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		<title>Frostburn at 07:16, 8 February 2024</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 07:16, 8 February 2024&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l19&quot;&gt;Line 19:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now we can treat the exponents as a lens-linear vector L{{monzo | u⁻¹, v⁻¹, w⁻¹}}. (Again using the primes as the basis.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Now we can treat the exponents as a lens-linear vector L{{monzo | u⁻¹, v⁻¹, w⁻¹}}. (Again using the primes as the basis.)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;−&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For now the point is that the lens-vals corresponding to these lens-monzos better capture the fact that they correspond maps of fractions of equal temperaments. E.g. L5edo &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\oplus&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; L7edo = L12edo&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;For now the point is that the lens-vals corresponding to these lens-monzos better capture the fact that they correspond &lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;to &lt;/ins&gt;maps of fractions of equal temperaments. E.g. L5edo &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\oplus&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; L7edo = L12edo&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{5}, \frac{1}{8}, \frac{1}{12} \right ] \oplus \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{7}, \frac{1}{11}, \frac{1}{16} \right ] = \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{12}, \frac{1}{19}, \frac{1}{28} \right ]&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{5}, \frac{1}{8}, \frac{1}{12} \right ] \oplus \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{7}, \frac{1}{11}, \frac{1}{16} \right ] = \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{12}, \frac{1}{19}, \frac{1}{28} \right ]&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Frostburn: Define lens-monzos and lens-vals.</title>
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		<updated>2024-02-08T07:04:13Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Define lens-monzos and lens-vals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Monzos can be seen to arise from the properties of the logarithm of a fixed base&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\log_b (x^u y^v z^w) = u\log_b x + v\log_b y + w\log_b z&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Allowing us to treat the exponents as a linear vector {{monzo | u, v, w}}. (Using the primes x = 2, y = 3, z = 5, etc. as the basis.)&lt;br /&gt;
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A similar situation happens with the logarithm of a fixed argument&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;log_{x^u y^v z^w}(a) = u^{-1}\log_x a \oplus v^{-1}\log_y a \oplus w^{-1}\log_z a&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;,&lt;br /&gt;
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where lens addition &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\oplus&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; is inspired by the [[Wikipedia:Thin lens|thin lens equation]] f⁻¹ = u⁻¹ + v⁻¹&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;f = u \oplus v&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Corresponding lens subtraction &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\ominus&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; follows from the same equation&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;u = f \ominus v&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now we can treat the exponents as a lens-linear vector L{{monzo | u⁻¹, v⁻¹, w⁻¹}}. (Again using the primes as the basis.)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For now the point is that the lens-vals corresponding to these lens-monzos better capture the fact that they correspond maps of fractions of equal temperaments. E.g. L5edo &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\oplus&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; L7edo = L12edo&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{5}, \frac{1}{8}, \frac{1}{12} \right ] \oplus \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{7}, \frac{1}{11}, \frac{1}{16} \right ] = \mathrm{L}\left \langle \frac{1}{12}, \frac{1}{19}, \frac{1}{28} \right ]&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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