Temperament naming - Revision history

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	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns, known as ''declensions''.

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	== Temperament name examples ==		== Temperament name examples ==
			{{Note\| This is a closed list. Please explain temperament names in the temperament's dedicated article or catalog page. }}

	; [[Alphatricot]]		; [[Alphatricot]]
	: Origin: Paul Erlich (2002)		: Origin: Paul Erlich (2002)

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	; [[Whitewood]]		; [[Whitewood]]
	: Origin: Mike Battaglia (2010)~~<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_95296.html Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''7&14 temperament - 14 out of 35'']</ref>~~		: Origin: Mike Battaglia (2010)
	: Meaning: Black keys are to Blackwood as white keys are to Whitewood.		: Meaning: Black keys are to Blackwood as white keys are to Whitewood. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.

	; [[Würschmidt]]		; [[Würschmidt]]

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	; [[Keemun]]		; [[Keemun]]
	: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)		: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)
	: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it. ~~See~~ the temperament's ~~dedicated page for sources~~.		: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it.
	~~: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style=~~"~~font-family:SimSun~~"~~>祁门红茶</span>; traditional~~ Chinese~~: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a~~ black ~~Chinese~~ tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. ~~It was given~~ this name ~~in Paul Erlich~~'s ~~Middle Path paper on~~ the ~~suggestion~~ of ~~Herman "Teamouse" Miller~~, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ~~the name~~ ''kleismic'' also.		: This temperament was discovered by [[Dave Keenan]], so an earlier proposed name was ''keenan''. As he did for the comma now known as the [[Keenanisma #Etymology\|''keenanisma'']], Dave Keenan resisted the temperament being named after him, and preferred descriptive names to eponymous ones because they would be more useful. Unfortunately, by the time Dave's preference reached [[Paul Erlich]], Paul had already begun to use the name ''keenan'' in a series of diagrams, and so renaming it to something descriptive such as ''minorthirds'' at this point would require an inordinate amount of reordering busywork. Due to this, the effort to rename the temperament continued, but with the additional constraint that the name could not alter its alphabetical ordering with respect to its nearest neighboring temperaments in Paul's diagrams. The name chosen in the end, ''keemun'', was suggested by [[Herman Miller\|Herman "Teamouse" Miller]] as a reference to {{w\|Keemun}}, a Chinese black tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea.
			: Although this name did not satisfy Dave's request for descriptiveness, it fulfilled the ultimate goal of distinguishing itself from the name ''kleismic'', thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ''kleismic'' also. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.

	; [[Mabila]]		; [[Mabila]]

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	; [[Keemun]]		; [[Keemun]]
	: Origin: Herman Miller (~~2008~~)		: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)
	: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it.		: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.
	: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁门红茶</span>; traditional Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a black Chinese tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. It was given this name in Paul Erlich's Middle Path paper on the suggestion of Herman "Teamouse" Miller, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by the name ''kleismic'' also.		: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁门红茶</span>; traditional Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a black Chinese tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. It was given this name in Paul Erlich's Middle Path paper on the suggestion of Herman "Teamouse" Miller, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by the name ''kleismic'' also.

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Grammar

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	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below is tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.

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	Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.		Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.

	~~==== Comma name and temperament name ====~~
	With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament that tempers out the comma alone and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.

	==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====		==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====
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	* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, none of them is canonical;		* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, none of them is canonical;
	* [[Weak extension]]s are never canonical since their structures are very different.		* [[Weak extension]]s are never canonical since their structures are very different.

			==== Use of a related pair of names for a comma and its associated temperament ====
			With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament that tempers out the comma alone and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.

