Talk:Kartvelian scales - Revision history

BudjarnLambeth at 05:59, 19 April 2023

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	:I agree. I ~~think splitting them~~ into ~~different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a~~ page ~~about a scale family~~, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so yourself, feel free to go ahead and do it, I’m happy either way :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		:I agree. I've merged the pages into this page, and separated each of the scales into their own separate subheadings. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 05:59, 19 April 2023 (UTC)


	~~:I think what I may actually do is merge them all into the Kartvelian~~ scales ~~article. I will format the article something like this:~~

	~~<pre>~~
	The '''Kartvelian scales''' generalize the [[wikipedia:Music_of_Georgia_(country)#Scales_and_tuning_system\|traditional scale of Georgian folk music]] to divide the perfect [[Ed4/3\|fourth]] and [[EDF\|fifth]] into arbitrary numbers of equal steps. This scale, called “untempered” on Wikipedia, is more properly described as the first known [[well temperament]] in music history. The fifth, or conversely the fourth, will be an interval of the corresponding [[edo]] which may generate [[2L 3s]] or [[3L 2s]] and normally stands within one edo degree of 3/2.

	~~= Examples =~~

	~~== Kartvelian ditonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[1edf]] and [[1ed4/3]].~~
	*701.978
	*1200.000

	~~== Kartvelian tritonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[1ed4/3]].~~
	*350.978
	*701.955
	*1200.000

	~~== Kartvelian tetratonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[2ed4/3]].~~
	*350.978
	*701.955
	*950.978
	*1200.000

	~~== Kartvelian pentatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]. Approximates the [[Slendro]] scale.~~
	*233.985
	*467.970
	*701.955
	*950.978
	*1200.000

	~~== 3edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].~~
	*233.985
	*467.970
	*701.955
	*867.970
	*1033.985
	*1200.000

	~~== 4edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]].~~
	*175.489
	*350.978
	*526.466
	*701.955
	*950.979
	*1200.000

	~~== Traditional [[Kartvelian scale]] ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].~~
	*175.489
	*350.978
	*526.466
	*701.955
	*867.970
	~~1033.985~~
	*1200.000

	~~== 4edf Kartvelian octatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[4ed4/3]].~~
	*175.489
	*350.978
	*526.466
	*701.955
	*826.466
	*950.978
	*1075.489
	*1200.000

	~~== 5edf Kartvelian octatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[5edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].~~
	*140.391
	*280.782
	*421.173
	*561.564
	*701.955
	*867.970
	*1033.985
	*1200.000

	~~== 5edf Kartvelian enneatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[5edf]] and [[4ed4/3]]. Approximates the 9-tone [[Pelog]] scale.~~
	*140.391
	*280.872
	*421.173
	*561.564
	*701.955
	*826.466
	*950.978
	*1075.489
	*1200.000

	~~== 6edf Kartvelian enneatonic ==~~
	~~An alternating pattern of [[6edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].~~
	*116.993
	*233.985
	*350.978
	*467.970
	*584.963
	*701.955
	*867.970
	*1033.985
	*1200.000

	~~(And so on…)~~

	~~= See also =~~

	~~[[Category:Lists of scales]]~~
	~~[[Category:Scales by family]]~~
	~~</pre>~~

	:I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page. I will have to leave home for a few hours during this time so it's going to take me a while. I'll aim to get it done later today (Sydney time). --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 02:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth at 02:44, 19 April 2023

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	== Kartvelian ditonic ==		== Kartvelian ditonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[1edf]] and [[1ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[1edf]] and [[1ed4/3]].
	*701.978		*701.978
	*1200.000		*1200.000

	== Kartvelian tritonic ==		== Kartvelian tritonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[1ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[1ed4/3]].
	*350.978		*350.978
	*701.955		*701.955
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	== Kartvelian tetratonic ==		== Kartvelian tetratonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[2ed4/3]].
	*350.978		*350.978
	*701.955		*701.955
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	== Kartvelian pentatonic ==		== Kartvelian pentatonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]. Approximates the [[Slendro]] scale.
	*233.985		*233.985
	*467.970		*467.970
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	== 3edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==		== 3edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].
	*233.985		*233.985
	*467.970		*467.970
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	== 4edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==		== 4edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]].
	*175.489		*175.489
	*350.978		*350.978
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	*1200.000		*1200.000

	…		== Traditional [[Kartvelian scale]] ==
	(~~and~~ so on)		An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].
			*175.489
			*350.978
			*526.466
			*701.955
			*867.970
			1033.985
			*1200.000

			== 4edf Kartvelian octatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[4ed4/3]].
			*175.489
			*350.978
			*526.466
			*701.955
			*826.466
			*950.978
			*1075.489
			*1200.000

			== 5edf Kartvelian octatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[5edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].
			*140.391
			*280.782
			*421.173
			*561.564
			*701.955
			*867.970
			*1033.985
			*1200.000

			== 5edf Kartvelian enneatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[5edf]] and [[4ed4/3]]. Approximates the 9-tone [[Pelog]] scale.
			*140.391
			*280.872
			*421.173
			*561.564
			*701.955
			*826.466
			*950.978
			*1075.489
			*1200.000

