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	~~'''All discussion below is archived from the Wikispaces export in its original unaltered form.'''~~
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	~~== Edited ==~~
	Okay, after hanging out with Carl and Keenan IRL, I've decided to revise my hatchet piece on microtonality. I've retracted the generalizations and replaced them with "I" statements. Hopefully these seem less objectionable and more valid to y'all.

	~~- '''igliashon''' December 19, 2012, 04:21:14 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~Hi Igliashon.~~

	~~Now you wrote a better text.~~

	~~"1. Microtonality never "clicked" for me"~~

	~~Yeah, that was the first problem.~~

	~~I think it's a wrong reason when the guy wants to be a microtonal musician only to be against 12tet.~~

	~~First he "need" to enjoy listening microtonal music, and second, if he thinks it's worth to try, why not?~~

	~~I know people who only play 12tet music, and they love to hear microtonal music, but they don't want to play microtonal music, cuz they think they don't have the ability to do so.~~

	~~"2. I never found the "right" tuning"~~

	~~I think you are wrong in some way, cuz you find the "right" tuning for you: the 12tet.~~

	~~"3. My obsession was unhealthy"~~

	~~We always got hurt when something becomes an obsession.~~

	~~You were radical against 12tet, so don't become radical against microtonality.~~

	You wrote on the other text: "Microtonality can become a wall between you and the rest of the musical world. And that is a terrible loss", and now you wrote: "Worse, I used it to build a wall between myself and the "regular" music world."

	So, think about this: Don't build a wall against microtonal "community", if some of you're microtonalists friends offers you to play with them. Play with your 12tet guitar and let them play with their chosen tuning.

	~~Always think about the music, only the music.~~

	~~I wish the best for you, musically and personally.~~

	~~I don't know if you read my counter argument, but anyway, I wrote only to show that you needed to rethink about the text, it wasn't personal.~~

	~~- '''Carlos_Augusto_Scalassara_Prando''' December 20, 2012, 09:27:06 AM UTC-0800~~
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	~~== I dare you ==~~
	I dare you to link this on the main page. If anyone in this community actually has the spine to acknowledge the truth in what I say, I will be shocked. I suspect this page will be deleted within hours, but I hope at least someone in the community is willing to acknowledge that microtonality requires sacrifice, and that the community indeed has a dark side.

	~~- '''igliashon''' December 11, 2012, 09:43:40 AM UTC-0800~~
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	~~I linked it to the main page. the only person I know in the community who actually had half of these views is you anyway~~

	~~- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 11:17:42 AM UTC-0800~~
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	~~Actually these views are fairly common, and have been rehashed many times by authors including Brian McLaren, XJ Scott, Dan Stearns, Jacky Ligon, etc.~~

	~~- '''clumma''' December 11, 2012, 01:32:57 PM UTC-0800~~
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	You misinterpreted my post. The views expressed in Igs' post are common, exceedingly so, and I agree with much of them. I'm saying that I don't know many people who don't share those views to some extent. The "views" I was saying that people don't have are the naive views that Igs is railing against in his post.

	~~- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 01:37:24 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~Ah, sorry.~~

	~~- '''clumma''' December 11, 2012, 01:42:00 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~I think much of what Igs says is wrong, and some of it is meaningless.~~

	~~- '''genewardsmith''' December 11, 2012, 08:41:40 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~"...but I hope at least someone in the community is willing to acknowledge that microtonality requires sacrifice..."~~

	~~That is part of the reason I enjoy microtonality.~~

	~~When I write an awesome composition in 12-EDO, I do not take much pride in it because I knew it took me zero effort.~~

	~~On the contrary, writing a good microtonal composition is challenging, but I am always proud of the result.~~

	~~- '''Sarzadoce''' December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 PM UTC-0800~~
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	~~Just saw this~~

	~~"Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure."~~

	~~Gee, I guess I should have been less modest in that thread then.~~

	~~- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 09:31:54 PM UTC-0800~~
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	If counter-arguments are allowed to be posted, then I'm going to go ahead and add one to the "why microtonality?" article. Either my op-ed piece gets to stand on its own, or no op-ed pieces get to stand on their own.