	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====

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	== Temperament and comma naming conventions ==		== Temperament and comma naming conventions ==
	=== State of the art ===		=== State of the art ===
	~~There was,~~ in ~~general~~, ~~not~~ a ~~hard rule~~ of ~~naming temperaments~~, ~~but examples to follow~~. ~~In 2004,~~ [~~[Gene Ward Smith~~]~~] outlined a number of examples for reference: [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup~~.~~github~~.~~io/tuning-math/topicId_10667~~.~~html ''Some naming examples'']. In 2012, [[Ryan Avella]] abstracted a~~ convention of naming temperaments: [https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_105566.html ''Naming Convention Suggestion'']. The main takeaway from the threads is that a name should be a common noun (thus written in lowercase), ideally consisting of a single word. This contrasts a scale in a temperament, e.g. machine vs Machine[6].		A temperament name should be a common noun (thus written in lowercase), ideally consisting of a single word. This contrasts scales of a temperament, e.g. Machine[6], as well as concrete scales, e.g. Centaur. This convention of naming temperaments was first proposed in 2012<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_105566.html Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Naming Convention Suggestion'']</ref>.

	Below are ~~documented~~ some notable features of naming which might be confusing to beginners of RTT.		Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.

	==== Comma name and temperament name ====		==== Comma name and temperament name ====
	With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.		With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament that tempers out the comma alone and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.

	==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====		==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====
	A name can be shared by a temperament as well as its [[strong extension]]s. For example, meantone was defined in the 5-, 7-, and 11-limit, each temperament in the higher limit being a strong extension to the ones in the lower limit. The reason is sometimes you get the higher-limit intervals "for free" when using the lower-limit temperament, so the ~~following notes should be taken~~:		A name can be shared by a temperament as well as its [[strong extension]]s. For example, meantone was defined in the 5-, 7-, and 11-limit, each temperament in the higher limit being a strong extension to the ones in the lower limit. The reason is sometimes you get the higher-limit intervals "for free" when using the lower-limit temperament, in which case we consider extending the temperament this way the ''canonical extension''. Whether an extension is canonical or not depends on a lot of factors, but in general:
	* Only the best and most obvious extension ~~may share the original temperament's name.~~		* Only the best and most obvious extension is canonical;
	* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, ~~each should get a distinct name.~~		* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, none of them is canonical;
	* [[Weak extension]]s ~~should~~ never ~~share the original temperament's name~~ since their structures are very different.		* [[Weak extension]]s are never canonical since their structures are very different.

	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named:		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below is tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.
	* If a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal prime subgroup containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". A comma page should ideally always include a mention of both ~~of those~~ temperaments. The temperaments and obvious and/or strong extensions may be discussed either there or on linked-to dedicated pages.
	* It is also valid to use "''X''-sma" instead of ''X''-isma and "''X''-smic" instead of ''X''-ismic, with ''X''-ic being unchanged, but ''X''-isma is more common as it is often less awkward to pronounce and spell.		{\| class="wikitable center-all" style="margin: auto;"
			\|+ Comma–temperament name patterns
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			! # !! Short name !! Prime-limit temp. !! Prime-subgroup temp. !! Long name
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			\| 0 \|\| -sma \|\| -smic \|\| -∅ \|\| -∅ comma
			\|-
			\| 1 \|\| -isma \|\| -ismic \|\| -ic \|\| -ic comma
			\|-
			\| 2 \|\| -ia \|\| -ic \|\| -ian \|\| -ic comma
			\|-
			\| 3 \|\| -on \|\| -onic \|\| -y \|\| -y comma
			\|}

			A comma page should ideally always include a mention of both the minimal-prime-subgroup and full-prime-limit temperaments. The temperaments and obvious and/or strong extensions may be discussed either there or on linked-to dedicated pages.

	=== Contemporary rules ===		=== Contemporary rules ===
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	* The previous name is fairly new (within the last year).		* The previous name is fairly new (within the last year).

	Therefore, if one finds oneself at an impasse, refer to this work in progress section and see how many bullet points are in favour of a name or rename. With that said~~...~~		Therefore, if one finds oneself at an impasse, refer to this work in progress section and see how many bullet points are in favour of a name or rename. With that said, every rename proposal must have at least one ''strong reason''. The only time it is acceptable for it not to is if the previous name has very little or no usage and the rename does not cause friction (e.g. the recent proposer wants to change the name and there are no objections).

