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		<title>Hkm: Created page with &quot;{{Technical data page}} The &#039;&#039;&#039;fifive family&#039;&#039;&#039; of temperaments tempers out the fifive comma ({{monzo|legend=1| -1 -14 10 }}, ratio: 9765625/9565938).  The name &#039;&#039;fifive&#039;&#039; was given by Petr Pařízek in 2011 for it splits the perfect fifth in five.&lt;ref&gt;[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | &#039;&#039;Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments&#039;&#039;]&lt;/ref&gt;...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;{{Technical data page}} The &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;fifive family&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; of &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Regular_temperament&quot; title=&quot;Regular temperament&quot;&gt;temperaments&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Tempering_out&quot; title=&quot;Tempering out&quot;&gt;tempers out&lt;/a&gt; the &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Fifive_comma&quot; title=&quot;Fifive comma&quot;&gt;fifive comma&lt;/a&gt; ({{monzo|legend=1| -1 -14 10 }}, &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Ratio&quot; class=&quot;mw-redirect&quot; title=&quot;Ratio&quot;&gt;ratio&lt;/a&gt;: 9765625/9565938).  The name &amp;#039;&amp;#039;fifive&amp;#039;&amp;#039; was given by &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Petr_Pa%C5%99%C3%ADzek&quot; title=&quot;Petr Pařízek&quot;&gt;Petr Pařízek&lt;/a&gt; in 2011 for it splits the &lt;a href=&quot;/w/3/2&quot; title=&quot;3/2&quot;&gt;perfect fifth&lt;/a&gt; in five.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments&amp;#039;&amp;#039;]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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The &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;fifive family&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; of [[regular temperament|temperaments]] [[tempering out|tempers out]] the [[fifive comma]] ({{monzo|legend=1| -1 -14 10 }}, [[ratio]]: 9765625/9565938).&lt;br /&gt;
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The name &amp;#039;&amp;#039;fifive&amp;#039;&amp;#039; was given by [[Petr Pařízek]] in 2011 for it splits the [[3/2|perfect fifth]] in five.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_101780.html Yahoo! Tuning Group | &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Suggested names for the unclasified temperaments&amp;#039;&amp;#039;]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Considered below are crepuscular, fifives, and fourfives. &lt;br /&gt;
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== Fifive ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Comma list]]: 9765625/9565938&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 | 0 5 7 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: mapping generators: ~78125/50421, ~27/25&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Optimal tuning]]s:&lt;br /&gt;
* [[CTE]]: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.6349&lt;br /&gt;
* [[POTE]]: ~78125/50421 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.624&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 18bc, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Badness]]: &lt;br /&gt;
* Smith: 0.205812&lt;br /&gt;
* Dirichlet: 4.828&lt;br /&gt;
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=== 2.3.5.13 subgroup ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.13&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 325/324, 20000/19773&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 6 | 0 5 7 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: mapping generators: ~351/250, ~13/12&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimal tunings:&lt;br /&gt;
* CTE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5685&lt;br /&gt;
* CWE: ~351/250 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6232&lt;br /&gt;
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Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 8, 18bcf, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: &lt;br /&gt;
* Smith: 0.0240&lt;br /&gt;
* Dirichlet: 0.800&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 2.3.5.13.17 subgroup ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.13.17&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 170/169, 289/288, 325/324&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 6 7 | 0 5 7 6 5 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: mapping generators: ~17/12, ~13/12&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tunings:&lt;br /&gt;
* CTE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.5958&lt;br /&gt;
* CWE: ~17/12 = 1\2, ~13/12 = 140.6057&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal ET sequence: {{Optimal ET sequence| 8, 18bcfg, 26, 34, 94, 128 }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: &lt;br /&gt;
* Smith: 0.0110&lt;br /&gt;
* Dirichlet: 0.488&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Crepuscular ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also| Jubilismic clan #Crepuscular }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Comma list]]: 50/49, 4375/4374&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 4 | 0 5 7 7 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Multival|legend=1| 10 14 14 -1 -6 -7 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 140.349&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Badness]]: 0.086669&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 11-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 50/49, 99/98, 864/847&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 | 0 5 7 7 4 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.587&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.040758&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 13-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 99/98, 144/143&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 6 | 0 5 7 7 4 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.554&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.024368&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 17-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 50/49, 78/77, 85/84, 99/98, 144/143&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 4 6 6 7 | 0 5 7 7 4 6 5 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~7/5 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 140.405&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 26, 34d, 60d }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: 0.018567&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Fifives ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Comma list]]: 875/864, 83349/81920&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 2 2 3 7 | 0 5 7 -6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~567/400 = 1\2, ~27/25 = 139.909&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Badness]]: 0.130589&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 11-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 100/99, 385/384, 3969/3872&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 | 0 5 7 -6 4 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~63/44 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.884&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: 0.080306&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 13-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 1352/1331&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 6 | 0 5 7 -6 4 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~55/39 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.867&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.044253&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 17-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 100/99, 105/104, 144/143, 170/169, 221/220&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 2 2 3 7 6 6 7 | 0 5 7 -6 4 6 5 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~17/12 = 1\2, ~12/11 = 139.868&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8, 26, 34, 60 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.029429&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Fourfives ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also| Sensamagic clan }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Subgroup]]: 2.3.5.7&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Comma list]]: 245/243, 235298/234375&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Mapping|legend=1| 4 4 6 7 | 0 5 7 9 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: mapping generators: ~25/21, ~27/25&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Optimal tuning]] ([[POTE]]): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.754&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60, 68, 128 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Badness]]: 0.114143&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
=== 11-limit ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 245/243, 385/384, 235298/234375&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 19 | 0 5 7 9 -11 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.771&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196 }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: 0.120165&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== 13-limit ====&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 196/195, 245/243, 385/384, 20000/19773&lt;br /&gt;
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Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 19 12 | 0 5 7 9 -11 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.760&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8de, 60, 68, 128, 196f }}&lt;br /&gt;
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Badness: 0.067365&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Quadrafives ===&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 121/120, 245/243, 1375/1372&lt;br /&gt;
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Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 | 0 5 7 9 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~27/25 = 140.630&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.057268&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== 13-limit ====&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13&lt;br /&gt;
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Comma list: 121/120, 196/195, 245/243, 275/273&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 12 | 0 5 7 9 6 6 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.728&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.036128&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==== 17-limit ====&lt;br /&gt;
Subgroup: 2.3.5.7.11.13.17&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Comma list: 121/120, 154/153, 170/169, 196/195, 245/243&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Mapping: {{mapping| 4 4 6 7 11 12 14 | 0 5 7 9 6 6 5 }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Optimal tuning (POTE): ~25/21 = 1\4, ~13/12 = 140.718&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Optimal ET sequence|legend=1| 8d, 60e, 68, 128e }}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Badness: 0.024796&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Temperament families]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fifive family| ]] &amp;lt;!-- main article --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Fifive| ]] &amp;lt;!-- key article --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Rank 2]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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