	~~- '''igliashon''' December 16, 2012, 08:00:11 PM UTC-0800~~
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= ARCHIVED WIKISPACES DISCUSSION BELOW =
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== Edited ==
Okay, after hanging out with Carl and Keenan IRL, I've decided to revise my hatchet piece on microtonality. I've retracted the generalizations and replaced them with "I" statements. Hopefully these seem less objectionable and more valid to y'all.

- '''igliashon''' December 19, 2012, 04:21:14 PM UTC-0800
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Hi Igliashon.

Now you wrote a better text.

"1. Microtonality never "clicked" for me"

Yeah, that was the first problem.

I think it's a wrong reason when the guy wants to be a microtonal musician only to be against 12tet.

First he "need" to enjoy listening microtonal music, and second, if he thinks it's worth to try, why not?

I know people who only play 12tet music, and they love to hear microtonal music, but they don't want to play microtonal music, cuz they think they don't have the ability to do so.

"2. I never found the "right" tuning"

I think you are wrong in some way, cuz you find the "right" tuning for you: the 12tet.

"3. My obsession was unhealthy"

We always got hurt when something becomes an obsession.

You were radical against 12tet, so don't become radical against microtonality.

You wrote on the other text: "Microtonality can become a wall between you and the rest of the musical world. And that is a terrible loss", and now you wrote: "Worse, I used it to build a wall between myself and the "regular" music world."

So, think about this: Don't build a wall against microtonal "community", if some of you're microtonalists friends offers you to play with them. Play with your 12tet guitar and let them play with their chosen tuning.

Always think about the music, only the music.

I wish the best for you, musically and personally.

I don't know if you read my counter argument, but anyway, I wrote only to show that you needed to rethink about the text, it wasn't personal.

- '''Carlos_Augusto_Scalassara_Prando''' December 20, 2012, 09:27:06 AM UTC-0800
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== I dare you ==
I dare you to link this on the main page. If anyone in this community actually has the spine to acknowledge the truth in what I say, I will be shocked. I suspect this page will be deleted within hours, but I hope at least someone in the community is willing to acknowledge that microtonality requires sacrifice, and that the community indeed has a dark side.

- '''igliashon''' December 11, 2012, 09:43:40 AM UTC-0800
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I linked it to the main page. the only person I know in the community who actually had half of these views is you anyway

- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 11:17:42 AM UTC-0800
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Actually these views are fairly common, and have been rehashed many times by authors including Brian McLaren, XJ Scott, Dan Stearns, Jacky Ligon, etc.

- '''clumma''' December 11, 2012, 01:32:57 PM UTC-0800
----
You misinterpreted my post. The views expressed in Igs' post are common, exceedingly so, and I agree with much of them. I'm saying that I don't know many people who don't share those views to some extent. The "views" I was saying that people don't have are the naive views that Igs is railing against in his post.

- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 01:37:24 PM UTC-0800
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Ah, sorry.

- '''clumma''' December 11, 2012, 01:42:00 PM UTC-0800
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I think much of what Igs says is wrong, and some of it is meaningless.

- '''genewardsmith''' December 11, 2012, 08:41:40 PM UTC-0800
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"...but I hope at least someone in the community is willing to acknowledge that microtonality requires sacrifice..."

That is part of the reason I enjoy microtonality.

When I write an awesome composition in 12-EDO, I do not take much pride in it because I knew it took me *zero* effort.

On the contrary, writing a good microtonal composition is challenging, but I am always proud of the result.

- '''Sarzadoce''' December 11, 2012, 09:22:53 PM UTC-0800
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Just saw this

"Even within the community of microtonalists, it is exceedingly rare to find someone who can identify a tuning by ear, even after years of exposure."

Gee, I guess I should have been less modest in that thread then.

- '''mbattaglia1''' December 11, 2012, 09:31:54 PM UTC-0800
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If counter-arguments are allowed to be posted, then I'm going to go ahead and add one to the "why microtonality?" article. Either my op-ed piece gets to stand on its own, or no op-ed pieces get to stand on their own.

- '''igliashon''' December 16, 2012, 08:00:11 PM UTC-0800
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