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BudjarnLambeth: /* Notability guidelines review */

2025-05-08T02:41:40Z

Notability guidelines review

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	Thank you! – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 23:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)		Thank you! – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 23:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

			: Note for future readers: this conversation moved to [[User talk:Sintel/Notability guidelines]] from this point. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 02:41, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Sintel at 23:46, 7 May 2025

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	:::::::::::: I don't know if this is a good temperament for 11L 2s, but I stumbled upon [[Alphatricot_family#Tritricot\|Tritricot]] while looking up stuff for temperamental generator of temperaments supporting 17L 2s: All listed *-limits of Tritricot list 159edo as their first optimal tuning. (And even if Tritricot isn't optimal for 11L 2s, it WILL work by hook or by crook, since all EDOs listed in the optimal tuning sequence are ≥159edo, and 159edo is already >143edo, which is the largest EDO that DOESN'T support 11L&nbsp2s, being to 11L 2s what 35edo is to 5L 2s. But I have yet to check whether you have to use some awful number of generators to get 11/8 or 16/11. Although at that high an EDO size, a MODmos based upon 11L 2s is likely to be better anyway, and for that you're going to want at least a secondary generator.) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 05:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)		:::::::::::: I don't know if this is a good temperament for 11L 2s, but I stumbled upon [[Alphatricot_family#Tritricot\|Tritricot]] while looking up stuff for temperamental generator of temperaments supporting 17L 2s: All listed *-limits of Tritricot list 159edo as their first optimal tuning. (And even if Tritricot isn't optimal for 11L 2s, it WILL work by hook or by crook, since all EDOs listed in the optimal tuning sequence are ≥159edo, and 159edo is already >143edo, which is the largest EDO that DOESN'T support 11L&nbsp2s, being to 11L 2s what 35edo is to 5L 2s. But I have yet to check whether you have to use some awful number of generators to get 11/8 or 16/11. Although at that high an EDO size, a MODmos based upon 11L 2s is likely to be better anyway, and for that you're going to want at least a secondary generator.) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 05:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

			== Notability guidelines review ==

			I drafted up a new proposal for the notability guidelines over at [[User:Sintel/Notability guidelines]].
			You can use the talk page there to let us know what you think about them, especially in context of the discussion on the previous proposal wrt some of the pages you created.

			Thank you! – [[User:Sintel\|Sintel🎏]] ([[User_talk:Sintel\|talk]]) 23:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ Tritricot support for 11L 2s

2025-04-28T05:11:06Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: Tritricot support for 11L 2s

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	::::::::::: 11L 2s won't include 25/22 (29\159, which is 3\159 too high) or 320/187 (123\159, which is also 3\159 too high — I just checked to make sure it maps correctly, although 200/117 is a lot more accurate). I was thinking maybe a MODMOS derived from 11L 2s would do it, but for that to work, one would have to be too high and the other too low. So it would have to be made with accidentals. Of course, 159edo has a load of other scales, so maybe one of these might do the job without accidentals. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::::: 11L 2s won't include 25/22 (29\159, which is 3\159 too high) or 320/187 (123\159, which is also 3\159 too high — I just checked to make sure it maps correctly, although 200/117 is a lot more accurate). I was thinking maybe a MODMOS derived from 11L 2s would do it, but for that to work, one would have to be too high and the other too low. So it would have to be made with accidentals. Of course, 159edo has a load of other scales, so maybe one of these might do the job without accidentals. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

	:::::::::::: I don't know if this is a good temperament for 11L 2s, but I stumbled upon [[Alphatricot_family#Tritricot\|Tritricot]] while looking up stuff for temperamental generator of temperaments supporting 17L 2s: All listed *-limits of Tritricot list 159edo as their first optimal tuning. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 05:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)		:::::::::::: I don't know if this is a good temperament for 11L 2s, but I stumbled upon [[Alphatricot_family#Tritricot\|Tritricot]] while looking up stuff for temperamental generator of temperaments supporting 17L 2s: All listed *-limits of Tritricot list 159edo as their first optimal tuning. (And even if Tritricot isn't optimal for 11L 2s, it WILL work by hook or by crook, since all EDOs listed in the optimal tuning sequence are ≥159edo, and 159edo is already >143edo, which is the largest EDO that DOESN'T support 11L&nbsp2s, being to 11L 2s what 35edo is to 5L 2s. But I have yet to check whether you have to use some awful number of generators to get 11/8 or 16/11. Although at that high an EDO size, a MODmos based upon 11L 2s is likely to be better anyway, and for that you're going to want at least a secondary generator.) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 05:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ Tritricot

