User talk:Arseniiv/Factorization - Revision history

Arseniiv: /* numbers as names */ re

2020-11-08T11:52:50Z

numbers as names: re

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	:::::::: I’m not against mandatory multiplication, I just thought it may look easier on the eyes when editing pages. :) As about testing… First I’ll make the template easier like in your variant where <code>#regex</code> is used only once, and then check examples from the docs (with multiplications inserted everywhere), and I think they should cover all possibilities, so then I’ll write here for us to deploy it. Also is it time for Todo too? Ah, I hadn’t moved docs out yet, but maybe you could?.. --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 11:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)		:::::::: I’m not against mandatory multiplication, I just thought it may look easier on the eyes when editing pages. :) As about testing… First I’ll make the template easier like in your variant where <code>#regex</code> is used only once, and then check examples from the docs (with multiplications inserted everywhere), and I think they should cover all possibilities, so then I’ll write here for us to deploy it. Also is it time for Todo too? Ah, I hadn’t moved docs out yet, but maybe you could?.. --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 11:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

			:::::::: Now I believe this one is alright! {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization\| 2 * 35^-4 7*2 31 ^ -1 }} --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 11:52, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Arseniiv: /* numbers as names */ re

2020-11-08T11:22:41Z

numbers as names: re

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	::::::: Could it be that letting out the multiplication symbol is not a requirement? As far as I know, the symbol is left out for single-char variables, not between numbers. Wolfram alpha for example provides these syntax variants: [[alpha: 2^43^-2]], [[alpha: 243**-2]], this variant is <code>2^4 3^-2</code> accepted in the input box there (but indicated as a bit ambiguous), but ''we'' have a bit of trouble to get it correctly transferred via interwiki [[alpha: 2^4 3^-2]], that's why I'd suggest to drop it's support to reduce confusion. My concern is also about the "service focus": you don't get the factorization itself from the template (which you actually want to get done, because it's hard) but syntax conversion (which is way easier) - I'm sure you get my point. What else should be discussed? Should I do a bit of testing? Do you want to do another iteration before? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 09:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)		::::::: Could it be that letting out the multiplication symbol is not a requirement? As far as I know, the symbol is left out for single-char variables, not between numbers. Wolfram alpha for example provides these syntax variants: [[alpha: 2^43^-2]], [[alpha: 243**-2]], this variant is <code>2^4 3^-2</code> accepted in the input box there (but indicated as a bit ambiguous), but ''we'' have a bit of trouble to get it correctly transferred via interwiki [[alpha: 2^4 3^-2]], that's why I'd suggest to drop it's support to reduce confusion. My concern is also about the "service focus": you don't get the factorization itself from the template (which you actually want to get done, because it's hard) but syntax conversion (which is way easier) - I'm sure you get my point. What else should be discussed? Should I do a bit of testing? Do you want to do another iteration before? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 09:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

			:::::::: I’m not against mandatory multiplication, I just thought it may look easier on the eyes when editing pages. :) As about testing… First I’ll make the template easier like in your variant where <code>#regex</code> is used only once, and then check examples from the docs (with multiplications inserted everywhere), and I think they should cover all possibilities, so then I’ll write here for us to deploy it. Also is it time for Todo too? Ah, I hadn’t moved docs out yet, but maybe you could?.. --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 11:22, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* numbers as names */ re

2020-11-08T09:04:28Z

numbers as names: re

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	:::::: ❝ When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand <code>^</code> for <code></code>, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use <code>#regex</code> twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization\|23 * 5 * 7^ -5 * 11 ** 9 19 ^-4}} ❞ --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 23:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		:::::: ❝ When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand <code>^</code> for <code></code>, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use <code>#regex</code> twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization\|23 * 5 * 7^ -5 * 11 ** 9 19 ^-4}} ❞ --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 23:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			::::::: Could it be that letting out the multiplication symbol is not a requirement? As far as I know, the symbol is left out for single-char variables, not between numbers. Wolfram alpha for example provides these syntax variants: [[alpha: 2^43^-2]], [[alpha: 243**-2]], this variant is <code>2^4 3^-2</code> accepted in the input box there (but indicated as a bit ambiguous), but ''we'' have a bit of trouble to get it correctly transferred via interwiki [[alpha: 2^4 3^-2]], that's why I'd suggest to drop it's support to reduce confusion. My concern is also about the "service focus": you don't get the factorization itself from the template (which you actually want to get done, because it's hard) but syntax conversion (which is way easier) - I'm sure you get my point. What else should be discussed? Should I do a bit of testing? Do you want to do another iteration before? --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 09:04, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Arseniiv: /* numbers as names */ there was another reply too

