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wording

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	Most people also agree to have a single name regardless of the subgroup, as long as there is an agreed 'canonical' extension.		Most people also agree to have a single name regardless of the subgroup, as long as there is an agreed 'canonical' extension.
	Since a rank-2 temperament on a subgroup with 3 primes can be identified by a single comma, ideally it would be called after that comma (e.g. hanson can be kleismic).		Since a rank-2 temperament on a subgroup with 3 primes can be identified by a single comma, ideally it would be called after that comma (e.g. hanson can be kleismic).
	The other extensions would preferably be named so that makes the connection clear ~~but they are not~~ confused too easily. Flattone and hedgehog are good examples here.		The other extensions would preferably be named in a way that makes the connection clear without being confused too easily. Flattone and hedgehog are good examples here.

	== Appendix ==		== Appendix ==

Sintel at 22:56, 7 April 2022

2022-04-07T22:56:34Z

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	: Skwares-squares, porkypine-porky-porcupine, mabila-mavila		: Skwares-squares, porkypine-porky-porcupine, mabila-mavila
	* Complicated compound names:		* Complicated compound names:
	: Meannadecal, hemiwurschmidt, sesquiquartififths~~, etc.~~		: Meannadecal, hemiwurschmidt, sesquiquartififths
	* Brand names, cultural references, bad puns:		* Brand names, cultural references, bad puns:
	: Heinz, beatles, a-team, jamesbond, pontiac, slender, gorgo		: Heinz, beatles, a-team, jamesbond, pontiac, slender, gorgo
	: Orwell is an exception here.		: Orwell is an exception here.
	* Nonsensical names:		* Nonsensical names:
	: Vavoom, waage, bunya, gorgo ~~...~~		: Vavoom, waage, bunya, gorgo
	* Names that are easily confused with existing terminology:		* Names that are easily confused with existing terminology:
	: Flat, sharp, neutral, ampersand, commatic		: Flat, sharp, neutral, ampersand, commatic
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	: Blacksmith (= blackwood), ampersand (= miracle), cynder/mothra (both are disliked), orson (= orwell), hanson/kleismic, godzilla (= semaphore)		: Blacksmith (= blackwood), ampersand (= miracle), cynder/mothra (both are disliked), orson (= orwell), hanson/kleismic, godzilla (= semaphore)
	* Bad taste:		* Bad taste:
	: ~~catcall~~, dominatrix,		: Catcall, dominatrix

	=== What makes a good name? ===		=== What makes a good name? ===
	Good names are harder to categorize. Some names are already used so commonly that nobody really objects to ~~the use~~. Although there are still some that are disliked heavily despite this. It seems like the best names are either fun and easy to remember words (e.g. porcupine, bug, machine, magic), or allude to the structure somehow (e.g. dicot, superpyth, semaphore).		Good names are harder to categorize. Some names are already used so commonly that nobody really objects to them. Although there are still some that are disliked heavily despite this. It seems like the best names are either fun and easy to remember words (e.g. porcupine, bug, machine, magic), or allude to the structure somehow (e.g. dicot, superpyth, semaphore).

	Most people also agree to have a single name regardless of the subgroup, as long as there is an agreed 'canonical' extension.		Most people also agree to have a single name regardless of the subgroup, as long as there is an agreed 'canonical' extension.

Sintel at 22:52, 7 April 2022

2022-04-07T22:52:08Z

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	== Discussion ==		== Discussion ==

	After reading the comments ~~in the~~ some further discussions, here are some interpretations. Some names listed here weren't in the original survey, but I hope you can forgive me for extrapolating a bit.		After reading the comments and some further discussions, here are some of my interpretations. Some names listed here weren't in the original survey, but I hope you can forgive me for extrapolating a bit.

	=== Reasons for disliking a name ===		=== Reasons for disliking a name ===

Sintel: Temperament survey results

2022-04-07T22:49:20Z

Temperament survey results

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Recently I did a small survey to see how people feel about the naming of temperaments. I included 112 names I thought were sort of common, but tried to include a wide variety. In total, 21 people (anonymously) filled in the survey, most of them from the XA Discord server.
This is of course just a small sample, and not very conclusive, but I feel like it's interesting anyway.