	~~Every~~ rename proposal must have at least one ''strong reason''. The only time it is acceptable for it not to is if the previous name has very little or no usage and the rename does not cause friction (e.g. the recent proposer wants to change the name and there are no objections).

	If there are external references (outside of the wiki) beyond the mere proposal of the name, previous names may stay on the wiki for historical purposes, but should be moved out of the "spotlights" (lead section, infobox, etc.) to avoid the potential interpretation that these names are equally common/standard. It is important to note however that ''if'' there is nothing particularly wrong with the old name, then it is ''standard and common'' to let the old name coexist with the new name with the spirit that people can use whatever name they prefer.		If there are external references (outside of the wiki) beyond the mere proposal of the name, previous names may stay on the wiki for historical purposes, but should be moved out of the spotlights (lead section, infobox, etc.) to avoid the potential interpretation that these names are equally common/standard. It is important to note however that ''if'' there is nothing particularly wrong with the old name, then it is ''standard and common'' to let the old name coexist with the new name with the spirit that people can use whatever name they prefer.

	If, however, a name has received enough usage outside the wiki that a rename would be ''significantly'' inconvenient and confusing and/or if there is a very large amount of usage on the wiki so that many people may have seen and remembered the previous name, the previous name should be mentioned in passing towards the beginning of the page for clarity/to avoid confusion and for historical purposes. The only exception to this rule is if the name is NSFW, in which case it should be at the very least moved out of the spotlights if not removed entirely.		If, however, a name has received enough usage outside the wiki that a rename would be ''significantly'' inconvenient and confusing and/or if there is a very large amount of usage on the wiki so that many people may have seen and remembered the previous name, the previous name should be mentioned in passing towards the beginning of the page for clarity / to avoid confusion and for historical purposes. The only exception to this rule is if the name is NSFW, in which case it should be at the very least moved out of the spotlights if not removed entirely.

	This summary of conventions aims to be comprehensive but not exhaustive. Minor reasons may be included if they are abstract in nature rather than overly specific in application.		This summary of conventions aims to be comprehensive but not exhaustive. Minor reasons may be included if they are abstract in nature rather than overly specific in application.
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	* [[Acronyms]]		* [[Acronyms]]

	== ~~Notes~~ ==		== References ==

	[[Category:Temperament naming\| ]] <!-- main article -->		[[Category:Temperament naming\| ]] <!-- main article -->

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	; [[Jamesbond]]		; [[Jamesbond]]
	: Named from the fact that the wedgie is {{multival\| 0 0 7 … }}		: Named from the fact that, because it shares the 5-limit of 7et and maps 7 to one generator, the wedgie is {{multival\| 0 0 7 … }}

	; [[Keemun]]		; [[Keemun]]

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	==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====		==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====
	A name can be shared by a temperament as well as its [[strong extension]]s. For example, meantone was defined in the 5-, 7-, 11~~- and 13~~-limit, each temperament in the higher limit being a strong extension to the ones in the lower limit. The reason is sometimes you get the higher-limit intervals "for free" when using the lower-limit temperament, so the following notes should be taken:		A name can be shared by a temperament as well as its [[strong extension]]s. For example, meantone was defined in the 5-, 7-, and 11-limit, each temperament in the higher limit being a strong extension to the ones in the lower limit. The reason is sometimes you get the higher-limit intervals "for free" when using the lower-limit temperament, so the following notes should be taken:
	* Only the best and most obvious extension may share the original temperament's name.		* Only the best and most obvious extension may share the original temperament's name.
	* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, each should get a distinct name.		* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, each should get a distinct name.
	* [[Weak extension]]s should never share the original temperament's name since their structures are very different.		* [[Weak extension]]s should never share the original temperament's name since their structures are very different.

	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====