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		<title>BudjarnLambeth: BudjarnLambeth moved page User talk:BudjarnLambeth/How I choose a subgroup for an EDO to User talk:BudjarnLambeth/12edo as a 2.3.5.17.19 tuning</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;BudjarnLambeth moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=User_talk:BudjarnLambeth/How_I_choose_a_subgroup_for_an_EDO&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;User talk:BudjarnLambeth/How I choose a subgroup for an EDO (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;User talk:BudjarnLambeth/How I choose a subgroup for an EDO&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/w/User_talk:BudjarnLambeth/12edo_as_a_2.3.5.17.19_tuning&quot; title=&quot;User talk:BudjarnLambeth/12edo as a 2.3.5.17.19 tuning&quot;&gt;User talk:BudjarnLambeth/12edo as a 2.3.5.17.19 tuning&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>BudjarnLambeth: Moved my post to a Discord thread instead at Fredg’s suggestion</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Moved my post to a Discord thread instead at Fredg’s suggestion&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;[[User:Dummy index]] posted this on Discord overnight (Sydney time), but I decided to move it here because I would rather discuss it on a talk page:&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;== &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Moved post &lt;/ins&gt;==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;(I &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;made a &lt;/ins&gt;post here &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;but moved it &lt;/ins&gt;to &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;a Discord thread&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;) &lt;/ins&gt;--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;21&lt;/ins&gt;:&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;58&lt;/ins&gt;, 7 January 2025 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;gt; 16edo: 2 • 5 • 7 • 13 • 27 • 45&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;is dual-3. (and 14edo is dual-5 maybe.)&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* In the first place, it is too much to have four basis elements within the 5-limit.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* 27 * 5 / 45 &lt;/del&gt;= &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;3 (76 + 37 - 88 &lt;/del&gt;= &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;25 steps) is same to nearest approximation of 3rd harmonic. Hence, it is inconsistent between 27 (76 steps) and 3 (25 steps). So we need to differentiate between 3^3 and 27 in some way, to regain regularity.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* One way, 27 &lt;/del&gt;= &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;9+ * 3- &lt;/del&gt;= &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;3++ * 3- * 3- &lt;/del&gt;(&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;76 = 51 + 25 = 26 + 25 + 25). it means 2.5.7.13.27.45+ or 2.3-.3++.5.7.13 subgroup.&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;* Another way, 27+ = 9+ * 3 = 3+ * 3 * 3 for nearest approximation of 27th harmonic and 27 for 3^3. it means 2.5.7.13.27+.45+ or 2.3.3+.5.7.13 subgroup.”&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;I &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;plan to re-read Index’s &lt;/del&gt;post &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;carefully and write a reply &lt;/del&gt;here &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;later today (Sydney time). It may be several hours before I can do that due &lt;/del&gt;to &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;irl commitments&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&#039;&#039;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-added&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>BudjarnLambeth: Start talk page as promised on Discord</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Start talk page as promised on Discord&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[User:Dummy index]] posted this on Discord overnight (Sydney time), but I decided to move it here because I would rather discuss it on a talk page:&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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“Hello,&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;gt; 16edo: 2 • 5 • 7 • 13 • 27 • 45&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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is dual-3. (and 14edo is dual-5 maybe.)&lt;br /&gt;
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* In the first place, it is too much to have four basis elements within the 5-limit.&lt;br /&gt;
* 27 * 5 / 45 = 3 (76 + 37 - 88 = 25 steps) is same to nearest approximation of 3rd harmonic. Hence, it is inconsistent between 27 (76 steps) and 3 (25 steps). So we need to differentiate between 3^3 and 27 in some way, to regain regularity.&lt;br /&gt;
* One way, 27 = 9+ * 3- = 3++ * 3- * 3- (76 = 51 + 25 = 26 + 25 + 25). it means 2.5.7.13.27.45+ or 2.3-.3++.5.7.13 subgroup.&lt;br /&gt;
* Another way, 27+ = 9+ * 3 = 3+ * 3 * 3 for nearest approximation of 27th harmonic and 27 for 3^3. it means 2.5.7.13.27+.45+ or 2.3.3+.5.7.13 subgroup.”&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;I plan to re-read Index’s post carefully and write a reply here later today (Sydney time). It may be several hours before I can do that due to irl commitments.&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;--[[User:BudjarnLambeth|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth|talk]]) 18:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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