Temperament naming - Revision history

FloraC: /* Temperament and comma naming conventions */ + nominalized adjective to noun

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	== Temperament and comma naming conventions ==		== Temperament and comma naming conventions ==
	=== State of the art ===		=== State of the art ===
	A temperament name should be a common noun (thus written in lowercase), ideally consisting of a single word. This contrasts scales of a temperament, e.g. Machine[6], as well as concrete scales, e.g. Centaur. This convention of naming temperaments was first proposed in 2012<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_105566.html Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Naming Convention Suggestion'']</ref>.		A temperament name should be a common noun or {{w\|nominalized adjective}} (thus written in lowercase), ideally consisting of a single word. This contrasts scales of a temperament, e.g. Machine[6], as well as concrete scales, e.g. Centaur. This convention of naming temperaments was first proposed in 2012<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_105566.html Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''Naming Convention Suggestion'']</ref>.

	Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.		Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.

FloraC: /* Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments */ -on -> -ton; simplify the description a little

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Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments: -on -> -ton; simplify the description a little

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	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma ~~is named the "~~''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out ~~the ''X''-isma~~ in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should ~~be named "~~''X''~~-ic"~~ and the temperament which tempers out the ~~''X''-isma~~ in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should ~~be named "~~''X-''~~ismic"~~. However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns, known as ''declensions''.		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma's name ends in ''-isma'', then the temperament which tempers out this comma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should end in ''-ic'' and the temperament which tempers out the this comma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should end in ''-ismic''. However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns, known as ''declensions''.

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	\| 2 \|\| -ia \|\| -ic \|\| -ian \|\| -ic comma		\| 2 \|\| -ia \|\| -ic \|\| -ian \|\| -ic comma
	\|-		\|-
	\| 3 \|\| -on \|\| -~~onic~~ \|\| -y \|\| -y comma		\| 3 \|\| -ton \|\| -tonic \|\| -ty \|\| -ty comma
	\|}		\|}

	A comma page should ideally always include a mention of both the minimal-prime-subgroup and full-prime-limit temperaments. The temperaments and obvious and/or strong extensions may be discussed either there or on linked-to dedicated pages.		A comma page should ideally always include a mention of both the minimal-prime-subgroup and full-prime-limit temperaments. The temperaments and obvious and/or strong extensions may be discussed either there or on linked-to dedicated pages.

	=== Contemporary rules ===		=== Contemporary rules ===

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2026-06-18T19:49:19Z

Put editorial contents in notes

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	This summary of conventions aims to be comprehensive but not exhaustive. Minor reasons may be included if they are abstract in nature rather than overly specific in application.		This summary of conventions aims to be comprehensive but not exhaustive. Minor reasons may be included if they are abstract in nature rather than overly specific in application.

	If you feel something is missing that many would agree on being added and which you do not believe would be controversial to add, please add it. If you feel something should be added but are unsure about how it may be taken, please take to this page's [[Talk:Temperament naming\|talk page]], add your reasonings/arguments and await responses and some form of consensus first. Be patient, this full process may take weeks! And as always, do your best to remain objective, professional and respectful.		{{Note\| If you feel something is missing that many would agree on being added and which you do not believe would be controversial to add, please add it. If you feel something should be added but are unsure about how it may be taken, please take to this page's [[Talk:Temperament naming\|talk page]], add your reasonings/arguments and await responses and some form of consensus first. Be patient, this full process may take weeks! And as always, do your best to remain objective, professional and respectful. }}

	== Temperament name examples ==		== Temperament name examples ==

FloraC at 08:26, 8 June 2026

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	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns, known as ''declensions''.

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FloraC: /* Temperament name examples */ + note on this list

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Temperament name examples: + note on this list

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	== Temperament name examples ==		== Temperament name examples ==
			{{Note\| This is a closed list. Please explain temperament names in the temperament's dedicated article or catalog page. }}

	; [[Alphatricot]]		; [[Alphatricot]]
	: Origin: Paul Erlich (2002)		: Origin: Paul Erlich (2002)

FloraC: /* Temperament name examples */ source for whitewood is moved to the dedicated page

2026-04-30T09:14:31Z

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	; [[Whitewood]]		; [[Whitewood]]
	: Origin: Mike Battaglia (2010)~~<ref>[https://yahootuninggroupsultimatebackup.github.io/tuning/topicId_95296.html Yahoo! Tuning Group \| ''7&14 temperament - 14 out of 35'']</ref>~~		: Origin: Mike Battaglia (2010)
	: Meaning: Black keys are to Blackwood as white keys are to Whitewood.		: Meaning: Black keys are to Blackwood as white keys are to Whitewood. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.

