)+abs(y)log(3))*abs(z) for a comma which is [x y z> within 2.3.p subgroup. for 7 the formal comma could(but not must)be sqrt(49/48) and 7/4 is n6.5, and for 13/8 it's n6 is actually better approach but i feel a little bit strange for 13/10 is a kind of fourth. i thought it might be 3rd-ish and actually 3.5 but that's not supported by most type of RoT or something like that. 17/16 could be m2 or sM1.5, m2 is good enough IMO. A4 for 23/16 is kinda forced, sM4.5 is very precise but way too complex. and i couldn't even start with the case of 29/16, it's kinda stuck between m7 and n7, A6 is not so precise at all and also too complex. so I'm a little confused. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 14:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)		::::to measure the complexity of a formal comma, my intuition for that is (abs(x)log(2)+abs(y)log(3))*abs(z) for a comma which is [x y z>([x/z y/z 1>actually) within 2.3.p subgroup. for 7 the formal comma could(but not must)be sqrt(49/48) and 7/4 is n6.5, and for 13/8 it's n6 is actually better approach but i feel a little bit strange for 13/10 is a kind of fourth. i thought it might be 3rd-ish and actually 3.5 but that's not supported by most type of RoT or something like that. 17/16 could be m2 or sM1.5, m2 is good enough IMO. A4 for 23/16 is kinda forced, sM4.5 is very precise but way too complex. and i couldn't even start with the case of 29/16, it's kinda stuck between m7 and n7, A6 is not so precise at all and also too complex. so I'm a little confused. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 14:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

	==About i degrees==		==About i degrees==
	i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

FilterNashi: /* About Formal commas log( RoT */

2025-11-30T14:52:25Z

About Formal commas log( RoT

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	th for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		th for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
	==About Formal commas ~~and~~ RoT==		==About Formal commas log( RoT==
	in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:		in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:
	# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.		# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.
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	:: I assumed that since you said that the formal comma for 11 should be sqrt(243/242), I thought that this system was to be integrated with Neutral FJS. What other alternatives are there?		:: I assumed that since you said that the formal comma for 11 should be sqrt(243/242), I thought that this system was to be integrated with Neutral FJS. What other alternatives are there?
	::--[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 13:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)		::--[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 13:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
			::::to measure the complexity of a formal comma, my intuition for that is (abs(x)log(2)+abs(y)log(3))*abs(z) for a comma which is [x y z> within 2.3.p subgroup. for 7 the formal comma could(but not must)be sqrt(49/48) and 7/4 is n6.5, and for 13/8 it's n6 is actually better approach but i feel a little bit strange for 13/10 is a kind of fourth. i thought it might be 3rd-ish and actually 3.5 but that's not supported by most type of RoT or something like that. 17/16 could be m2 or sM1.5, m2 is good enough IMO. A4 for 23/16 is kinda forced, sM4.5 is very precise but way too complex. and i couldn't even start with the case of 29/16, it's kinda stuck between m7 and n7, A6 is not so precise at all and also too complex. so I'm a little confused. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 14:52, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

	==About i degrees==		==About i degrees==
	i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Eufalesio at 13:04, 30 November 2025

2025-11-30T13:04:46Z

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	in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:		in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:
	# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.		# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.
	# based on the much more complicated ways to measure the complexity of the intervals. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		# based on the much more complicated ways to measure the complexity of the intervals. -
			[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
			:: I assumed that since you said that the formal comma for 11 should be sqrt(243/242), I thought that this system was to be integrated with Neutral FJS. What other alternatives are there?
			::--[[User:Eufalesio\|Eufalesio]] ([[User talk:Eufalesio\|talk]]) 13:04, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
	==About i degrees==		==About i degrees==
	i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

FilterNashi at 09:32, 29 November 2025

2025-11-29T09:32:48Z

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	~~thanks~~ for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		th for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
	==About Formal commas and RoT==		==About Formal commas and RoT==
	in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:		in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:
	# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.		# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.
	# based on the much more complicated ways to measure the complexity of the intervals. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		# based on the much more complicated ways to measure the complexity of the intervals. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
			==About i degrees==
			i like the idea of i degrees for irrational intervals. but that would break the consistency if the degrees can be any real number. like the example which already exists in the page, 5\13{3} can be represent without i degrees.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 09:32, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

FilterNashi at 08:59, 29 November 2025

2025-11-29T08:59:48Z

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	thanks for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)		thanks for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
			==About Formal commas and RoT==
			in the EFJS, the height (complexity) of the intervals does not only depends on the fifth. and there's 1/3 fifth, 1/4 fifth and 1/2 octave, 1/3 octave as well. So that's much harder to determine RoT or something like that. so the formal commas can be determined with these:
			# experience / intuition. not for a very specific reason.
			# based on the much more complicated ways to measure the complexity of the intervals. -[[User:FilterNashi\|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi\|talk]]) 08:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

FilterNashi: Created page with "thanks for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-~~~~"

2025-11-29T08:47:58Z

Created page with "thanks for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-~~~~"

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thanks for your contribution! you can check out the content with more details in my original page. you came up with a NFJS-ish formal commas first, that's great, and remember there are more options.-[[User:FilterNashi|FilterNashi]] ([[User talk:FilterNashi|talk]]) 08:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)