Talk:Map of linear temperaments - Revision history

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */

2025-10-21T04:13:16Z

Splitting the table in four

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	:::: I've prepared this to help, for whenever you wish to review the details. In the mean time I'll also keep chipping away at the page, mostly addressing the issues I found in here: [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Map of linear temperaments page health survey]]		:::: I've prepared this to help, for whenever you wish to review the details. In the mean time I'll also keep chipping away at the page, mostly addressing the issues I found in here:

			:::: '''[[User:BudjarnLambeth/Map of linear temperaments page health survey]]'''

	:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 04:12, 21 October 2025 (UTC)		:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 04:12, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */ Shared a survey of issues w the page

2025-10-21T04:12:57Z

Splitting the table in four: Shared a survey of issues w the page

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	::: [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 12:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		::: [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 12:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	:::: Thank you, the explanation you added to the page is good :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 22:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		:::: Thank you, the explanation you added to the page is good :)

			:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 22:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

			:::: I've prepared this to help, for whenever you wish to review the details. In the mean time I'll also keep chipping away at the page, mostly addressing the issues I found in here: [[User:BudjarnLambeth/Map of linear temperaments page health survey]]

			:::: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 04:12, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

	== ''Frost'' ==		== ''Frost'' ==

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */ said thanks for the addition

2025-10-20T22:32:48Z

Splitting the table in four: said thanks for the addition

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			:::: Thank you, the explanation you added to the page is good :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 22:32, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	== ''Frost'' ==		== ''Frost'' ==

FloraC: Re

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	:: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 11:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		:: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 11:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

			::: Yes, we need to review the details at some point.

			::: For now I just added a note on the split.

			::: [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 12:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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	: I get it now. Gordon named frost, not me, but I did encourage him to come up with ''a'' name, and I was very encouraging of "frost" as a name when he came up with it (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). Before I did, I did search the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I get it now. Gordon named frost, not me, but I did encourage him to come up with ''a'' name, and I was very encouraging of "frost" as a name when he came up with it (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). Before I did, I did search the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

			:: Right. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 12:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */

2025-10-20T11:18:33Z

Splitting the table in four

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	:: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reason multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC).		:: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reason multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC).

	:: I don't think the subheadings are likely to introduce any bias - it's not like I said "150-300c is the best range, all the others smell!", I don't think there's anything that would lead a reader to preference one over another. And the dividing lines don't cut any temperaments in half so no bias is introduced in that way either (if it did cut any in half, then those ones would look "less important", but it didn't do we're good).		:: I don't think the subheadings are likely to introduce any bias - it's not like I said "150-300c is the best range, all the others smell!", I don't think there's anything that would lead a reader to preference one over another. And the dividing lines don't cut any temperaments in half so no bias is introduced in that way either (if it did cut any in half, then those ones would look "less important", but it didn't so we're good).

	:: So I see no cause for concern of introducing bias there.		:: So I see no cause for concern of introducing bias there.

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */

2025-10-20T11:16:39Z

Splitting the table in four

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	What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	:: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The ~~reasons~~ multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC).		:: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reason multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC).

	:: I don't think the subheadings are likely to introduce any bias - it's not like I said "150-300c is the best range, all the others smell!", I don't think there's anything that would lead a reader to preference one over another. And the dividing lines don't cut any temperaments in half so no bias is introduced in that way either (if it did cut any in half, then those ones would look "less important", but it didn't do we're good).		:: I don't think the subheadings are likely to introduce any bias - it's not like I said "150-300c is the best range, all the others smell!", I don't think there's anything that would lead a reader to preference one over another. And the dividing lines don't cut any temperaments in half so no bias is introduced in that way either (if it did cut any in half, then those ones would look "less important", but it didn't do we're good).

BudjarnLambeth: /* Frost */

2025-10-20T11:10:43Z

Frost

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	: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	: I get it now. Gordon ~~Wery~~ named frost, not me, but I was very encouraging of ~~the~~ name (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). I ~~searched~~ the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I get it now. Gordon named frost, not me, but I did encourage him to come up with ''a'' name, and I was very encouraging of "frost" as a name when he came up with it (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). Before I did, I did search the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: Long reply about bias

2025-10-20T11:08:13Z

Long reply about bias

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	What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reasons multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		:: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reasons multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC).

			:: I don't think the subheadings are likely to introduce any bias - it's not like I said "150-300c is the best range, all the others smell!", I don't think there's anything that would lead a reader to preference one over another. And the dividing lines don't cut any temperaments in half so no bias is introduced in that way either (if it did cut any in half, then those ones would look "less important", but it didn't do we're good).

			:: So I see no cause for concern of introducing bias there.

			:: What I ''am'' concerned about in terms of bias is some temperaments being given many fewer example tunings (fewer rows) than other equally important temperaments. Of course some temperaments are much more notable than others, so it's normal for them to have more rows. Anything from 'Middle Path' should have lots of rows for example. But what I'm talking about is two similarly notable temperaments where one has way more rows than others. That introduces bias by making it look more impressive. I'm gradually working on fixing that. In a recent edit I reduced the number of rows for porcupine to be more in line with similar notability temperaments like tetracot or Superpyth.

			:: What I'm also concerned about is which tunings get listed at all in the first place, as that's also a source of bias. The page description, which was here long before I was, says ''every'' linear temperament should appear on this page. That's not possible of course but I like it as an ideal to strive towards. We should just add (within reason) as much as we can. Eventually I'd like to add every temperament from the 3 Middle Path table pages and every temperament from [[Survey of efficient temperaments by subgroup]] to this table. I think excluding any of those is a form of bias, and once they're all added the bias will be less, as only niche tunings will be missing.

			:: --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 11:08, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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	: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	: I get it now. Gordon Wery named frost, not me, but I ~~did say I approve~~ of the name (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). I searched the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I get it now. Gordon Wery named frost, not me, but I was very encouraging of the name (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). I searched the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: /* Frost */ reply again

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Frost: reply again

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	: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		: I don't really understand what this means, sorry. I took my quetiapine a couple minutes ago so my brain is very foggy. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:42, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

			: I get it now. Gordon Wery named frost, not me, but I did say I approve of the name (see the 343edo thread in the forum channel of the XA Discord). I searched the wiki for "frost" and there were no results that seemed to indicate it was taken so I gave the go ahead. Maybe it can be renamed to "frosted", "frosty", etc. Talk to Gordon and whatever he says, do that. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: /* Splitting the table in four */

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Splitting the table in four

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	What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)		What's the basis of this split? I'm afraid it introduces bias. [[User:FloraC\|FloraC]] ([[User talk:FloraC\|talk]]) 10:36, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

	: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reasons multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament		: The split was because it was difficult both read and edit the huge uninterrupted wall of table. The reasons multiples of 150c were chosen is because they are the only spots which have nice round numbers which aren't in the middle of any of the temperaments already listed (eg not breaking porcupine or tetracot or any other temperament in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
	in half). Multiples of 200c would work too, but I went with 150c because that means each section is shorter thus more readable. But the choices were 150s or 200s. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 10:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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