Talk:Mavila - Revision history

Fredg999: /* Mavila for different edos, your welcome. */ Why is this on the talk page?

2023-12-21T23:30:53Z

Mavila for different edos, your welcome.: Why is this on the talk page?

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	Of course, there are endless versions of mavila, but you do you.		Of course, there are endless versions of mavila, but you do you.

			: This kind of content is best suited on the actual page, not on the talk page. Larger tables might be split onto subpages or in user pages, depending on how they're built, but this could be a useful resource for readers, who most likely will not visit the talk page searching for this.
			: By the way, don't forget to sign using <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 23:30, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

MTEVE: /* Mavila for different edos, your welcome. */ new section

2023-12-21T15:12:13Z

Mavila for different edos, your welcome.: new section

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	::: I realized that "inspired" probably wouldn't work here. I added a paragraph at the end of the first section (instead of the lead section, where it would be harder to summarize without the risk of being misleading), let me know if you think it could be misinterpreted as a two-way relationship. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 22:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)		::: I realized that "inspired" probably wouldn't work here. I added a paragraph at the end of the first section (instead of the lead section, where it would be harder to summarize without the risk of being misleading), let me know if you think it could be misinterpreted as a two-way relationship. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 22:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

			== Mavila for different edos, your welcome. ==

			7edo:1 1 1 1 1 1 1
			9edo:1 1 2 1 1 1 2
			11edo:1 1 3 1 1 1 3
			16edo:2 2 3 2 2 2 3
			23edo:3 3 4 3 3 3 4
			25edo:3 3 5 3 3 3 5
			30edo:4 4 5 4 4 4 5
			37edo:5 5 6 5 5 5 6
			39edo:5 5 7 5 5 5 7


			Of course, there are endless versions of mavila, but you do you.

FloraC: FloraC moved page Talk:Mavila temperament to Talk:Mavila: In favor of disambiguation hatnote

2023-09-22T06:00:34Z

FloraC moved page Talk:Mavila temperament to Talk:Mavila: In favor of disambiguation hatnote

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Fredg999: /* Relation to pelog */ reply

2023-01-11T22:03:10Z

Relation to pelog: reply

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	:: That sounds good. I'm cool with a rephrase that makes it clear that the relationship is a one-way street. If possible, it would be good to clarify which region of Indonesia (Java, Bali, etc.) since I believe the tunings are pretty distinct despite the reuse of the terms slendro and pelog. [[User:A\|A]] ([[User talk:A\|talk]]) 06:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)		:: That sounds good. I'm cool with a rephrase that makes it clear that the relationship is a one-way street. If possible, it would be good to clarify which region of Indonesia (Java, Bali, etc.) since I believe the tunings are pretty distinct despite the reuse of the terms slendro and pelog. [[User:A\|A]] ([[User talk:A\|talk]]) 06:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

			::: I realized that "inspired" probably wouldn't work here. I added a paragraph at the end of the first section (instead of the lead section, where it would be harder to summarize without the risk of being misleading), let me know if you think it could be misinterpreted as a two-way relationship. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 22:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

A at 06:01, 11 January 2023

2023-01-11T06:01:48Z

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	: I would suggest rephrasing this sentence instead of removing it completely. For example, we could say that this temperament was ''inspired'' by the pelog scale — implying that the temperament does not attempt in any way to model the traditional pelog scale —, although I'd have to double-check to see if that's an accurate description of this temperament's history. Removing this sentence would only make it harder for readers to understand that, while the mathematical object is universal, its use in music has a cultural background that deserves to be presented clearly. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)		: I would suggest rephrasing this sentence instead of removing it completely. For example, we could say that this temperament was ''inspired'' by the pelog scale — implying that the temperament does not attempt in any way to model the traditional pelog scale —, although I'd have to double-check to see if that's an accurate description of this temperament's history. Removing this sentence would only make it harder for readers to understand that, while the mathematical object is universal, its use in music has a cultural background that deserves to be presented clearly. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

			:: That sounds good. I'm cool with a rephrase that makes it clear that the relationship is a one-way street. If possible, it would be good to clarify which region of Indonesia (Java, Bali, etc.) since I believe the tunings are pretty distinct despite the reuse of the terms slendro and pelog. [[User:A\|A]] ([[User talk:A\|talk]]) 06:01, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Fredg999: Added header + reply

2023-01-11T04:28:44Z

Added header + reply

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			== Relation to pelog ==
	:It is also closely related to the "pelog" scale in Indonesian and Balinese Gamelan music.		:It is also closely related to the "pelog" scale in Indonesian and Balinese Gamelan music.

	I removed this. One Javanese gamelan master I worked with has expressed to me his uneasiness with describing gamelan tuning in terms of mathematical concepts like EDOs, temperaments, JI intervals, etc. Generally, imposing Western theories on tunings that 1. predate the development of these theories by centuries and 2. have considerable regional variation is inaccurate and pareidolic. See [https://www.waunet.org/wcaa/archive/downloads/wcaa/dejalu/dejalu10/SOJOURN.pdf "Competing Epistemologies of Tuning, Intonation and Melody in the Performance of Thai Classical Music on Non-Fixed-Pitch Instruments"]. [[User:A\|A]] ([[User talk:A\|talk]]) 19:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)		I removed this. One Javanese gamelan master I worked with has expressed to me his uneasiness with describing gamelan tuning in terms of mathematical concepts like EDOs, temperaments, JI intervals, etc. Generally, imposing Western theories on tunings that 1. predate the development of these theories by centuries and 2. have considerable regional variation is inaccurate and pareidolic. See [https://www.waunet.org/wcaa/archive/downloads/wcaa/dejalu/dejalu10/SOJOURN.pdf "Competing Epistemologies of Tuning, Intonation and Melody in the Performance of Thai Classical Music on Non-Fixed-Pitch Instruments"]. [[User:A\|A]] ([[User talk:A\|talk]]) 19:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

			: I would suggest rephrasing this sentence instead of removing it completely. For example, we could say that this temperament was ''inspired'' by the pelog scale — implying that the temperament does not attempt in any way to model the traditional pelog scale —, although I'd have to double-check to see if that's an accurate description of this temperament's history. Removing this sentence would only make it harder for readers to understand that, while the mathematical object is universal, its use in music has a cultural background that deserves to be presented clearly. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

A: Created page with ":It is also closely related to the "pelog" scale in Indonesian and Balinese Gamelan music. I removed this. One Javanese gamelan master I worked with has expressed to me his..."

2023-01-10T19:34:48Z

Created page with ":It is also closely related to the "pelog" scale in Indonesian and Balinese Gamelan music. I removed this. One Javanese gamelan master I worked with has expressed to me his..."

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:It is also closely related to the "pelog" scale in Indonesian and Balinese Gamelan music.

I removed this. One Javanese gamelan master I worked with has expressed to me his uneasiness with describing gamelan tuning in terms of mathematical concepts like EDOs, temperaments, JI intervals, etc. Generally, imposing Western theories on tunings that 1. predate the development of these theories by centuries and 2. have considerable regional variation is inaccurate and pareidolic. See [https://www.waunet.org/wcaa/archive/downloads/wcaa/dejalu/dejalu10/SOJOURN.pdf "Competing Epistemologies of Tuning, Intonation and Melody in the Performance of Thai Classical Music on Non-Fixed-Pitch Instruments"]. [[User:A|A]] ([[User talk:A|talk]]) 19:34, 10 January 2023 (UTC)