People ranked every name on a scale of 0, 1 or 2. 0 meaning they disliked the name, and 2 meaning they liked it. A 1 means either they were unfamiliar or simply neutral. I then rescaled this to -1 to 1, and the average of these is the "score" for each name. The standard deviation is also included, as a measure for how "controversial" the name was considered. All the data can be found in a sortable list at the bottom of this page.

== Results ==

; Most liked names (in order):
: Meantone, blackwood, superpyth, porcupine, schismatic, augmented, magic, semaphore, tetracot, mavila, flattone, pajara, miracle, dicot, diminished, diaschismic

; Least liked names (in order):
: Ampersand, jamesbond, waage, porky, monzismic, meanenneadecal, migration, shrutar, immunity, beatles, history, pontiac, shibboleth

Some controversial ones: father, slender, bug, dominant, slendric, whitewood

== Discussion ==

After reading the comments in the some further discussions, here are some interpretations. Some names listed here weren't in the original survey, but I hope you can forgive me for extrapolating a bit.

=== Reasons for disliking a name ===
* Taking names from other cultures:
: Srutal, shrutar, gamelan, slendric, catalan(?)
: Mavila seems to be an exception here, as it was generally well-liked. Maqamic was already renamed.
* Names that are just variations or plain misspellings of others:
: Skwares-squares, porkypine-porky-porcupine, mabila-mavila
* Complicated compound names:
: Meannadecal, hemiwurschmidt, sesquiquartififths, etc.
* Brand names, cultural references, bad puns:
: Heinz, beatles, a-team, jamesbond, pontiac, slender, gorgo
: Orwell is an exception here.
* Nonsensical names:
: Vavoom, waage, bunya, gorgo ...
* Names that are easily confused with existing terminology:
: Flat, sharp, neutral, ampersand, commatic
* Temperaments that are well-known by their extensions:
: Blacksmith (= blackwood), ampersand (= miracle), cynder/mothra (both are disliked), orson (= orwell), hanson/kleismic, godzilla (= semaphore)
* Bad taste:
: catcall, dominatrix,

=== What makes a good name? ===
Good names are harder to categorize. Some names are already used so commonly that nobody really objects to the use. Although there are still some that are disliked heavily despite this. It seems like the best names are either fun and easy to remember words (e.g. porcupine, bug, machine, magic), or allude to the structure somehow (e.g. dicot, superpyth, semaphore).

Most people also agree to have a single name regardless of the subgroup, as long as there is an agreed 'canonical' extension.
Since a rank-2 temperament on a subgroup with 3 primes can be identified by a single comma, ideally it would be called after that comma (e.g. hanson can be kleismic).
The other extensions would preferably be named so that makes the connection clear but they are not confused too easily. Flattone and hedgehog are good examples here.

