Talk:Patent val/Properties - Revision history

Cmloegcmluin: /* Page is only about GPVs? */

2021-11-18T18:21:58Z

Page is only about GPVs?

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	:::: I suppose. But if we branch RTT partially on a terminological basis and then Dave and I use "uniform map" on our branch, that would force a new page anyway because we think of things the opposite way, with "integer uniform maps" ("patent vals") being a specific type of "uniform maps" ("generalized patent vals"). This is as I proposed here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Talk:Patent_val#alternative_proposal:_add_new_page_for_uniform_map. If we break the pages up, that changes the hierarchization so that it's not within a page but across a page, so that both ways of approaching the concept can be realized straightforwardly. Anyway, so perhaps we just revisit this issue once I send the survey out to the community about RTT branching and get the results back. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 22:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		:::: I suppose. But if we branch RTT partially on a terminological basis and then Dave and I use "uniform map" on our branch, that would force a new page anyway because we think of things the opposite way, with "integer uniform maps" ("patent vals") being a specific type of "uniform maps" ("generalized patent vals"). This is as I proposed here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Talk:Patent_val#alternative_proposal:_add_new_page_for_uniform_map. If we break the pages up, that changes the hierarchization so that it's not within a page but across a page, so that both ways of approaching the concept can be realized straightforwardly. Anyway, so perhaps we just revisit this issue once I send the survey out to the community about RTT branching and get the results back. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 22:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			::::: Alright, per discussion [[Talk:Patent_val#Thoughts_on_changing_.22patent_val.2C.22_and_other_terminology_changes_in_general\|here]], I will not be allowed to add "uniform map" to the "patent val" page, so the way forward for our conceptualization of this problem will be a new page covering uniform map, integer uniform map, and simple map. I suppose I have nothing further to say here about this page. Except perhaps that it might be slightly less confusing if in the introduction, it was clearer that this is still the place to discuss properties of "patent val", though at this time there is only discussion of properties of GPVs. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 18:21, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: /* Page is only about GPVs? */

2021-11-08T22:08:46Z

Page is only about GPVs?

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	::: I don't know. For fear of fragmentation? The two concepts are so closely related that it seems favorable to bundle them together. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		::: I don't know. For fear of fragmentation? The two concepts are so closely related that it seems favorable to bundle them together. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			:::: I suppose. But if we branch RTT partially on a terminological basis and then Dave and I use "uniform map" on our branch, that would force a new page anyway because we think of things the opposite way, with "integer uniform maps" ("patent vals") being a specific type of "uniform maps" ("generalized patent vals"). This is as I proposed here: https://en.xen.wiki/w/Talk:Patent_val#alternative_proposal:_add_new_page_for_uniform_map. If we break the pages up, that changes the hierarchization so that it's not within a page but across a page, so that both ways of approaching the concept can be realized straightforwardly. Anyway, so perhaps we just revisit this issue once I send the survey out to the community about RTT branching and get the results back. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 22:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: re

2021-11-08T21:34:54Z

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	= ~~consolidate~~ page =		== Consolidate page ==

	I don't think this page makes sense to be separate from the other information on "generalized patent vals".		I don't think this page makes sense to be separate from the other information on "generalized patent vals".
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	:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)		:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

	= Page is only about GPVs? =		== Page is only about GPVs? ==

	Shouldn't this page actually be "Generalized patent val/Properties", since it's only about GPVs?		Shouldn't this page actually be "Generalized patent val/Properties", since it's only about GPVs?
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	:: Well, it seems fine to break "Generalized patent val" out to its own page. Can you think of any reason not to do so? --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 17:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		:: Well, it seems fine to break "Generalized patent val" out to its own page. Can you think of any reason not to do so? --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 17:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			::: I don't know. For fear of fragmentation? The two concepts are so closely related that it seems favorable to bundle them together. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 21:34, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: /* Page is only about GPVs? */ typo

2021-11-08T17:55:08Z

Page is only about GPVs?: typo

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	:: Good point. Yes, we shouldn't have a "[Topic]/[Subtopic]" page when the "[Topic]" page doesn't exist.		:: Good point. Yes, we shouldn't have a "[Topic]/[Subtopic]" page when the "[Topic]" page doesn't exist.

	:: Well, it seems ~~like a~~ fine to break "Generalized patent val" out to its own page. Can you think of any reason not to do so? --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 17:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		:: Well, it seems fine to break "Generalized patent val" out to its own page. Can you think of any reason not to do so? --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 17:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: /* Page is only about GPVs? */

2021-11-08T17:54:47Z

Page is only about GPVs?

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	: I'm not sure. There is not a distinct page for GPV. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		: I'm not sure. There is not a distinct page for GPV. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			:: Good point. Yes, we shouldn't have a "[Topic]/[Subtopic]" page when the "[Topic]" page doesn't exist.

			:: Well, it seems like a fine to break "Generalized patent val" out to its own page. Can you think of any reason not to do so? --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 17:54, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: /* page is only about GPVs? */ re

2021-11-08T10:13:07Z

page is only about GPVs?: re

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	:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)		:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

	= ~~page~~ is only about GPVs? =		= Page is only about GPVs? =

	Shouldn't this page actually be "Generalized patent val/Properties", since it's only about GPVs?		Shouldn't this page actually be "Generalized patent val/Properties", since it's only about GPVs?
	Back on the Patent val page, the link to this page should probably be moved accordingly as well (i.e. into the section for GPVs there).		Back on the Patent val page, the link to this page should probably be moved accordingly as well (i.e. into the section for GPVs there).
	--[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 05:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)		--[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 05:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

			: I'm not sure. There is not a distinct page for GPV. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:13, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin at 05:08, 8 November 2021

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	:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)		:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

			= page is only about GPVs? =

			Shouldn't this page actually be "Generalized patent val/Properties", since it's only about GPVs?
			Back on the Patent val page, the link to this page should probably be moved accordingly as well (i.e. into the section for GPVs there).
			--[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 05:08, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin at 20:17, 30 September 2021

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	: It's the consequence of the previous movement in the hope to hide mathy contents from normies. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 19:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)		: It's the consequence of the previous movement in the hope to hide mathy contents from normies. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 19:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

			:: Ah okay. That's commendable. I should have figured that out myself. Thanks --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 20:17, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

FloraC: re

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	In that case, the material here would simply be merged into that page too. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 18:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)		In that case, the material here would simply be merged into that page too. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin\|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin\|talk]]) 18:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

			: It's the consequence of the previous movement in the hope to hide mathy contents from normies. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 19:26, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Cmloegcmluin: Created page with "= consolidate page = I don't think this page makes sense to be separate from the other information on "generalized patent vals". On the discussion page for "patent val" (t..."

2021-09-30T18:59:36Z

Created page with "= consolidate page = I don't think this page makes sense to be separate from the other information on "generalized patent vals". On the discussion page for "patent val" (t..."

New page

= consolidate page =

I don't think this page makes sense to be separate from the other information on "generalized patent vals".

On the discussion page for "patent val" (the page where "generalized patent val" currently redirects), I am recommending that "generalized patent val" be renamed to "uniform map" and "patent val" be renamed to "integer uniform map" (or "nearest map"). The key point here is that I think it is better to think of the latter as specific types of the former, rather than the former being generalized types of the latter. If I convince others of my case, then the structure of that page would need to be inverted, and the main page would be about the concept formerly thought of as "generalized".

In that case, the material here would simply be merged into that page too. --[[User:Cmloegcmluin|Cmloegcmluin]] ([[User talk:Cmloegcmluin|talk]]) 18:59, 30 September 2021 (UTC)