2025-04-28T05:05:18Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: Tritricot

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	::::::::::: 11L 2s won't include 25/22 (29\159, which is 3\159 too high) or 320/187 (123\159, which is also 3\159 too high — I just checked to make sure it maps correctly, although 200/117 is a lot more accurate). I was thinking maybe a MODMOS derived from 11L 2s would do it, but for that to work, one would have to be too high and the other too low. So it would have to be made with accidentals. Of course, 159edo has a load of other scales, so maybe one of these might do the job without accidentals. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::::: 11L 2s won't include 25/22 (29\159, which is 3\159 too high) or 320/187 (123\159, which is also 3\159 too high — I just checked to make sure it maps correctly, although 200/117 is a lot more accurate). I was thinking maybe a MODMOS derived from 11L 2s would do it, but for that to work, one would have to be too high and the other too low. So it would have to be made with accidentals. Of course, 159edo has a load of other scales, so maybe one of these might do the job without accidentals. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::::::: I don't know if this is a good temperament for 11L 2s, but I stumbled upon [[Alphatricot_family#Tritricot\|Tritricot]] while looking up stuff for temperamental generator of temperaments supporting 17L 2s: All listed *-limits of Tritricot list 159edo as their first optimal tuning. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 05:05, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ The 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 chord

2025-04-24T18:10:10Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: The 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 chord

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	:::::::::: Sorry about not responding for a while, I had stuff to do, but I was reading what you were saying, and I've been checking in on harmonies that you can get from instances of ~85/64 and ~128/85. It seems that in 159edo, starting on your ~17/16, you can build an approximation of a 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 suspension easily, and you can use this as an unexpected option for something resembling a Neapolitan chord. Not sure how this chord fits with 11L 2s however- it probably doesn't. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 16:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)		:::::::::: Sorry about not responding for a while, I had stuff to do, but I was reading what you were saying, and I've been checking in on harmonies that you can get from instances of ~85/64 and ~128/85. It seems that in 159edo, starting on your ~17/16, you can build an approximation of a 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 suspension easily, and you can use this as an unexpected option for something resembling a Neapolitan chord. Not sure how this chord fits with 11L 2s however- it probably doesn't. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 16:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

			::::::::::: 11L 2s won't include 25/22 (29\159, which is 3\159 too high) or 320/187 (123\159, which is also 3\159 too high — I just checked to make sure it maps correctly, although 200/117 is a lot more accurate). I was thinking maybe a MODMOS derived from 11L 2s would do it, but for that to work, one would have to be too high and the other too low. So it would have to be made with accidentals. Of course, 159edo has a load of other scales, so maybe one of these might do the job without accidentals. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 18:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Aura at 16:24, 24 April 2025

2025-04-24T16:24:19Z

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	::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
	::::::::: On second thought, what turned out to be necessary for (at least the soft half of) 17L 2s might not help for 11L 2s, because the former didn't have a stable generator fraction within range, whereas the latter does &mbdash; hence the same extraordinary measures might not do much for it. But it can't hurt to check. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 11:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: On second thought, what turned out to be necessary for (at least the soft half of) 17L 2s might not help for 11L 2s, because the former didn't have a stable generator fraction within range, whereas the latter does &mbdash; hence the same extraordinary measures might not do much for it. But it can't hurt to check. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 11:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::::: Sorry about not responding for a while, I had stuff to do, but I was reading what you were saying, and I've been checking in on harmonies that you can get from instances of ~85/64 and ~128/85. It seems that in 159edo, starting on your ~17/16, you can build an approximation of a 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 suspension easily, and you can use this as an unexpected option for something resembling a Neapolitan chord. Not sure how this chord fits with 11L 2s however- it probably doesn't. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 16:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ Second thoughts about 11L 2s high limit

2025-04-22T11:28:05Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: Second thoughts about 11L 2s high limit

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	::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
			::::::::: On second thought, what turned out to be necessary for (at least the soft half of) 17L 2s might not help for 11L 2s, because the former didn't have a stable generator fraction within range, whereas the latter does &mbdash; hence the same extraordinary measures might not do much for it. But it can't hurt to check. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 11:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ 17L 2s: 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension for the win!

2025-04-22T10:13:40Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: 17L 2s: 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension for the win!