== Appendix ==

{| class="wikitable left-1 sortable mw-collapsible" style="text-align:right"
! colspan="6" | Results
|-
! name
! dislike
! neutral
! like
! score
! stddev
|-
| Meantone
| 0
| 1
| 19
| 0.950
| 0.224
|-
| Srutal
| 9
| 9
| 3
| -0.286
| 0.717
|-
| Augmented
| 1
| 7
| 12
| 0.550
| 0.605
|-
| Mercator
| 3
| 9
| 8
| 0.250
| 0.716
|-
| Porcupine
| 2
| 2
| 15
| 0.684
| 0.671
|-
| Bug
| 5
| 7
| 9
| 0.190
| 0.814
|-
| Hanson
| 4
| 10
| 7
| 0.143
| 0.727
|-
| Tetracot
| 2
| 7
| 11
| 0.450
| 0.686
|-
| Magic
| 2
| 5
| 13
| 0.550
| 0.686
|-
| Injera
| 6
| 10
| 4
| -0.100
| 0.718
|-
| Godzilla
| 7
| 8
| 5
| -0.100
| 0.788
|-
| Vicentino
| 2
| 15
| 3
| 0.050
| 0.510
|-
| Helmholtz
| 2
| 10
| 8
| 0.300
| 0.657
|-
| Schismatic
| 0
| 8
| 12
| 0.600
| 0.503
|-
| Dicot
| 3
| 7
| 11
| 0.381
| 0.740
|-
| Diminished
| 1
| 11
| 8
| 0.350
| 0.587
|-
| Sensi
| 3
| 11
| 6
| 0.150
| 0.671
|-
| Negri
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|-
| Mavila
| 3
| 5
| 12
| 0.450
| 0.759
|-
| Mabila
| 10
| 10
| 1
| -0.429
| 0.598
|-
| Monzismic
| 10
| 9
| 1
| -0.450
| 0.605
|-
| Vavoom
| 8
| 9
| 3
| -0.250
| 0.716
|-
| Ampersand
| 12
| 9
| 0
| -0.571
| 0.507
|-
| Würschmidt
| 6
| 10
| 4
| -0.100
| 0.718
|-
| Blackwood
| 1
| 3
| 16
| 0.750
| 0.550
|-
| Whitewood
| 5
| 7
| 8
| 0.150
| 0.813
|-
| Compton
| 4
| 11
| 5
| 0.050
| 0.686
|-
| Amity
| 3
| 13
| 4
| 0.050
| 0.605
|-
| Passion
| 7
| 10
| 3
| -0.200
| 0.696
|-
| Orson
| 6
| 11
| 4
| -0.095
| 0.700
|-
| Valentine
| 5
| 12
| 2
| -0.158
| 0.602
|-
| Ripple
| 3
| 12
| 4
| 0.053
| 0.621
|-
| Unicorn
| 6
| 13
| 1
| -0.250
| 0.550
|-
| Immunity
| 8
| 11
| 1
| -0.350
| 0.587
|-
| Father
| 10
| 5
| 6
| -0.190
| 0.873
|-
| Doublewide
| 4
| 13
| 3
| -0.050
| 0.605
|-
| Shibboleth
| 8
| 9
| 2
| -0.316
| 0.671
|-
| Vishnu
| 9
| 7
| 4
| -0.250
| 0.786
|-
| Luna
| 3
| 12
| 5
| 0.100
| 0.641
|-
| Vulture
| 4
| 12
| 4
| 0.000
| 0.649
|-
| Gravity
| 4
| 13
| 3
| -0.050
| 0.605
|-
| Archy
| 5
| 9
| 6
| 0.050
| 0.759
|-
| Slendric
| 9
| 7
| 5
| -0.190
| 0.814
|-
| Beep
| 8
| 8
| 5
| -0.143
| 0.793
|-
| Superpyth
| 0
| 5
| 15
| 0.750
| 0.444
|-
| Heinz
| 6
| 9
| 5
| -0.050
| 0.759
|-
| Gorgo
| 4
| 11
| 5
| 0.050
| 0.686
|-
| Semaphore
| 1
| 8
| 12
| 0.524
| 0.602
|-
| Liese
| 2
| 16
| 2
| 0.000
| 0.459
|-
| Squares
| 3
| 14
| 3
| 0.000
| 0.562
|-
| Skwares
| 8
| 9
| 3
| -0.250
| 0.716
|-
| Pajara
| 3
| 6
| 11
| 0.400
| 0.754
|-
| Diaschismic
| 3
| 7
| 10
| 0.350
| 0.745
|-
| Shrutar
| 9
| 11
| 1
| -0.381
| 0.590
|-
| Beatles
| 10
| 7
| 3
| -0.350
| 0.745
|-
| Hemififths
| 4
| 9
| 7
| 0.150
