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			== Relative cent problem ==

			The article [[User:Moremajorthanmajor/Relative cent problem]] (moved there from [[Relative cent/Problem]]) tried to show a problem of the concept, but obviously missed the point. I'll try to clarify that. The relative cent is the division of ''one EDO step'' into 100 equal parts, it is ''not'' the division of the octave. I hope this helps. If not, please let me know! --[[User:Xenwolf\|Xenwolf]] ([[User talk:Xenwolf\|talk]]) 15:01, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

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	~~'''All discussion below is archived from the Wikispaces export in its original unaltered form.'''~~
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	~~== millioctave ==~~
	~~The millioctave should better not be considered as an example of a relative cent measure.~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' September 21, 2011, 11:19:23 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~It makes just as much sense as Turk cents, doesn't it?~~

	~~- '''genewardsmith''' September 22, 2011, 03:00:36 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~No. I think that the special meaning of the octave is widely accepted,~~

	~~also in xenharmonic context (The existence of terms like nonoctave and~~

	~~edonoi seem to confirm this). The dominance of the decimal system needs~~

	~~no discussion here, it's of course used in cent values etc.~~

	~~Millioctaves are scaled binary logarithms and can therefore be~~

	~~"calculated" easily by shifting the decimal point.~~

	~~The fact that millioctaves are not used is another matter entirely.~~

	~~I'd prefer not to mix non-cent interval measures with relative cents (rc),~~

	~~because rc are also usable for an easy comparison of the usability of~~

	~~edos for a given just interval, which is not the case for millioctaves.~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' September 23, 2011, 02:37:14 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~I do not see the point. Mathematically, a millioctave is exactly the same as a relative cent for 10edo.~~

	~~- '''hstraub''' September 23, 2011, 05:31:31 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~Absolutely, the size of the relative cent in 10-edo is <strong>exactly</strong> 1 millioctave.~~

	~~But: Mostly it's not the numerical value of an object that governs which word we use for it, but the context in which it is used.~~

	~~In programming, you'll seldom use~~

	~~#define TWO 2~~

	~~In every-day life you'll rarely name tools after their price.~~

	~~Granted, there are exceptions:~~

	~~I think of these occasions where you choose Books by weight (for pressing plant parts), or by thickness (as cabinet leg replacement) ;)~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' September 23, 2011, 08:39:50 AM UTC-0700~~
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	~~== Origin of term relative cents ==~~
	~~This was proposed some years back.~~

	~~- '''genewardsmith''' May 26, 2011, 04:46:44 PM UTC-0700~~
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	~~Sorry, I didn't know that. It was before my time here.~~

	~~- '''xenwolf''' May 27, 2011, 12:19:26 AM UTC-0700~~
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= ARCHIVED WIKISPACES DISCUSSION BELOW =
'''All discussion below is archived from the Wikispaces export in its original unaltered form.'''
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== millioctave ==
The millioctave should better not be considered as an example of a relative cent measure.

- '''xenwolf''' September 21, 2011, 11:19:23 PM UTC-0700
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It makes just as much sense as Turk cents, doesn't it?

- '''genewardsmith''' September 22, 2011, 03:00:36 AM UTC-0700
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No. I think that the special meaning of the octave is widely accepted,

also in xenharmonic context (The existence of terms like nonoctave and

edonoi seem to confirm this). The dominance of the decimal system needs

no discussion here, it's of course used in cent values etc.

Millioctaves are scaled binary logarithms and can therefore be

"calculated" easily by shifting the decimal point.

The fact that millioctaves are not used is another matter entirely.

I'd prefer not to mix non-cent interval measures with relative cents (rc),

because rc are also usable for an easy comparison of the usability of

edos for a given just interval, which is not the case for millioctaves.

- '''xenwolf''' September 23, 2011, 02:37:14 AM UTC-0700
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I do not see the point. Mathematically, a millioctave is exactly the same as a relative cent for 10edo.

- '''hstraub''' September 23, 2011, 05:31:31 AM UTC-0700
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Absolutely, the size of the relative cent in 10-edo is <strong>exactly</strong> 1 millioctave.

But: Mostly it's not the numerical value of an object that governs which word we use for it, but the context in which it is used.

In programming, you'll seldom use

#define TWO 2

In every-day life you'll rarely name tools after their price.

Granted, there are exceptions:

I think of these occasions where you choose Books by weight (for pressing plant parts), or by thickness (as cabinet leg replacement) ;)

- '''xenwolf''' September 23, 2011, 08:39:50 AM UTC-0700
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== Origin of term relative cents ==
This was proposed some years back.

- '''genewardsmith''' May 26, 2011, 04:46:44 PM UTC-0700
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Sorry, I didn't know that. It was before my time here.

- '''xenwolf''' May 27, 2011, 12:19:26 AM UTC-0700
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