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		<title>Lériendil at 14:28, 14 April 2025</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-14T14:28:04Z</updated>

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		<title>Lériendil: Lériendil moved page Dilemmic and antidilemmic to User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic and antidilemmic</title>
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		<updated>2025-04-14T14:27:56Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Lériendil moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Dilemmic_and_antidilemmic&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Dilemmic and antidilemmic&quot;&gt;Dilemmic and antidilemmic&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/w/User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic_and_antidilemmic&quot; title=&quot;User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic and antidilemmic&quot;&gt;User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic and antidilemmic&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>VectorGraphics: tried adding Leri-sama&#039;s infobox and failed cuz it didn&#039;t work.</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;tried adding &lt;a href=&quot;/w/User:L%C3%A9riendil&quot; title=&quot;User:Lériendil&quot;&gt;Leri-sama&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#039;s infobox and failed cuz it didn&amp;#039;t work.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other [[circular temperament]]s, the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{Infobox Regtemp|TBD=TBD|Name=Dilemmic}}&lt;/del&gt;However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other [[circular temperament]]s, the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt; &lt;/ins&gt;However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This goes with the trend of circular temperaments of the 7th harmonic being named after elements of that general series of creative works.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This goes with the trend of circular temperaments of the 7th harmonic being named after elements of that general series of creative works.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;(Infobox TBD)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Temperaments]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[Category:Temperaments]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>VectorGraphics at 06:03, 21 October 2024</title>
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		<updated>2024-10-21T06:03:19Z</updated>

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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other [[circular temperament]]s, the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other [[circular temperament]]s, the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;{{Infobox Regtemp|TBD=TBD|Name=Dilemmic}}&lt;/ins&gt;However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>VectorGraphics</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic_and_antidilemmic&amp;diff=161428&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>BudjarnLambeth: Various cleanup, add category</title>
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		<updated>2024-10-20T09:48:09Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Various cleanup, add category&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 09:48, 20 October 2024&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot;&gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Circular temperament|&lt;/del&gt;closing the circle&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;]] &lt;/del&gt;of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other &lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;circular &lt;/del&gt;[[&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Regular &lt;/del&gt;temperament&lt;del style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;|temperaments&lt;/del&gt;]], the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other [[&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;circular &lt;/ins&gt;temperament]]&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;s&lt;/ins&gt;, the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal.  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This goes with the trend of circular temperaments of the 7th harmonic being named after elements of that general series of creative works.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;This goes with the trend of circular temperaments of the 7th harmonic being named after elements of that general series of creative works.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;[[Category:Temperaments]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>BudjarnLambeth</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://en.xen.wiki/index.php?title=User:VectorGraphics/Dilemmic_and_antidilemmic&amp;diff=161416&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>VectorGraphics: Created page with &quot;&#039;&#039;&#039;Requiem&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;tsuchi&#039;&#039;&#039; (also called &#039;&#039;&#039;dilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;antidilemmic&#039;&#039;&#039;) are the two ways of closing the circle of 7/4&lt;nowiki/&gt;s in 13...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2024-10-20T09:31:08Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Requiem&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (also called &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;dilemmic&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;antidilemmic&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;) are the two ways of &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Circular_temperament&quot; title=&quot;Circular temperament&quot;&gt;closing the circle&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;/w/7/4&quot; title=&quot;7/4&quot;&gt;7/4&lt;/a&gt;&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in 13...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Requiem&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; (also called &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;dilemmic&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;antidilemmic&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;) are the two ways of [[Circular temperament|closing the circle]] of [[7/4]]&amp;lt;nowiki/&amp;gt;s in [[13edo]], corresponding to the two 13edo intervals, 10\13 and 11\13, that 7/4 is pretty much exactly in between. With other circular [[Regular temperament|temperaments]], the [[comma]] is usually significantly smaller than 600c, meaning the circle can only reasonably be closed one way. However, the [[96889010407/68719476736|dilemma]] (and its octave complement the [[137438953472/96889010407|antidilemma]]) are within 10 cents of sqrt(2), meaning that the difference in accuracy between flattening and sharpening 7/4 is minimal. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For clarification, &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;requiem (dilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the dilemma; and &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;tsuchi (antidilemmic)&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; tempers out the antidilemma.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
They are named after a poorly-formed moral dilemma in a setting Vector Graphics is aware of, wherein only two sides are presented, associated with the faction &amp;quot;Requiem&amp;quot; and a faction associated with &amp;quot;Tsuchi&amp;quot;, and not only are more options available in-universe but the presentation is rather inconsistent with how much agency one actually has in the matter. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This goes with the trend of circular temperaments of the 7th harmonic being named after elements of that general series of creative works.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>VectorGraphics</name></author>
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