			== 6edf Kartvelian enneatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[6edf]] and [[3ed4/3]].
			*116.993
			*233.985
			*350.978
			*467.970
			*584.963
			*701.955
			*867.970
			*1033.985
			*1200.000

			(And so on…)

	= See also =		= See also =

			[[Category:Lists of scales]]
			[[Category:Scales by family]]
	</pre>		</pre>

	:I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)		:I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page. I will have to leave home for a few hours during this time so it's going to take me a while. I'll aim to get it done later today (Sydney time). --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 02:44, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth at 02:33, 19 April 2023

2023-04-19T02:33:02Z

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	</pre>		</pre>

	I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page.		:I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 02:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth at 02:32, 19 April 2023

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	= See also =		= See also =
	</pre>		</pre>

			I've started work on this now. I'm writing it in a text file on my computer and then I'll copy-paste it in to the Kartvelian scales page once it's done. Then I'll change the individual pages to redirects to the main Kartvelian scales page.

BudjarnLambeth at 02:31, 19 April 2023

2023-04-19T02:31:25Z

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	*1200.000		*1200.000

	== 3edf Kartvelian ~~pentatonic~~ ==		== 3edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]]
	*233.985		*233.985
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	*1200.000		*1200.000

	== 4edf Kartvelian ~~pentatonic~~ ==		== 4edf Kartvelian hexatonic ==
	An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]		An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]
	*175.489		*175.489

BudjarnLambeth at 02:29, 19 April 2023

2023-04-19T02:29:39Z

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	:I agree. I think splitting them into different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a page about a scale family, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so yourself, feel free to go ahead and do it, I’m happy either way :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		:I agree. I think splitting them into different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a page about a scale family, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so yourself, feel free to go ahead and do it, I’m happy either way :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


			:I think what I may actually do is merge them all into the Kartvelian scales article. I will format the article something like this:

			<pre>
			The '''Kartvelian scales''' generalize the [[wikipedia:Music_of_Georgia_(country)#Scales_and_tuning_system\|traditional scale of Georgian folk music]] to divide the perfect [[Ed4/3\|fourth]] and [[EDF\|fifth]] into arbitrary numbers of equal steps. This scale, called “untempered” on Wikipedia, is more properly described as the first known [[well temperament]] in music history. The fifth, or conversely the fourth, will be an interval of the corresponding [[edo]] which may generate [[2L 3s]] or [[3L 2s]] and normally stands within one edo degree of 3/2.

			= Examples =

			== Kartvelian ditonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[1edf]] and [[1ed4/3]]
			*701.978
			*1200.000

			== Kartvelian tritonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[1ed4/3]]
			*350.978
			*701.955
			*1200.000

			== Kartvelian tetratonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[2edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]
			*350.978
			*701.955
			*950.978
			*1200.000

			== Kartvelian pentatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]
			*233.985
			*467.970
			*701.955
			*950.978
			*1200.000

			== 3edf Kartvelian pentatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[3edf]] and [[3ed4/3]]
			*233.985
			*467.970
			*701.955
			*867.970
			*1033.985
			*1200.000

			== 4edf Kartvelian pentatonic ==
			An alternating pattern of [[4edf]] and [[2ed4/3]]
			*175.489
			*350.978
			*526.466
			*701.955
			*950.979
			*1200.000

			…
			(and so on)

			= See also =
			</pre>

BudjarnLambeth at 23:51, 18 April 2023

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	:I agree. I think splitting them into different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a page about a scale family, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so, feel free to go ahead and do it, ~~I don’t mind~~ either way. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		:I agree. I think splitting them into different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a page about a scale family, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so yourself, feel free to go ahead and do it, I’m happy either way :) --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

BudjarnLambeth: Replied to good suggestion

2023-04-18T23:50:18Z

Replied to good suggestion

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	There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion, since they are definitely not the same scale.		There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion, since they are definitely not the same scale.
	[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

			:I agree. I think splitting them into different subheadings in the same article is a good idea. “Kartvelian Octatonic” can be a page about a scale family, and each of the subheadings can be a scale within that family, like "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian". Later today when I’ve had a bit more caffeine, I might go through all the Kartvelian pages and implement this. Although if you’d like to do so, feel free to go ahead and do it, I don’t mind either way. --[[User:BudjarnLambeth\|BudjarnLambeth]] ([[User talk:BudjarnLambeth\|talk]]) 23:50, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

CompactStar at 23:45, 18 April 2023

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	There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion.		There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion, since they are definitely not the same scale.
	[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

CompactStar at 23:44, 18 April 2023

2023-04-18T23:44:29Z

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	There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion~~. These cannot be uniquely described using their number of tones only~~.		There are many pages for these scales like [[Kartvelian Octatonic]] which describe two different tuning systems. These should be split into two seperate pages (for exmple for Kartvelian Octatonic, it would be split it into "4edf-4ed4/3 Kartvelian" and "5edf-3ed4/3 Kartvelian") or at least put in different sections in my opinion.
	[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)		[[User:CompactStar\|CompactStar]] ([[User talk:CompactStar\|talk]]) 23:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)