Talk:Main Page/Revision proposals - Revision history

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	~~== Revision proposal by Sintel ==~~		#REDIRECT [[Talk:Main Page]]
	As the new staff on the wiki, we plan to propound edits to the main page (since much of its content and linkage is rather obsolete at this point) on a basis established by community consensus. This page should be the place to discuss proposed revisions, suggested by admins and non-admins. New proposals will be published on the [[~~Xenharmonic Wiki~~:~~Daily newsfeed\|daily newsfeed]], once that page is established, as well.~~

	~~To that end, Sintel has suggested two preliminary changes:~~

	* Remove the link to Migration FAQ (unnecessary at this point, 7 years after the migration from Wikispaces).
	* Remove the link to the Xenrhythm Wiki (no reason specified).

	~~I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 10:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)~~

	~~== Revision proposal by Lériendil ==~~
	~~Following the creation of the daily newsfeed, I would like to see the newsfeed itself linked on the main page as a source for updates on what's happening on the wiki (and broader community).~~

	~~I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)~~

	~~== Revision proposal by Sevish ==~~
	See [[User:Sevish/Welcome to the Xenharmonic Wiki]]. It was posted by [[User:Sevish]] in 2022. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

	~~== Revision proposal by fredg999 ==~~
	~~I think we should mostly follow Sevish's proposal, which includes Sintel's proposal. I'll add some more ideas that could be merged into it:~~
	* I suggest adding internal links on the keywords of the lead section, namely "theory" (to [[General theory]]), "math" (to [[Mathematical theory]]) and "practice" (to [[Practice]]). Since we don't have two separate pages for "musical tuning" and "tuning system", we don't need to add a link on "tuning system".
	* I think we should link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:About]] instead of [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction]] in the lead section. Now that may sound silly, since the former redirects to the latter at the moment, but here's my point: the former should be a page for visitors, while the latter should be a page for users (editors). Actually, the latter might as well be replaced with [[Help:Help]], which in turn we might want to rename to "Help:Introduction" (in line with the corresponding Wikipedia page).
	* Seeing as the name of the website is "Xenharmonic Wiki", yet its topic is "musical tuning", we might want to give the readers some more hints to learn about the distinction between key concepts/terms such as "alternative tuning", "microtonal" and "xenharmonic".
	* The [[:File:Pts-2-3-5-e2-twtop-tlin.jpg\|projective tuning space image]] is a classic, but I'm never sure if we should do something more with it: add a caption, add more than just one image (it might be perceived as too RTT-leaning), etc. A random image of the day might be funny, although we might end up with microtonal accidentals every other day!
	* The sentence about the library mentions "electronically-available published works", but many of the links are actually pointing to library websites that help readers identify where they can find the book or document. We might want to remove "electronically-available", since the library covers more than just those.
	* Some links need updating, such as [[Useful Tools]] (merged into [[List of music software]]) and [[Microtonal instruments]] (moved to [[Instruments]]).
	* In the last section, the words "sign up" should lead to [[Help:How to Get Your Xenwiki Account]].
	* We should also keep the last paragraph to a minimum, with only the link to the main help page but without enumerating the stuff that should be listed on that page anyway.

	I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

	~~: I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)~~

	~~== 2025-04-08 update ==~~

	~~I updated the~~ Main Page ~~on April 6th and did another (smaller) edit on April 8th, but I did not apply all of the proposed changes yet. Here are the remaining changes:~~
	* Replace link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction]] with link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:About]] in the lead section;
	** This will require work on the About page beforehand.
	* Add/change/vary images (instead of having only the classic [[PTS]]).
	** I haven't progressed on this idea, but I don't want to force it either. It's not critical anyway.

	More discussions are ongoing on Discord, namely regarding the difference between the main page and the sidebar, as well as concentrating work on the pages linked on the main page to make sure the links are generally useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

	~~== Revision proposal by hkm ==~~

	~~[[List of xenharmonic music by community ratings~~]] ~~is ready to be linked on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.~~

Hkm: /* Revision proposal by hkm */

2025-04-10T19:46:50Z

Revision proposal by hkm

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	== Revision proposal by hkm ==		== Revision proposal by hkm ==

	[[List of xenharmonic music by community ratings]] is ready to be ~~placed~~ on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.		[[List of xenharmonic music by community ratings]] is ready to be linked on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.

Hkm: /* Revision proposal by hkm */

2025-04-10T07:11:24Z

Revision proposal by hkm

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	== Revision proposal by hkm ==		== Revision proposal by hkm ==

	~~https://en.xen.wiki/w/List_of_xenharmonic_music_by_community_ratings~~ is ready to be placed on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.		[[List of xenharmonic music by community ratings]] is ready to be placed on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.