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	::::::::: Separately, work on 17L 2s is looking like it might give me a decent 2.3.5.13.23 meantone extension (but still need to check 13th harmonic mapping stability to be sure).		::::::::: Separately, work on 17L 2s is looking like it might give me a decent 2.3.5.13.23 meantone extension (but still need to check 13th harmonic mapping stability to be sure).
	::::::::: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

			::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ Edit war over 256/255

2025-04-21T10:20:45Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: Edit war over 256/255

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	::::::::: Checking in to let you know I didn't forget about this. In addition, I've been coming to the conclusion that while 17L 2s seems to fit with temperaments that proceed along at least part of the vertical axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table, 11L 2s requires temperaments that proceed along the horizontal axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 01:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: Checking in to let you know I didn't forget about this. In addition, I've been coming to the conclusion that while 17L 2s seems to fit with temperaments that proceed along at least part of the vertical axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table, 11L 2s requires temperaments that proceed along the horizontal axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 01:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

			::::::::: Also, 256/255 currently has an edit war going on about whether its names should include "char comma", from our point of view, "char comma" would have been nice for enabling "char chroma" in tuning systems that use it as an interval instead of tempering it out. I thought about putting this in the associated discussion page, but the edit war is going on with apparently no inclination to put any further discussion there (although plenty of old discussion about naming exists there).
			::::::::: Separately, work on 17L 2s is looking like it might give me a decent 2.3.5.13.23 meantone extension (but still need to check 13th harmonic mapping stability to be sure).
			::::::::: [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:20, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

Lucius Chiaraviglio: /* Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism? */ Horizontal vs vertical temperaments

2025-04-21T01:49:59Z

Temperament(s) for Diatonicized Chromaticism?: Horizontal vs vertical temperaments

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	::::::::: That's the idea. Although other parts of the 11L 2s tuning spectrum may need alternate syntonic comma/chroma analogs, just like some parts of the 5L 2s tuning spectrum are best served by 64/63 instead of 81/80. (And sorry about the typo in the [[256/255]] page.) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 21:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: That's the idea. Although other parts of the 11L 2s tuning spectrum may need alternate syntonic comma/chroma analogs, just like some parts of the 5L 2s tuning spectrum are best served by 64/63 instead of 81/80. (And sorry about the typo in the [[256/255]] page.) [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 21:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

			::::::::: Checking in to let you know I didn't forget about this. In addition, I've been coming to the conclusion that while 17L 2s seems to fit with temperaments that proceed along at least part of the vertical axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table, 11L 2s requires temperaments that proceed along the horizontal axis of the corresponding tuning spectrum table. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 01:49, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

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	::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: For 17L 2s, had to go for a 2.3.5.23.53 meantone extension to get the soft half of the spectrum — the 13th harmonic mapping just wasn't stable enough. Now that I've got that done, I wonder if giving the very high harmonics another look might turn up something similar for 11L 2s? Bonus points if it works accurately enough to include an EDO as large as 159edo (for the 17L 2 meantone extension, 146edo was too big to fit without an accuracy-degrading 'c' wart as well as an 'i' wart). [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 10:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
	::::::::: On second thought, what turned out to be necessary for (at least the soft half of) 17L 2s might not help for 11L 2s, because the former didn't have a stable generator fraction within range, whereas the latter does &mbdash; hence the same extraordinary measures might not do much for it. But it can't hurt to check. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 11:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)		::::::::: On second thought, what turned out to be necessary for (at least the soft half of) 17L 2s might not help for 11L 2s, because the former didn't have a stable generator fraction within range, whereas the latter does &mbdash; hence the same extraordinary measures might not do much for it. But it can't hurt to check. [[User:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|Lucius Chiaraviglio]] ([[User talk:Lucius Chiaraviglio\|talk]]) 11:28, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

			:::::::::: Sorry about not responding for a while, I had stuff to do, but I was reading what you were saying, and I've been checking in on harmonies that you can get from instances of ~85/64 and ~128/85. It seems that in 159edo, starting on your ~17/16, you can build an approximation of a 1/1-25/22-128/85-320/187 suspension easily, and you can use this as an unexpected option for something resembling a Neapolitan chord. Not sure how this chord fits with 11L 2s however- it probably doesn't. --[[User:Aura\|Aura]] ([[User talk:Aura\|talk]]) 16:24, 24 April 2025 (UTC)