	; [[Würschmidt]]		; [[Würschmidt]]

FloraC: /* Temperament name examples */ move the naming history for keemun here

2026-03-27T09:52:45Z

Temperament name examples: move the naming history for keemun here

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	; [[Keemun]]		; [[Keemun]]
	: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)		: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)
	: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it. ~~See~~ the temperament's ~~dedicated page for sources~~.		: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it.
	~~: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style=~~"~~font-family:SimSun~~"~~>祁门红茶</span>; traditional~~ Chinese~~: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a~~ black ~~Chinese~~ tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. ~~It was given~~ this name ~~in Paul Erlich~~'s ~~Middle Path paper on~~ the ~~suggestion~~ of ~~Herman "Teamouse" Miller~~, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ~~the name~~ ''kleismic'' also.		: This temperament was discovered by [[Dave Keenan]], so an earlier proposed name was ''keenan''. As he did for the comma now known as the [[Keenanisma #Etymology\|''keenanisma'']], Dave Keenan resisted the temperament being named after him, and preferred descriptive names to eponymous ones because they would be more useful. Unfortunately, by the time Dave's preference reached [[Paul Erlich]], Paul had already begun to use the name ''keenan'' in a series of diagrams, and so renaming it to something descriptive such as ''minorthirds'' at this point would require an inordinate amount of reordering busywork. Due to this, the effort to rename the temperament continued, but with the additional constraint that the name could not alter its alphabetical ordering with respect to its nearest neighboring temperaments in Paul's diagrams. The name chosen in the end, ''keemun'', was suggested by [[Herman Miller\|Herman "Teamouse" Miller]] as a reference to {{w\|Keemun}}, a Chinese black tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea.
			: Although this name did not satisfy Dave's request for descriptiveness, it fulfilled the ultimate goal of distinguishing itself from the name ''kleismic'', thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by ''kleismic'' also. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.

	; [[Mabila]]		; [[Mabila]]

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2026-03-27T09:37:42Z

Temperament name examples: update

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	; [[Keemun]]		; [[Keemun]]
	: Origin: Herman Miller (~~2008~~)		: Origin: Herman Miller (2006)
	: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it.		: Meaning: Name of a variety of tea which could fit into the same space as "keenan" and replace it. See the temperament's dedicated page for sources.
	: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁门红茶</span>; traditional Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a black Chinese tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. It was given this name in Paul Erlich's Middle Path paper on the suggestion of Herman "Teamouse" Miller, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by the name ''kleismic'' also.		: Keemun (simplified Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁门红茶</span>; traditional Chinese: <span style="font-family:SimSun">祁門紅茶</span>; pinyin: qímén hóngchá; literally "Qimen red tea") is a black Chinese tea with a winey and fruity taste, designated as a China Famous Tea. It was given this name in Paul Erlich's Middle Path paper on the suggestion of Herman "Teamouse" Miller, thereby ending the unfortunate practice of calling this temperament, a 7-limit extension of hanson with a much lower accuracy, by the name ''kleismic'' also.

FloraC: Grammar

2026-03-23T10:47:09Z

Grammar

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	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====
	It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below is tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.		It is often useful to investigate the implied full-prime-limit temperament as well as the subgroup temperaments for a comma, especially in the higher limits where there is a shift of interest towards the subgroups. The following practice was established around 2022–2023 when many higher-limit commas were getting named: if a comma is named the "''X''-isma", then the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime subgroup]] containing that comma should be named "''X''-ic" and the temperament which tempers out the ''X''-isma in the minimal [[prime limit]] containing that comma should be named "''X-''ismic". However, that was not the only pattern in use. Below are tabulated all the widely observed and established patterns.

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FloraC: Re-organize

2026-03-23T10:46:33Z

Re-organize

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	Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.		Below are explained some notable features of naming which might otherwise be confusing to beginners of RTT.

	~~==== Comma name and temperament name ====~~
	With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament that tempers out the comma alone and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.

	==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====		==== Use of a name for a temperament and its extensions ====
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	* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, none of them is canonical;		* If a temperament does not have an obvious extension, or has multiple competing extensions, none of them is canonical;
	* [[Weak extension]]s are never canonical since their structures are very different.		* [[Weak extension]]s are never canonical since their structures are very different.

			==== Use of a related pair of names for a comma and its associated temperament ====
			With a few exceptions, a name of a comma implies an eponymous temperament that tempers out the comma alone and vice versa, in which case we consider it an official common name. A description, or descriptive name, is an alternative, typically longer, term that conveys some additional information at the cost of lacking in uniqueness. For example, 225/224 is named the ''marvel comma'', and tempering it out results in the marvel temperament. Meanwhile, it has a descriptive name ''septimal kleisma'' that perhaps dates back to earlier times.

	==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====		==== Use of a related pair of names for prime-limit and subgroup temperaments ====