Hkm: /* Revision proposal by hkm */ new section

2025-04-10T07:11:04Z

Revision proposal by hkm: new section

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	More discussions are ongoing on Discord, namely regarding the difference between the main page and the sidebar, as well as concentrating work on the pages linked on the main page to make sure the links are generally useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)		More discussions are ongoing on Discord, namely regarding the difference between the main page and the sidebar, as well as concentrating work on the pages linked on the main page to make sure the links are generally useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

			== Revision proposal by hkm ==

			https://en.xen.wiki/w/List_of_xenharmonic_music_by_community_ratings is ready to be placed on the main page. It is more useful than the Listen page for discovering music already, and it will grow in usefulness faster if more people see it.

Fredg999: /* 2025-04-08 update */ new section

2025-04-08T04:28:00Z

2025-04-08 update: new section

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	: I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)		: I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

			== 2025-04-08 update ==

			I updated the Main Page on April 6th and did another (smaller) edit on April 8th, but I did not apply all of the proposed changes yet. Here are the remaining changes:
			* Replace link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction]] with link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:About]] in the lead section;
			** This will require work on the About page beforehand.
			* Add/change/vary images (instead of having only the classic [[PTS]]).
			** I haven't progressed on this idea, but I don't want to force it either. It's not critical anyway.

			More discussions are ongoing on Discord, namely regarding the difference between the main page and the sidebar, as well as concentrating work on the pages linked on the main page to make sure the links are generally useful. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 04:28, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

Lériendil at 12:51, 24 February 2025

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	I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)		I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

	- I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)		: I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Lériendil: /* Revision proposal by fredg999 */

2025-02-24T12:50:26Z

Revision proposal by fredg999

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	I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)		I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

			- I agree to all the bulleted changes. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 12:50, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Fredg999: Add my revision proposal

2025-02-18T03:23:23Z

Add my revision proposal

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	== Revision proposal by Sevish ==		== Revision proposal by Sevish ==
	See [[User:Sevish/Welcome to the Xenharmonic Wiki]]. It was posted by [[User:Sevish]] in 2022. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)		See [[User:Sevish/Welcome to the Xenharmonic Wiki]]. It was posted by [[User:Sevish]] in 2022. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

			== Revision proposal by fredg999 ==
			I think we should mostly follow Sevish's proposal, which includes Sintel's proposal. I'll add some more ideas that could be merged into it:
			* I suggest adding internal links on the keywords of the lead section, namely "theory" (to [[General theory]]), "math" (to [[Mathematical theory]]) and "practice" (to [[Practice]]). Since we don't have two separate pages for "musical tuning" and "tuning system", we don't need to add a link on "tuning system".
			* I think we should link to [[Xenharmonic Wiki:About]] instead of [[Xenharmonic Wiki:Introduction]] in the lead section. Now that may sound silly, since the former redirects to the latter at the moment, but here's my point: the former should be a page for visitors, while the latter should be a page for users (editors). Actually, the latter might as well be replaced with [[Help:Help]], which in turn we might want to rename to "Help:Introduction" (in line with the corresponding Wikipedia page).
			* Seeing as the name of the website is "Xenharmonic Wiki", yet its topic is "musical tuning", we might want to give the readers some more hints to learn about the distinction between key concepts/terms such as "alternative tuning", "microtonal" and "xenharmonic".
			* The [[:File:Pts-2-3-5-e2-twtop-tlin.jpg\|projective tuning space image]] is a classic, but I'm never sure if we should do something more with it: add a caption, add more than just one image (it might be perceived as too RTT-leaning), etc. A random image of the day might be funny, although we might end up with microtonal accidentals every other day!
			* The sentence about the library mentions "electronically-available published works", but many of the links are actually pointing to library websites that help readers identify where they can find the book or document. We might want to remove "electronically-available", since the library covers more than just those.
			* Some links need updating, such as [[Useful Tools]] (merged into [[List of music software]]) and [[Microtonal instruments]] (moved to [[Instruments]]).
			* In the last section, the words "sign up" should lead to [[Help:How to Get Your Xenwiki Account]].
			* We should also keep the last paragraph to a minimum, with only the link to the main help page but without enumerating the stuff that should be listed on that page anyway.

			I'm not yet convinced by the idea of the daily newsfeed, but it certainly has potential. I would suggest deploying that at a later time and implement simpler changes first. --[[User:Fredg999\|Fredg999]] ([[User talk:Fredg999\|talk]]) 03:23, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: Added Sevish’s proposal

2025-02-18T01:25:13Z

Added Sevish’s proposal

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	I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			== Revision proposal by Sevish ==
			See [[User:Sevish/Welcome to the Xenharmonic Wiki]]. It was posted by [[User:Sevish]] in 2022. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 01:25, 18 February 2025 (UTC)

Lériendil at 11:11, 17 February 2025

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	I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 10:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)		I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 10:02, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

			== Revision proposal by Lériendil ==
			Following the creation of the daily newsfeed, I would like to see the newsfeed itself linked on the main page as a source for updates on what's happening on the wiki (and broader community).

			I would like to see discussion about this proposal. [[User:Lériendil\|Lériendil]] ([[User talk:Lériendil\|talk]]) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)