| 0.745
|-
| Wizard
| 5
| 10
| 5
| 0.000
| 0.725
|-
| Miracle
| 3
| 6
| 11
| 0.400
| 0.754
|-
| Flattone
| 2
| 7
| 11
| 0.450
| 0.686
|-
| Augene
| 4
| 12
| 4
| 0.000
| 0.649
|-
| Keemun
| 8
| 10
| 2
| -0.300
| 0.657
|-
| Garibaldi
| 5
| 10
| 5
| 0.000
| 0.725
|-
| Cynder
| 7
| 12
| 1
| -0.300
| 0.571
|-
| Blacksmith
| 5
| 12
| 3
| -0.100
| 0.641
|-
| Catler
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|-
| Porky
| 11
| 9
| 1
| -0.476
| 0.602
|-
| Pelogic
| 7
| 10
| 4
| -0.143
| 0.727
|-
| Dominant
| 5
| 7
| 9
| 0.190
| 0.814
|-
| Hystrix
| 6
| 11
| 3
| -0.150
| 0.671
|-
| Jamesbond
| 10
| 10
| 0
| -0.500
| 0.513
|-
| Octacot
| 1
| 12
| 7
| 0.300
| 0.571
|-
| Bunya
| 7
| 11
| 2
| -0.250
| 0.639
|-
| Myna
| 4
| 12
| 4
| 0.000
| 0.649
|-
| August
| 5
| 13
| 2
| -0.150
| 0.587
|-
| Migration
| 7
| 12
| 1
| -0.300
| 0.571
|-
| History
| 8
| 11
| 1
| -0.350
| 0.587
|-
| Catalan
| 6
| 11
| 3
| -0.150
| 0.671
|-
| Gamelan
| 9
| 8
| 4
| -0.238
| 0.768
|-
| Waage
| 10
| 10
| 0
| -0.500
| 0.513
|-
| Misty
| 5
| 10
| 5
| 0.000
| 0.725
|-
| Pontiac
| 8
| 11
| 1
| -0.350
| 0.587
|-
| Unidec
| 4
| 13
| 3
| -0.050
| 0.605
|-
| Buzzard
| 4
| 12
| 4
| 0.000
| 0.649
|-
| A-team
| 8
| 10
| 2
| -0.300
| 0.657
|-
| Orwell
| 4
| 6
| 10
| 0.300
| 0.801
|-
| Meanpop
| 7
| 10
| 3
| -0.200
| 0.696
|-
| Meanenneadecal
| 10
| 9
| 1
| -0.450
| 0.605
|-
| Ennealimmal
| 4
| 9
| 7
| 0.150
| 0.745
|-
| Supra
| 5
| 14
| 1
| -0.200
| 0.523
|-
| Parakleismic
| 5
| 10
| 5
| 0.000
| 0.725
|-
| Mohajira
| 5
| 10
| 5
| 0.000
| 0.725
|-
| Mothra
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|-
| Andromeda
| 4
| 11
| 5
| 0.050
| 0.686
|-
| Hedgehog
| 1
| 12
| 7
| 0.300
| 0.571
|-
| Migration
| 9
| 10
| 1
| -0.400
| 0.598
|-
| Superkleismic
| 3
| 13
| 4
| 0.050
| 0.605
|-
| Neutral
| 2
| 14
| 4
| 0.100
| 0.553
|-
| Catakleismic
| 6
| 11
| 3
| -0.150
| 0.671
|-
| Machine
| 3
| 9
| 8
| 0.250
| 0.716
|-
| Harry
| 7
| 9
| 4
| -0.150
| 0.745
|-
| Orgone
| 5
| 9
| 6
| 0.050
| 0.759
|-
| Rodan
| 8
| 9
| 3
| -0.250
| 0.716
|-
| Triforce
| 6
| 9
| 5
| -0.050
| 0.759
|-
| Unidec
| 5
| 11
| 4
| -0.050
| 0.686
|-
| Octoid
| 4
| 10
| 6
| 0.100
| 0.718
|-
| Ennealimnic
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|-
| Hemiwürschmidt
| 7
| 11
| 2
| -0.250
| 0.639
|-
| Semisept
| 5
| 10
| 4
| -0.053
| 0.705
|-
| Slender
| 9
| 6
| 5
| -0.200
| 0.834
|-
| Kwai
| 7
| 9
| 4
| -0.150
| 0.745
|-
| Portent
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|-
| Hexe
| 6
| 12
| 2
| -0.200
| 0.616
|}

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