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		<title>Cmloegcmluin at 04:43, 31 December 2021</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;- [[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 22:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;- [[User:Sintel|Sintel]] ([[User talk:Sintel|talk]]) 22:11, 30 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Sintel: some notes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;some notes&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;== Some notes ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It should be noted that over the integer ring (&amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbb{Z}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;), the only actual equivalent of the echelon form is the HNF. RREF is also useful when you extend your ring to a field &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbb{Q}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt; or &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbb{R}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;. (Which is sometimes done in the context of generator optimization or deriving projection matrices.) I don&amp;#039;t really see the point of the other ones listed here.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, these forms can be thought of more generally as a &amp;#039;&amp;#039;decompositions&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, into two or more matrices. For example the HNF of a gives A = U*T, where T is in the HNF form of A and U is unimodular. This view also shows the usefulness of the SNF. The SNF itself seems useless but its actually a decomposition into A = L*D*R, where D is diagonal and L, R unimodular. This is extremely useful when trying to solve systems of equations in &amp;lt;math&amp;gt;\mathbb{Z}&amp;lt;/math&amp;gt;. (You can use it to calculate [[transversal generators|&amp;quot;transversals&amp;quot;]] for example.)&lt;br /&gt;
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