2020-11-07T23:30:40Z

numbers as names: there was another reply too

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	::::: I read it only now (same idea nearly at the same time🙂). I think <code>^</code> looks better, it's now also possible to stuff space around the operators. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		::::: I read it only now (same idea nearly at the same time🙂). I think <code>^</code> looks better, it's now also possible to stuff space around the operators. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

	:::::: Missed your developments while extending my version. This code is way simpler but it needs obligatory <code></code>s… or that can be changed? How do you think about if <code></code> are needed? --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 23:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		:::::: Missed your developments while extending my version. This code is way simpler but it needs obligatory <code></code>s… or that can be changed? How do you think about if <code></code> are needed?

			:::::: It seems I should have written another reply here and not in [[User talk:Arseniiv#Infobox helper]], ow. Reposting it here now:

			:::::: ❝ When you’re back, please look at the current version. I think it works as expected. It also does understand <code>^</code> for <code></code>, doesn’t shy from excess spaces, and makes minuses into unicode minus − which is a bit higher and wider than - and matches + and tall characters like digits: −+- −3 -3. But the code is almost unreadable and I needed to use <code>#regex</code> twice, otherwise the dots in the middle were deleted together with the trailing one. {{User:Arseniiv/Factorization\|23 * 5 * 7^ -5 * 11 ** 9 19 ^-4}} ❞ --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 23:30, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arseniiv: /* numbers as names */ re

2020-11-07T23:24:42Z

numbers as names: re

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	::::: I read it only now (same idea nearly at the same time🙂). I think <code>^</code> looks better, it's now also possible to stuff space around the operators. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		::::: I read it only now (same idea nearly at the same time🙂). I think <code>^</code> looks better, it's now also possible to stuff space around the operators. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			:::::: Missed your developments while extending my version. This code is way simpler but it needs obligatory <code></code>s… or that can be changed? How do you think about if <code></code> are needed? --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 23:24, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* numbers as names */ re

2020-11-07T21:37:46Z

numbers as names: re

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	:::: Looks good! Though maybe also alternatively use <code>^</code> for powers? --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		:::: Looks good! Though maybe also alternatively use <code>^</code> for powers? --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			::::: I read it only now (same idea nearly at the same time🙂). I think <code>^</code> looks better, it's now also possible to stuff space around the operators. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:37, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arseniiv: /* numbers as names */ sign

2020-11-07T21:28:22Z

numbers as names: sign

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	::: Please have a look on [[SandBox#Testing factor notation]], only unsolved problem here is the trailing dot. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		::: Please have a look on [[SandBox#Testing factor notation]], only unsolved problem here is the trailing dot. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

	:::: Looks good! Though maybe also alternatively use <code>^</code> for powers?		:::: Looks good! Though maybe also alternatively use <code>^</code> for powers? --[[User:Arseniiv\|Arseniiv]] ([[User talk:Arseniiv\|talk]]) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Arseniiv: re

2020-11-07T21:28:01Z

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	::: Please have a look on [[SandBox#Testing factor notation]], only unsolved problem here is the trailing dot. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		::: Please have a look on [[SandBox#Testing factor notation]], only unsolved problem here is the trailing dot. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			:::: Looks good! Though maybe also alternatively use <code>^</code> for powers?

Xenwolf: /* numbers as names */ regex-sample...

2020-11-07T21:21:44Z

numbers as names: regex-sample...

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	:: Maybe prefixes instead? We could use the regex extension, see [[Template:EDOs]] for an example. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 20:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		:: Maybe prefixes instead? We could use the regex extension, see [[Template:EDOs]] for an example. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 20:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			::: Please have a look on [[SandBox#Testing factor notation]], only unsolved problem here is the trailing dot. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 21:21, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Xenwolf: /* numbers as names */ idea

2020-11-07T20:55:31Z

numbers as names: idea

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	: O, sorry, I see: not possible because of the 16-parameter limit. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 20:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)		: O, sorry, I see: not possible because of the 16-parameter limit. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 20:54, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

			:: Maybe prefixes instead? We could use the regex extension, see [[Template:EDOs]] for an example. --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 20:55, 7 November 2020 (UTC)